posted August 28, 2021 05:03 AM            

I have:
Moon square Neptune
He has:
Moon conjunct Uranus
Moon square Venus and mean BML conjunction
Moon semi square Pluto

posted August 28, 2021 05:39 AM            

Her n. Uranus in her 6th hits my 8th house and cnj my DNA. I was told I wasn't wanted many times. It was a hard thing to hear as a child and adult too. She almost dumped me at an orphanage once. Idk but her mom might have taught her poor motherly lessons. My GMA beat me for crying too. These were not warm women. I try not to think back to these ordeals but they are part of who/why I am. I was always accused of wearing my heart on my sleeve. But the tragedies I lived through - tbh neither of them could had gone through what I did. It was awful and it went through my childhood. Scars.

I'll check for other synastry points that might shed light.

Her Moon opposite my Jupiter (chart ruler)
Uranus/Uranus square
Her Venus square my Chiron - refusing to accept the quality in me that could bring her unconditional love, a child gives a parent. I was a complete loyal kid though she hurt me over and over.
Her Pluto opposite my Moon and Venus.
Her Chiron aspects my Saturn.
Her Moon cnj my Saturn. * I often think we are a karmic mother/daughter. Maybe I deserve the heartache. Who knows.

Her Neptune does trin my Venus, Moon and Sun. Her tendency is to live outside reality. She's into escapism. Her idea of a daughter is probably the ones she finds in her tv shows and movies. The fantasy version. She's aware of me but her choice always was getting lost in made up families. Escaping hers.

posted August 28, 2021 03:10 PM            

I have had three mother figures abandon me. Two were very critical, one of whom was like yours, MoonMystic - alcoholic, but also violent. I have also had three father figures - one absent, one inconsistent, one violent. That is why I'm wondering if it's something reflected more in my natal chart than in synastry, though I do intend to look more closely at the synastry with these people.

What confuses me is I have a Moon/Venus conjunction (with Amor). However, Moon is in late Aries in the 10th house (Venus just barely in Taurus), so maybe it is the sign/house placement? My main "mother" was the violent alcoholic one, also the dominant parent, and we had vicious fights.

Here are some other aspects I think may contribute:
Moon square Neptune/Uranus conjunction in the 7th, but very wide (10-11'). My Mercury/Juno conjunction squares them more tightly.
Nothing from Saturn or Lilith to Moon, but those two and Ceres all square my Sun. Could this be "it"?
Chiron does square my Moon/Venus, but it's also wide (3-5')
Chiron is in Leo in the 1st
South Node is in Cancer in the 12th, I always thought that might signify the alcoholism. My sister's SN is also in the 12th but in Aries. (However, Gemini rules my 12th. Cancer is my Ascendant.)
Nemesis in Cancer H12 forms a grand trine with my Mars and Vertex.

posted August 29, 2021 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Also, my Libra 4th house is empty unless I seek out minor asteroids. Could this be it?

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House rulers are very important to get clues about that house in your chart, especially if the house is empty. Libra is ruled by Venus. What sign is your Venus in? And what planets aspect your Venus?

An empty house can become activated when there is an important transit through that house aspecting other planets. Currently my H4 is highlighted because transit Pluto in Capricorn is in my H4 opposite my H7 ruler Mars. There are no generational planets in Libra at the moment (Uranus in Taurus, Neptune in Pisces and Pluto in Capricorn) but personal planets transit H4 could still have impact if they aspect natal planets. However this would only be for a short time. What natal planets would be impacted if another planet would transit your H4? Maybe this gives some more clues about your H4.

posted August 29, 2021 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
Pluto and MoonMystic, I'm so sorry for what you've both gone through. I know how you feel, because obviously I was asking about this for a reason... I appreciate everyone's contributions and willingness to reflect on something so painful. MoonMystic, I hope you are okay and able to process things... it seems it takes us decades to do so and I'm not sure it will ever fully "go away".

I have had three mother figures abandon me. Two were very critical, one of whom was like yours, MoonMystic - alcoholic, but also violent. I have also had three father figures - one absent, one inconsistent, one violent. That is why I'm wondering if it's something reflected more in my natal chart than in synastry, though I do intend to look more closely at the synastry with these people.

What confuses me is I have a Moon/Venus conjunction (with Amor). However, Moon is in late Aries in the 10th house (Venus just barely in Taurus), so maybe it is the sign/house placement? My main "mother" was the violent alcoholic one, also the dominant parent, and we had vicious fights.

Here are some other aspects I think may contribute:
Moon square Neptune/Uranus conjunction in the 7th, but very wide (10-11'). My Mercury/Juno conjunction squares them more tightly.
Nothing from Saturn or Lilith to Moon, but those two and Ceres all square my Sun. Could this be "it"?
Chiron does square my Moon/Venus, but it's also wide (3-5')
Chiron is in Leo in the 1st
South Node is in Cancer in the 12th, I always thought that might signify the alcoholism. My sister's SN is also in the 12th but in Aries. (However, Gemini rules my 12th. Cancer is my Ascendant.)
Nemesis in Cancer H12 forms a grand trine with my Mars and Vertex.

Thoughts? I'm trying to think of celebrities with bad mother relationships whose charts I could look up for corroboration.

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I'm going to study your aspects when I get free. Kind of ping pong between here and elsewhere with some tasks there.
I'd say yes, the study of mother daughter relationships or those female types that had the feeling of "unwanted-ness".
I think of Marilyn Monroe there. But a public mother daughter relationship that was awfully toxic was Debbie Reynolds and Princess Leah - Carrie Fisher. Carrie even wrote a book on it. Post Cards from The Edge.

posted August 29, 2021 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Maybe Moon-Uranus aspects?
Moon-Saturn aspects?
Moon-Chiron aspects?
Chiron in 4th?
Chiron in Cancer?
Moon in 12th or 12th house Cancer?
Neptune-Moon aspects?

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Damn you are good. My chart is at the bottom but I was born on a full moon in gemini. A December full moon is called a cold moon which could describe my mother and my relationship. Moon is in the 12th house, conjunct retro chiron (I mention that because eeeverything else in my chart. (Besidea the nodes) but all the planets, Lilith, & the 4 other main asteroids are direct. So it's retrograde motion feels significant to me.
It's basically like hmm how can we make her already ****** moon even more ****** ? Retro chiron? What a brilliant idea! That outta have her cursing the day she was born! Mwahaha" idk who is saying that but someone must be.

This conjunction is opposite my Sagittarius sun, uranus & saturn in the 6th. It squares my jupiter/mars conjunction in 9th house pisces. It squares the pisces MH & s/m midpoint as well as my virgo IC & s/m midpoint (different sources place it either in virgo or pisces or both since it's a full moon.)

My ascendant is in cancer too so my chart is ruled by this maniac.

posted August 30, 2021 08:54 PM            

I think the mother is signified by the moon. When it is stressed natally by Neptune, Uranus, Pluto or Saturn, things will not be good...

I once knew someone, the rare times her mom came to take her out as the dad had sole custody, the mom will be with her in the subway car, and acting normal, and right before the door will close, the mother will suddenly got out, letting the doors close in the face of her daughter who was not even a teen at the time.

She had to find her way home, in the scary subway system of new york city, remember this was before the days of cell phones. She could have been raped, kidnapped, assaulted. That was truly evil behavior and I wish they had arrested the mother for putting her underage daughter in danger.

posted August 30, 2021 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
It always saddens me to read stories of what mothers did to their children...

I think the mother is signified by the moon. When it is stressed natally by Neptune, Uranus, Pluto or Saturn, things will not be good...

I once knew someone, the rare times her mom came to take her out as the dad had sole custody, the mom will be with her in the subway car, and acting normal, and right before the door will close, the mother will suddenly got out, letting the doors close in the face of her daughter who was not even a teen at the time.

She had to find her way home, in the scary subway system of new york city, remember this was before the days of cell phones. She could have been raped, kidnapped, assaulted. That was truly evil behavior and I wish they had arrested the mother for putting her underage daughter in danger.

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Wtf did I just read? That is beyond cruel. Was she mentally ill or did she just do that for fun?

I was in rehab back in 2011. Everyone was required to sit in front of the group and tell our story. Surprisingly these weren't feel good stories. There were some ****** up stories but none that I can really remember. Mine was definitely one of the milder ones.

By far the worst one was this girl, very pretty & tall. She had 6 sisters and told me how her father had raped all of them for years. Their mother knew and didn't do anything about it. The way she described it sounded like her mom was angry at her daughters if they ever bothered her about it. I don't think all of the sisters were aware that he was doing this to all of them. Idk..the details are foggy. I know she kept it to herself for awhile. She said once her and 1 of her sisters were fighting and her sister yells something like "do you know what it is like to be ****** by your dad!?!?" -a sequence of words that nobody should ever need to say. She yells back something like "I do! He ***** me all the time" you could just feel the shift in energy among the group when she was talking about this part of her journey. It was painful enough to even listen to. She wasn't balling her eyes out. She was still in a composed mindset but there was no shortage of tears. That took alot of strength and courage to share this with us. The fact that this...I can't say man. Calling him an animal is an insult. Demonic creature is putting it very mildly. The...thing that brought them into this world is no better. He should never be allowed to see the light of day again and neither should she. I think the only reason he wasn't in prison was because he had been doing this for years and was able to keep them in his control. The fact that their demon of a mother didn't care probably made them feel like they had no one that cared about them. Her annoyance with their cries for help probably made them think on some level...I really don't know how to finish that sentence. Their sole mission was to gtfo of that house asap. They weren't united either. It was pretty much every girl for themselves. I can't judge in the slightest because I can't even imagine that level of depravity. I pray that these women at least find their way back to one another and stick together. I really hope those 2 are locked up but sadly I doubt they are.

posted August 31, 2021 03:18 PM            

My father has almost all his personal planets in Libra, so he lights up my 4th house. Any transits to my 4th house will trine my Saturn and Lilith, square my nodal axis, and oppose my moon, Mercury, and Juno.

I also just realized that NESSUS is in my 4th - could this be it? Nessus sounds scary... https://foreverconscious.com/nessus-the-asteroid-of-ancestral-healing Lotis is also in my 4th.

Thank you MoonMystic!

Veronica, I am also a Cancer ascendant so also ruled by moon. Maybe this contributes to the strong influence. That story is awful too. It would be very interesting to get ahold of their charts... I think a lot of times our culture propagates the idea that women are good and men are evil, and that women stick together and mothers are always nurturing and protective and nonviolent, but this is simply not the case. We truly are equal... in all ways, sometimes unfortunately.

posted September 10, 2021 10:15 PM            

Harsh Moon aspects to Saturn, Pluto, Mars and even Uranus.

For a quick example I have Moon in the 10th opposite Lilith in the 4th, my mother is present but has never loved or protected me or cared for me, I am amazed she even looks at me.

Also synastry is important if you want to look beyond your own chart.

Another quick example, my Sun is conjunct her Pluto. I was unwanted and basically like a leech on her life in her eyes which is definitely Pluto territory. Where as my younger sister is her gift from god, they have Sun/Ascendant and Venus/Moon conjunctions.