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Topic: Pluto vs Mars ruled person, how would they be different?
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plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 337 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted August 20, 2021 09:46 PM
Say you had someone with a lot of Mars aspects in their charts but not much pluto aspects and then someone without many mars aspects but a lot of pluto aspects.How would they differ? IP: Logged |
sashavittoria Knowflake Posts: 306 From: Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 20, 2021 10:24 PM
I think of it as hot passion (Mars) versus cold passion (Pluto)... Pluto plans the war but Mars leads the battle. The Mars person would fly off the handle more but the Pluto person would plot their revenge and come out on top in the end. Mars wins the battle but Pluto wins the war.IP: Logged |
Somna7H Knowflake Posts: 1729 From: East India Company Registered: Apr 2018
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posted August 21, 2021 02:08 AM
My Pluto have Aspects to each and every planet in my Chart. I'm very Calm person. I never had any revenge on anyone ye... 🤔------------------ My Chat : http://imgur.com/hCRDawD IP: Logged |
hearttreasure Knowflake Posts: 1227 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted August 21, 2021 05:17 AM
Mars, just do the actions, almost immediately to the target, focus on "ME" action, and keep going. People can see that. Pluto, observe, act chilled, until someone crosses them, focus on "YOU" action, and plotting (not always a revenge, whatever it is, they plot as they have observed you before). People don't and can't see that until the execution day. IP: Logged |
Pale Blue Eyes Knowflake Posts: 92 From: Whatever Forever Registered: Oct 2020
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posted August 21, 2021 08:52 AM
I have a ton of Pluto in my chart. I've been told I'm very calm and detached when confronted with problems. Never got into a physical fight, never acted on thoughts of revenge... I may think about hurting someone if they hurt me but never act on it. I think Mars is more physically pro-active than that. IP: Logged |
MoonMystic Knowflake Posts: 5983 From: ♏ Rising Registered: Nov 2016
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posted August 21, 2021 09:44 AM
@sashavittoria, Mars is more prominent for me though they both are powerful in my natal. I agree though on the "hot passionate". My Pluto is in Earth, slowing it down. Mars is ruled by Aries. I feel Mars strongly, as it is a natural home to it.
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GalacticCoreExplosionV2 Knowflake Posts: 855 From: Registered: Jul 2021
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posted August 21, 2021 03:08 PM
Mars is almost purely Yang polarized. Pluto has a Yin/Feminine side to it (like Scorpio). Pluto can be both faster and slower vibratory in nature than Mars, but really depends on a combo of the rest of the chart and freewill exercise. Pluto really needs help from the mid and fast vibratory symbols (especially Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcturus) to be simultaneously strong to express in more positive and fast vibratory ways. Color vibration/aura wise, strong Mars often correlates most with regular reds, and Pluto often correlates with a very, very deep reddish purple that is like an eggplant aubergine type color, but I've also sensed strong Pluto as very, very dark red like dark scarlets, crimsons, etc. When one sees or senses these kind of colors strong in the aura of person, especially if in the mental layer, then best to avoid these types as much as is possible (Keith Raniere for example would have a lot of those very dark red colors in his aura). These are the Plutonians that have "gone wrong" and have become near to fully sociopathic that I have mentioned on other threads. The other Plutonians are very different, and in transforming themselves in a powerful and positive way (often via very painful, deep crisis), tend to have that affect on others (or at least aspire to healing themselves at very deep levels). Strength/highlighting of planets is not just about number of aspects. Angularity, especially directly, and via strong aspects to Angle ruler(s) is the primary consideration for highlighting of planets. To really over simplify things (and I don't like overly equating Planets to Signs, because in many cases there are noticeable differences), Mars strong tends to be more like Aries strong but without the intellectual acuity and sharpness that is common with strong Aries, and strong Pluto is more like a Scorpio type vibe and flavor. (But keeping in mind that Scorpio is still very much co-ruled by Mars, and can be more active/charged in some ways than Pluto). IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 20246 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 21, 2021 03:20 PM
I’m ruled by both, I guess, and I don’t do revenge. There are times when I want answers, but they wouldn’t do anything to fix the damage done. IP: Logged |
Radium Knowflake Posts: 614 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted August 28, 2021 07:28 PM
I have a good bit of everything in my chart besides Venus (which blows). I'm Scorpio rising, pluto first house and it sextiles my Venus and squares my Sun.I have Mars in Leo, square ascendant, Mars conjunct MC and it tries Jupiter and opposes my moon and Mercury. I resonate slightly more with Pluto. Deep passion and cathartic action. I can get anything I want by just being myself. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 337 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted August 30, 2021 02:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearttreasure: Mars, just do the actions, almost immediately to the target, focus on "ME" action, and keep going. People can see that. Pluto, observe, act chilled, until someone crosses them, focus on "YOU" action, and plotting (not always a revenge, whatever it is, they plot as they have observed you before). People don't and can't see that until the execution day.
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PlutoWasHere Knowflake Posts: 222 From: The Nether World Registered: Mar 2021
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posted August 30, 2021 02:57 PM
To me Mars is all about action. It’s rash and likes to get its hands dirty. If Mars wants to take you down then it is only satisfied when it has its hands around your neck. Pluto is the strategist and knows what drives people. Pluto gets inside your head and will gently nudge people in the right direction until its goal is achieved. Pluto doesn’t get its hands dirty if it doesn’t need to and will gladly watch you burn from a distance.I’m probably more Pluto than Mars, but I have all the bad boys Angular. Pluto conjunct ASC, Mars conjunct Saturn in H10 with Mars as closest planet to the MC. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 148622 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2021 06:46 PM
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 20246 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2021 08:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoWasHere: To me Mars is all about action. It’s rash and likes to get its hands dirty. If Mars wants to take you down then it is only satisfied when it has its hands around your neck. Pluto is the strategist and knows what drives people. Pluto gets inside your head and will gently nudge people in the right direction until its goal is achieved. Pluto doesn’t get its hands dirty if it doesn’t need to and will gladly watch you burn from a distance.I’m probably more Pluto than Mars, but I have all the bad boys Angular. Pluto conjunct ASC, Mars conjunct Saturn in H10 with Mars as closest planet to the MC.
Getting a handle on what makes people tick, can make it easier to not judge where they're coming from. It can also make it easier to not let someone get to you. I remember someone trying to insult me, they were really trying to crush me, but they were doing it in a way that would crush *them*, not me. I actually felt bad for her. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 337 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted September 10, 2021 11:31 PM
Pluto touches every single planet on my chart, at least all of the inner ones.Im scared of myself. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 15106 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 11, 2021 12:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by plutonianmenace: Pluto touches every single planet on my chart, at least all of the inner ones.Im scared of myself.
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Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 4235 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 11, 2021 01:19 AM
Pluto ruled person (like myself) is more bold, intense and straightforward but not so much agressive.Mars ruled person is more agressive and but not so intense. Hope I make sense. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 15106 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 11, 2021 02:12 AM
Mars is bold and straightforward for sure.I guess mars pursues and takes action, is courage and what makes change possible but external changes. Healthy entitlement. Pluto is prone to extremes, all or nothing, hence the obsessiveness and addictive tendencies. Pluto wants to figure it out and break the negative cycle, goal is self awareness and self mastery, here the goal is internal changes. Personal growth, shadow work. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere Knowflake Posts: 222 From: The Nether World Registered: Mar 2021
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posted September 11, 2021 04:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Mars is bold and straightforward for sure.I guess mars pursues and takes action, is courage and what makes change possible but external changes. Healthy entitlement. Pluto is prone to extremes, all or nothing, hence the obsessiveness and addictive tendencies. Pluto wants to figure it out and break the negative cycle, goal is self awareness and self mastery, here the goal is internal changes. Personal growth, shadow work.
+1 Great reply Hypatia. I couldn’t agree more! This is crucial when it comes to Pluto. You can’t hide from Pluto. You need to own this part of yourself and do some deep digging into your psyche to get to the root of your issues. Only if you fully understand where your behavior comes from, then you will be able to grow and reach your potential.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 15106 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted September 11, 2021 10:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoWasHere: +1 Great reply Hypatia. I couldn’t agree more! This is crucial when it comes to Pluto. You can’t hide from Pluto. You need to own this part of yourself and do some deep digging into your psyche to get to the root of your issues. Only if you fully understand where your behavior comes from, then you will be able to grow and reach your potential.
Thanks Galactic 😁 IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 20246 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2021 07:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by plutonianmenace: Pluto touches every single planet on my chart, at least all of the inner ones.Im scared of myself.
Why? Pluto rules my chart, and I'm not scared of myself. I'm only a danger to myself, nobody else. And I haven't even followed through with that - not fully. Although I tried to. Why are you afraid of yourself? I mean, it's probably something to be discussed with someone you can talk to in person, but if this is a conclusion you've come to, through reading about it, that concerns me just as much. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 20246 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 16, 2021 08:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Thanks Galactic 😁
Wait, did I miss something? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 148622 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 25, 2021 12:15 PM
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plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 337 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted October 01, 2021 01:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by sashavittoria: I think of it as hot passion (Mars) versus cold passion (Pluto)... Pluto plans the war but Mars leads the battle. The Mars person would fly off the handle more but the Pluto person would plot their revenge and come out on top in the end. Mars wins the battle but Pluto wins the war.
wise wise words IP: Logged |
Eternal Energy Knowflake Posts: 861 From: Registered: May 2020
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posted October 01, 2021 02:33 PM
You see war whereas I only see Peace... You see hate whereas I only see Love... You see pain whereas I only see Forgiveness... You see loneliness whereas I only see Togetherness... You see darkness whereas all I see is Tombaugh Regio!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 148622 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 10, 2021 01:16 PM
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