posted September 10, 2021 12:22 AM            

I truly see two Americas here.

On one hand you have the elite corporations, NGOs, Hollywood, Big Tech, mainstream media, and the politicians that work for them.

On the other hand, you have the small town folks, the "conspiracy theorists", the "Alt right", and Americans who see past that facade.

At some point in 2023, Pluto goes into Aquarius which is supposed to give Power To The People:

https://astrobutterfly.com/2021/06/30/pluto-in-aquarius-2023-2044-power-to-the-people/

I hear 2021 and 2022 are going to be tough years as the people slowly have more and more freedoms taken away. With what I see of Pluto in Aquarius, I wonder if it Is supposed to point to the true will of the people coming through.

My thoughts are that it is likely that more and more Americans wake up and realize that those crazy conspiracy theorists were not so wrong after all. I feel as if Americans become aware of what is going on and push back but perhaps in somewhat of a peaceful way. I think of the whole Gamestop situation and how it was a blowback against big banks. Perhaps what some call malicious compliance.

The optimist in me says that the Pluto return for the US is forcing the hand of its people not against their politicians per se but special interest, big banks, big tech, big media, and big corporations who control the power behind the scenes. Maybe a new age is to rise where the people take the power back against these entities and become to a degree, independent from them, potentially bankrupting them.

posted September 10, 2021 12:26 AM            

What I have found odd is how corporations have switched from supporting Republicans to now taking on a social justice attitude to support Liberal politicians. Yet, somehow, the Liberal sees themselves as being for the little guy while allying with big corporations. I think it happened in the time of Obama but we never knew about it until Trump lifted up and exposed a lot of things.

posted September 10, 2021 11:58 AM            

Pluto is a planet of supercharged power as we know it, like Mars to the 1000x power.

Pluto is also a planet of transformation.

There is a huge transformation happening rigbt now in the power structure of the US and of the world.

Me personally, I think it is simplistic to think the big corporations are winning. They may make more money and seem to have more power in our lives, and that's the outward aspect of Pluto, but underneath the foundation of it all, the part beneath the earth where Pluto truly does its work, they are being undermined by the awakening of people globally, not just in the US.

The fact that with EVEN with the daily legacy media machine propaganda of fear, the daily threats of job loss for the unvaxxed, the daily bullying of the unvaxxed, the covid passports, the shaming and othering of the unvaxxed, we STILL have a consistent part of the population that will not submit to the Bow Down Beeches agenda, tells you that the human spirit is far greater than those who seek to destroy it can understand.

Pluto is one planet that brings down the worst and the best in people.

posted September 10, 2021 12:19 PM              

See my last reply on the first page and my first reply on the 2nd page. Explains everything about what is going to happen. These events have been scheduled by the Creative Forces. The only thing up in the air now is the exact, specific when; that is still somewhat up in the air.

posted September 10, 2021 01:15 PM            

It is like the underbelly in a way that the Establishments wants to ignore and I'd even say a decent number of Americans are labeling as "conspiracy theorists" but it is growing in the size of its support by a great margin.

Pluto is about truth so it is as if the Establishment is trying to create their own narrative and suppress the truth by having media call things conspiracy theories but slowly, a good number of people are starting to wake up. I'd be interested to see how it all plays out but at the same time, there are more mainstream sites where it would seem that the Establishment's loyalists in the American population are trying to fight for them.

I see this sense of despair and almost desperation is trying to hold on to what you want to be true such as how the government has your best interest at heart and the world is this fair and just place but at some point, it feels as if you know your side isn't right even though you are hoping they are.

Pluto rules the underworld so I am start to suspect that maybe it is the Parlers and more conspiracy theory sites away from the mainstream who know what is going on and slowly, their truth is seeing the light. Perhaps it was about more than just a virus and more about compliance, who knows. The truth may slowly become too much for even mainstream media to ignore and as long as it is given an audience, it will keep on growing in support.

Slowly, I feel like people are waking up to being lied to and the media is working overtime to play damage control. Then you have the naive Americans who just want to believe that it will all be back to normal and all will be okay, these are the same ones who get all information from CNN and want to believe that the world is as normal as always with the government looking out for them.

I feel as if we have a side that wants to suppress the truth, one side that wants to hang on to a lie because they are so afraid of it, and the other which has accepted it and is trying to learn how to live with it.

Aquarius supports the crowd over the power structures so I am thinking Capricorn represents the big Pharma, big tech, big corporations, and established government entities. Meanwhile, it would be odd if Aquarius represented the conspiracy theorists who we learn may have been right all along.

posted September 10, 2021 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/243139.html

See my last reply on the first page and my first reply on the 2nd page. Explains everything about what is going to happen. These events have been scheduled by the Creative Forces. The only thing up in the air now is the exact, specific when; that is still somewhat up in the air.

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posted September 10, 2021 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
You scare me dude, you scare the living sh-t out of me.

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posted September 10, 2021 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Porque?

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posted September 11, 2021 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
The California Recall is gonna be very telling.

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I am not sure what the California recall will mean. I don't really have high hopes for Cali.

I lived there for years, knew many women who "ran with the wolves", and other people who called themselves urban shamans, who gathered at the moonlight to sing and dance and reconnect with nature, who explored all sorts of native and esoteric spirituality and natural health.

And I have watch the majority of them get beech slapped by the new religion of scientism, hiding behind masks, putting their faith in a gene therapy vaccine to save them, and posting smug facebook memes of how they are vaccinated and doing it for the community.

posted September 12, 2021 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I am not sure what the California recall will mean. I don't really have high hopes for Cali.

I lived there for years, knew many women who "ran with the wolves", and other people who called themselves urban shamans, who gathered at the moonlight to sing and dance and reconnect with nature, who explored all sorts of native and esoteric spirituality and natural health.

And I have watch the majority of them get beech slapped by the new religion of scientism, hiding behind masks, putting their faith in a gene therapy vaccine to save them, and posting smug facebook memes of how they are vaccinated and doing it for the community.

I have seen the people with guts leaving Cali in drove. I am afraid the ones remaining there are for the most part the sheep. The lions have already moved on. Unless I am missing something and there is more under the surface than meet the eye, I expect Gavin Gruesome to win the recall election.

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I think you are right unfortunately. Larry Elder seems like a promising candidate but I think that overtime, what's gonna happen is that obviously the left will cheat. Newsom will win on the mail in ballots, last I read, some So Cal Republicans cannot even vote because it is showing up as them having already voted.

There is no way they can challenge the fraudulent election in court as the legislature is all Democrat.

IMO, I think that California is going to continue its decline. As someone who gets young Californians in his state, I am kind of worried because they vote the same state and soon more governors like Newsom and Cuomo in NY will pop up left to right. It would have been symbolic if Elder pulled it off given that it would have meant going at the Death Star and beating the problem at its root.

posted September 13, 2021 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
You scare me dude, you scare the living sh-t out of me.

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posted September 14, 2021 10:09 AM            

I can agree with much in your summary, but for the partisan line defining who sees past the facade. My politics is well to the left of the Democratic party and I see through it. I agree that at some point more Americans are going to realize that the 'crazy conspiracy people' weren't so wrong after all. It's sad, but many will first have to suffer personally. Then they'll regret going along with the crowd, believing and doing what they were told. But it will have the effect of sealing in a firmer conviction in more Americans that our government as we've known it is not trustworthy and must be taken back by the people. There is no political party now that can now lay an honest claim to having what it takes to do that. If there were, we'd not be in this mess. The two major parties have had roughly an equal hand in getting us here.

It is a matter of ownership.

The center-left (Democratic party voters) needs to acknowledge how much corporate interests have a hold in public policies and in crafting public opinion to support its greed by default. An example comes to mind.

The Rachel Maddow Show. It's on MSNBC, the liberal network considered a counter to Fox News. I was watching an episode a few years ago and something jumped out that stuck with me: an ad by Boeing.

Boeing is the second largest contractor with the U.S. government (and largest exporter in the U.S.). They don't do retail-to-consumer business. Contracts only. What they manufacture is only for military and massive corporate purchases. They have no soap, no new toothbrush, no teeth whitener to offer the general public. So why would Boeing buy an ad on any broadcast? More specifically, why sponsor the Rachel Maddow show?

Ownership. Boeing is stamping its ownership as a major wheeler-dealer in the corporate conglomerate that runs things. It stamps that wherever it wants to have influence and remind people of what a big money maker it is. And we know money influences people's politics. Individual voters and voting blocks too.

Just as the New York Times draws the definition of 'liberal', thus setting the line of implication for what strays too far left for Americanism, so Boeing understands that its presence in liberal media is more influential than its presence in conservative media (which are already on its side). Boeing's ad on an MSNBC show reminds liberals and the show's producers not necessarily where the line is, but that there is one and it is not drawn by those producers or Rachel Maddow. It is drawn by biggies like Boeing.

Until we take back our personal politics from the influence of such greedy warmongers, we will not see anything clearly. Right or left.

Ownership.

The Astrology

Pluto return sets off a series of transits even as it moves well into Aquarius.

1. Pluto return, moved Rx back into quincunx to natal Moon and opposition to natal Mercury.
2. Tightening its conjunction to natal Pluto again in Direct motion, also trine natal MC (if using the Sibly chart for the US).
3. It is now 22S50, nearly exactly contra-parallel natal Sun 22N48, and will pass through contra-parallels to natals Venus, Mars, Jupiter.
4. It will move into Aquarius and into conjunction with natal South Lunar Node. That's when things will get really sticky as to the unresolved issues of the US. Fortunately, it will soon after make a trine to natal Uranus.
5. The Pluto return has a long-term continuation in declination since its natal declination is 23S43 that will continue through at least 2040 (depending on the effective orb of influence). That will be when Pluto is nearly done with its trip through Aquarius.

So the Pluto return is best defined by its term in declination because of its extreme position in the US natal chart. That term is roughly defined by its trip through the 2nd house of the Sibly chart: ownership.

Who will own the country?

Will we be a society in which the government is of the people, by the people, and for the people?

Or will we remain blind to the ownership of ideas, dialogue, and legislation by corporate American that is constantly molding and shaping these behind the scenes?

Advertising has gotten very sophisticated. Americans should trust their gut and trust their sense of things — not what they are told by anyone on TV. Trust what you feel so long as you are willing to listen to others and reconsider your views, assuming that you have more to learn and are probably wrong about some things.

This is not a war of right vs left ideologies. It is a battle for ownership that many do not even recognize. It has to get personal to many more Americans before they will recognize it. More people will have to lose financial holdings and health. The US is a Cancer nation heavily invested in the heroism of suffering. It's what the masses understand. Until that suffering hits home in a personal way to shake more people up, there won't be enough change. I get no pleasure in saying that. It's just the pattern that's been made obvious over time.

Boeing and its ilk want our money and whatever share of our government that will keep that money flowing to them.

Big pharma want our bodies and whatever public policies will keep us in line — for their concoctions, over and over.

They both are driven by greed and the lust for control that keeps the obsessive cycle going.

We The People need to be driven by our shared ideals, the rights and freedoms of the collective I, the democracy of ordinary living. Right now too many of us are living in fear as if a skull and cross bones were hanging over our heads and the heads of everyone we see.

Until the collective I takes back its bodily autonomy there will be no resolution. If we don't keep ownership of our bodies there will be no ownership of the nation by the people. Bodily autonomy is the foundation of all rights and freedom.

We won't achieve perfect unity of the population. We don't need to. If only a significant enough percentage of the American people start aiming their attention at the right places and shining light on them, the roaches will start to scurry. That's when you get them.

The entire world will be better for it.

posted September 20, 2021 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
COVID vaccine whistleblower, it's full of sh1t....oh lord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdI7tgKLtA

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posted September 22, 2021 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Well said Kannon.

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I second this! Very well said!

posted September 28, 2021 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
We all saw the news about mandates from Biden to where if you do not want to get the jab, you better work for a startup or be self-employed. What I want to bring attention to is how overpowered NGOs and their officials like Fauci truly are.

I truly see two Americas here.

On one hand you have the elite corporations, NGOs, Hollywood, Big Tech, mainstream media, and the politicians that work for them.

On the other hand, you have the small town folks, the "conspiracy theorists", the "Alt right", and Americans who see past that facade.

At some point in 2023, Pluto goes into Aquarius which is supposed to give Power To The People:

https://astrobutterfly.com/2021/06/30/pluto-in-aquarius-2023-2044-power-to-the-people/

I hear 2021 and 2022 are going to be tough years as the people slowly have more and more freedoms taken away. With what I see of Pluto in Aquarius, I wonder if it Is supposed to point to the true will of the people coming through.

My thoughts are that it is likely that more and more Americans wake up and realize that those crazy conspiracy theorists were not so wrong after all. I feel as if Americans become aware of what is going on and push back but perhaps in somewhat of a peaceful way. I think of the whole Gamestop situation and how it was a blowback against big banks. Perhaps what some call malicious compliance.

The optimist in me says that the Pluto return for the US is forcing the hand of its people not against their politicians per se but special interest, big banks, big tech, big media, and big corporations who control the power behind the scenes. Maybe a new age is to rise where the people take the power back against these entities and become to a degree, independent from them, potentially bankrupting them.

I'd love to hear everyone else's take and prediction.

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No.

Vaccine mandates have nothing to do with freedom, but safety and public health. And our freedoms should not infringe on others' freedoms, which is in the constitution. So in that manner, vaccine mandates are legal, as the freedom to not get vaccinated infringes on the right of others not to get infected (there are people who CAN'T get vaccinated for health reasons, and not wanting to protect the most vulnerable is very selfish). Abortion and gay marriage, however, do not have an effect on others' freedoms, as you are also free to NOT have an abortion or marry the same sex. That's why guns are legal, with restrictions such as background checks, as if in the wrong hands, guns can kill innocent people, which would infringe on people's right to not die. Seatbelts and airbags are in cars to prevent people from the "freedom" of injuring themselves and others by reckless driving. People are required to wear clothing in public, as you don't have the "freedom" to expose children and others to your human body, who didn't choose that experience. Masks and vaccine passports are required in many places, TEMPORARILY, in order to prevent people from their "freedom" to infect others with a deadly pandemic that can put them in the ICU or even kill them. If you are against vaccines and masks, you're basically saying that you don't want COVID to end, and that your "freedoms" are more important than the health and safety of others, as well as the mental health of the people in the hospitals who have to witness the death throughout every surge.

The political right is trying to subvert the will of the people, by trying to harm the integrity of the elections, by trying to overturn election results, by politicizing COVID-19 as well as its safety measures (the promotion of ivermectin and HCQ REEK of a money grab and way to divide the left and right even more, and nothing more), by dividing the country in general (the centrist Dems like Schumer, Pelosi, Kamala, and Biden as well as the extreme left like Bernie and AOC want policies that benefit EVERYONE, whereas the GOP is a Trump cult outside of a few exceptions). ALL roads lead to Vladimir Putin (who is doing the same thing in the UK with Boris), and things like the January 6 commission and the New York investigation will also be a factor in the Pluto return. If the GOP were so innocent, they wouldn't be ignoring subpoenas left, right, and center and would have convicted Trump for inciting an insurrection (mail in voting has been around forever, and it is evil to force people to risk their life in order to vote, which IS a constitutional right).

It is not moral for the rural minority to force their ways on the urban majority, and the only way this may be settled without a civil war is to split the red and blue states apart... the political right is falling into this trap because they are scared that their way of life is becoming less relevant, yet don't want to change with the times (ascension, as it is known in the spiritual community... for example, it is well known that the southern states have a racist, sexist, and homophobic history, and were known as the confederacy at one time. Racism, sexism, homophobia, and bigotry in general are looked down upon heavily now), and part of Putin's plan to overthrow Democracy in the WORLD is to play on these fears, as well as infiltrate religion and the spiritual community.