posted September 25, 2021 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
😂😂
You should host a dinner party. Invite all your friends. Make stir fry. Add some mushrooms. Then BAM, they won’t know what hit ‘em .

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If by BAM, you mean Brain Associated Mania, then yes, would have to agree...

Don't tempt me, I just might do it!

(Nah, I wouldn't, that would be unethical).

P.S. back on topic: Even with the 2nd chart, Pluto would be quite strong. Not only is it still technically in your 1st House (though cusping into the 2nd some), more importantly, it is the Planet closest to your Asc--that holds meaning in and of itself, especially with it still in your 1st.

But you would probably also notice it some in your 2nd as well. Astrology is wonderfully complex in that way. Btw, we have an interesting chart comparison. Your SN is right on my Moon and your chart ruler is to the degree opposed my Venus (ruler of my Moon and MC), my chart ruler the Sun is closely conjunct your IC (in the 2nd chart) for a few brief examples.

posted September 25, 2021 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:

Aries,

Father was more of a mentor figure. Yes, he was a “best friend” but there was still that fatherly distance and authority that trumped any sort of friendship. We did get along very well though and argued maybe a handful of times. We just understood one another.

2023/2024–if things go as planned, I’ll be getting my masters in 2024. And hopefully meeting someone I love and getting married lol. I’ve also been trying to move out of state for like 4 years but something has always gotten in the way! Perhaps for the best, who knows.

When I was 30....the most significant thing I can think of is it was the first time I ever seriously considered going to university. I almost applied to a college out of state where I wanted to move, but somehow, with a stroke of fate, I ended up applying at the university I’m at now and I’m so grateful to be enrolled there. It’s tiny but top notch. I applied in June of 2018, and got accepted in august. Then turned 31 two days before classes started.

Also, within the timeframe of my father passing until now I’ve had very turbulent relationships. I mentioned somewhere above that I was in a serious relationship when my father passed, and then about a year later I broke up with him. It was a terrible year lol. We got back together for a short while in 2017, and then again in the fall of 2018 until April 2020. Then all of a sudden one day it was like a flipped switch. I was completely done. No more “idealizing”. And it felt AMAZING. He’s still trying to get me to marry him but I never will. Done with that chapter. There was one other very significant relationship from October 2020-January 2021 (he’d been in love since 2018 but I was not available). Anyway, this was perhaps the most amazing, then crushing, and then Phoenix-rising effect on the soul I have ever experienced.

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posted September 25, 2021 06:43 PM            

Hmmmm I'd say the leo is really strong in my chart so it's difficult to refute any of those planets, but other than that, I would say Pluto in first house. There's just no way it's in my 2nd. I feel very "phoenix-y" with burning during bad times but then using that as fuel to rise up again. Transformation of the self. Although that could perhaps be attributed to moon in 8th?
I can never refute Libra ASC, that's for sure. But that doesn't help our purposes any.

How does your Mars in Libra in 6th manifest?

posted September 25, 2021 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
If by BAM, you mean Brain Associated Mania, then yes, would have to agree...

Don't tempt me, I just might do it!

(Nah, I wouldn't, that would be unethical).

P.S. back on topic: Even with the 2nd chart, Pluto would be quite strong. Not only is it still technically in your 1st House (though cusping into the 2nd some), more importantly, it is the Planet closest to your Asc--that holds meaning in and of itself, especially with it still in your 1st.

But you would probably also notice it some in your 2nd as well. Astrology is wonderfully complex in that way. Btw, we have an interesting chart comparison. Your SN is right on my Moon and your chart ruler is to the degree opposed my Venus (ruler of my Moon and MC), my chart ruler the Sun is closely conjunct your IC (in the 2nd chart) for a few brief examples.

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I did mean Brain Associated Mania, actually 😂

posted September 26, 2021 01:05 AM            

Here is my wild astro Monday morning quaterback musing:

In your natal chart, you have a lovely configuration stellium of Sun, Venus and Mars in Leo. THis is a vital part of you. In a woman's chart, a nicely aspected sun can indicate excellent relationship with the father. You will get lucky when it comes to relationships.

Now, that same lovely configuration is square your Taurus moon which happens to fall in the 8th house of death. You have not mentioned your mom once. In addition to our mother, the moon also represents our emotions, our deep psyche.

Transit jupiter was retrograding over your lovely Leo stellium, and squaring your moon. Ordinarily Jupiter square moon should not create such pain, but in your case, what it did was amplify the conflict between the Leo stellium and your Taurus moon. Jupiter on your Leo stellium made you acutely aware of the love you have for your father, and its square to your Taurean moon in the 8th house made you acutely aware of the loss you were feeling precisely because you loved him so much.

posted September 26, 2021 09:31 AM            

The couple of months leading up to it were turbulent to. He was going through something very difficult. And about two weeks before his passing we had a terrible fight. Very odd for us. Of course we made up but there was a lot of tension. And then...gone.

My mother and I talk almost everyday, but it’s strained a lot of the time. I was obsessed with my mother as a child up until my teenage years, though. Like, obsessed lol.
But with my father it was an all around feeling of just complete love, trust, safety, and admiration. My mother is a Scorpio. We just butt heads as I’ve gotten older.

I just don’t understand how These transits show anything regarding that loss. Perhaps approaching Pluto to the IC? Or like mirage said, the Mars on the IC in the TOB chart. But maybe you’re right, the t Jupiter square moon in 8th. I just didn’t think lucky Jupiter would bring what it brought. Can it maybe be t Saturn opposite moon in 8th?

posted September 26, 2021 11:59 AM            

On that specific day, T moon was square your Saturn, but this happens every month... That wouldn't be the defining factor.

Now I just noticed that T Chiron was coming to a square of your Saturn. That particular transit can be very painful and last quite a bit as Chiron moves slowly.

posted September 26, 2021 02:15 PM            

I'm very sorry for the loss of your father. We can know our parents won't live forever, but nothing really prepares us for their passing. I know it's been nearly 7 years, but I wish you full healing and peace with his death. I hope you are able to have satisfactory communication with him in some form.

First, the process of astrological chart verification hinges heavily upon being sure you are actually a Libra rising personality: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs/#libra

Most often in these either/or cases, neither option is correct to the degree. I've corrected more than a few rectification attempts done by other astrologers and they're rarely correct within a degree. If they're within even 3° that's pretty good.

I reverse engineered the chart precisely to the time and place on your birth certificate, as you can see below. (I'll keep birth details to myself.)

I first look at the loka planets, which are internal indicators suggestive of a range of accuracy for the Asc degree.
- The solar loka is derived from the Nirayana (sidereal) zodiac decan — Pisces for you = Jupiter or Neptune.
- The lunar loka is from the decan of Sagittarius for you = Jupiter. That points heavily to Jupiter as the single loka planet (or planetary loka) of your nativity. It is angular in the 7th house in either chart, which may be enough, but most often the loka planet is in significant aspect to Asc, MC or IC.

However, if we consider the modern ruler of Pisces, Neptune, to be in play here as the solar loka, notice that it also is in significant aspect (quincunx) to the MC of the 24° Libra chart.

Note: Neptune's quincunx to MC/IC is tight enough to consider it for a possible planetary metric for sequences of moves out of your home country to where you settled and/or for your father's death. Let me know the dates of migration/moves if you like. They could prove useful.
Also: Your father's birth chart (with planet position columns intact) could prove helpful.
Also: Such a major move and loss of your father at an early age matches Pluto in 1st and square MC much better, meaning Asc in late Libra. There's no such natal aspect indicative of such transformative experiences in a chart w/ Asc in mid-Libra.

Jupiter at 29° Aries is opposite an Asc in late Libra to early Scorpio, but not one in middle Libra. It is also square IC in late Capricorn to early Aquarius, but not an IC produced by Asc in middle Libra. Jupiter's declination at 10.1° north is contra-parallel the declination, 9.5° south, of Asc at 24° Libra. So not only an opposition, but a contra-parallel. So the most likely spot for your Asc in my view is in late Libra.

Transits for your father's death

The natal significators of the event are found in houses of endings, especially the one involved in the parental axis:
1) the IC / 4th house
2) the other houses of endings: 8th / cusp, and 12th / cusp.
There must be significant transits to IC/MC axis, even if just one or two. Otherwise, the chart is off at least a bit.

Chart 1 (24° Libra)
Notice Mars transits near IC, just into the 4th house. Notice both Venus and Neptune make quincunxes to natal MC (semi-sextiles to natal IC). The natal IC of 4.4° Aquarius has a declination of 19.1° south. Declinations are essential in making these kinds of determinations.

Transiting Saturn was at 18.1° south and applying in parallel to that IC figure.

There's also the significator of the DC, being the point that represents all (significant) 'others'. Notice in the transits that Mercury, Jupiter, and possibly Saturn (if Asc/DC axis were a bit later) could make aspects to the natal DC. Mercury = quincunx, Jupiter = trine, Saturn = quincunx if natal DC were about 27° Aries to 1° Taurus. Quincunxes, especially by the heftier or slower planets, are common transits in death-related events. Because Saturn had passed out of transits (square) natal Sun and (opposite) natal Moon (max orb = 5.5°), it is more likely to have been in active transit to IC (or DC).

Chart 2 (14° Libra)
The arguments for the second (rectified) chart are seen in these transits:
- Sun quincunx MC
- Jupiter near quincunx IC

The natal IC of 20.1° Capricorn has a declination of 21.9° south. Transits of declination showed nothing within about 1° (orb) of that figure. Pluto at 20S39, if it were making a parallel to natal IC [19S39 - 21S39]= zodiac: 2° Aquarius back to 22° Capricorn = Asc 15-21° Libra. Because of the association of Saturn and Pluto with significant transits in death, and because of the significance of the natal IC in these, I think this nearly effectively eliminates an Asc before 15° Libra. That's also the range where natal loka planet Jupiter comes into orb of square with natal MC.

However, the dual transit of Uranus to DC and Pluto square to Asc/DC is worth noting. That dual transit represents a persistent internal/external change/upheavel that would have had its strongest intensity over a couple years during Uranus's part in it. Pluto's part would have stretched over 4-6 years. That would have involved disruptions in close relationships, difficulty/opposition to keeping them together, etc. Because this would seem to match the events you describe that accompanied/followed your father's death, it makes a mid-Libra chart still worth considering.

That dual transit would not hit the 24/late Libra Asc axis, except for a brief period. Uranus would have opposed Asc several years ago and been over in 2 years. Pluto would have first come into conjunction with Asc around late 2017 and still be in square to it now.

I have been able to narrow down the correct Asc for a few people based simply upon rough periods of event sequences in their lives that indicate a major Pluto transit to natal Asc and/or MC/IC.

Because it's only one event progressions should be considered. I'm now looking at the progressions for your father's death, 14 Dec 2014, using the 24° Libra chart under the assumption that it may be pretty close to accurate.

Only aspects within 0°05' culmination zone are considered with the exception of:
(a) Sun's aspects in to natal cusps (orb=20', sometimes a bit wider in longitude) because of its apparent diameter of 15' + 05' culmination zone;
(b) the Moon's aspects (orb=same), which because of its speed is worth noting with wider orbs (under 1° but only using the topocentric positions).
(c) quotidian (true) progressions of significant cusps to natal or progressed planets (orb=1°/day's movement)

- prog Moon conjunct natal Moon to the degree in the 8th house (orb=under 1°).
- prog Moon quincunx natal & prog Uranus, ruler of natal IC (orb=same).
(these first two would also be active in a radix set in mid-Libra and involve the 8th.)
- prog (quotidian) IC contra-parallel natal & prog Uranus: unique to radix set in late Libra.
- prog Mercury (in 12th in both charts) semi-sextile prog Pluto (orb=0°01', aspect active in both charts)

- prog Sun 19VIR22 may've been making a semi-square to natal MC / sesquisquare to natal IC (4°02-22' Aquarius).

posted September 27, 2021 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Kannon, thank you for your kind words. And for the time you took looking into these charts with such attention to detail.

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You're welcome. Even though I'm not practicing astrology/rectification professionally for the time being, I get sucked into a challenge like this easily.

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I am a libra rising, definitely, no question about that.

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Yeah, I figured as much. I just have to mention it as a matter of principle.

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My father's sun, mercury, and north node all conjunct my neptune in 3rd, capricorn, and his Pluto conjuncts all of those 10th house planets in leo. I guess at the time of his death, transit pluto was conjunct his natal sun, mercury, and north node, and tranist jupiter was conjunct his natal pluto. Would those serve as possible indicators of passing? I don't have his correct birth time, so I don't know which house placements he has.

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None of that helps point to or substantiate your Asc / MC. Show me a chart of his noon planet positions, or just the planetary position column.

When I do birth chart rectifications I have numerous layers that substantiate a chart validation. I won't be able to go through all those layers completely here, but I can show you what I mean. There may be correlations between his planets and your chart that show in the declinations that you're not aware of.

posted September 27, 2021 12:01 PM            

Here’s his natal with a moon birth time. I feel like he would have had 9th house placements—he was beyond intelligent with an IQ of over 155. A genius in his field—mathematics. But maybe that can be attributed to planetary aspects?

posted September 27, 2021 02:57 PM            

The only planet of his suggestive of a possible Asc for you in mid-Libra is his Mars at 16° Pisces. That single quincunx is a rather weak suggestion compared to the stronger aspects listed above that point pretty closely to both Asc + the triple quincunx to MC.

posted September 28, 2021 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
His planets have all the clues needed to point to your Asc being in late Libra 23-28°.
- His Neptune conjunct Asc.
- His Pluto sextile it.
- His Jupiter-Uranus square it.
- His Sun-NN-Mercury quincunx MC.

The only planet of his suggestive of a possible Asc for you in mid-Libra is his Mars at 16° Pisces. That single quincunx is a rather weak suggestion compared to the stronger aspects listed above that point pretty closely to both Asc + the triple quincunx to MC.

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The Neptune to ASC and my Neptune on his sun would account for the idealization and pure love, wouldn’t it?

posted September 28, 2021 12:09 PM            

Jupiter-Uranus: his sense of adventure, restlessness, reliance on good luck affecting you.

posted September 29, 2021 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
I did mean Brain Associated Mania, actually 😂

And that's interesting! I've had SN conjunct partner's moon in many relationships, not just romantic. What does Sun/IC signify, in your experience?

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Sorry for the rather late response. Have been working at a new job and more hours than I thought (and somewhat physical).

Tbh, I don't have a whole lot of experience with it on either side. The little experience I do have, suggests feelings of familiarity, and closeness but mixed with some stress--hard to explain--sort of like a family dynamic where you are close with the other person, but at the same time, sometimes they can get on your nerves and/or vice versa. It probably depends on if the Sun Sign of the one person is in a general square to the other person's Asc or not. That can show some friction, along with the 4th House closeness/familiarity etc.

P.S., I have a hard time ignoring the close T. Pluto square to your Asc, and the close T. Uranus and South Node conjunction to your Desc in relation to your father's passing and the 2nd chart. But I don't have much time or energy to devote to it in a more holistic way.

posted September 30, 2021 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Neptune: his idealization of you.

Jupiter-Uranus: his sense of adventure, restlessness, reliance on good luck affecting you.

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posted October 09, 2021 04:41 PM            

Other notable aspects I have are progressed Sun and Mercury square Pluto.

Progressed ASC conjunct Pluto.