posted October 09, 2021 12:28 AM            

Then later I was thinking, and it hit me that I like to instill confidence in others bc that is how I nourish others and I was like that is my IC in ARIES! I nourish others by helping them believe in themselves. Add my IC ruler is MARS in LEO conjunct VENUS which rules my MC so I feel that also reinforces this theme further.

Anyways everyone agrees today, we need more ice-cream in the world!

posted October 09, 2021 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Hi Hypatia, I would love to take a closer look at the IC. It’s an angle and very important in someone’s chart. My IC is in Capricorn and I have been very independent and responsible from an early age. I’m an Earth dominant with a Taurus stellium (Sun, Jupiter and Venus) and a Virgo Moon, so I like to show my affection in a very practical way. I can give solid advice and I will point out your own responsibilities. I am very aware that my kids at one point need to be independent adults and I try to prepare them for that. But in a nurturing way. My IC ruler Saturn is in Cancer and conjunct Mars. So I will provide a listening ear and hugs for those who need to vent. Often there is food involved. Feeling down? Let’s do lunch together or coffee with a brownie.

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posted October 09, 2021 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
My IC is in Virgo and I have a very practical, no nonsense approach to nourishing others. When there is problem I listen but I don't support wallowing. I also like to give reality checks and advice. And people usually do thank me for it. I m never cruel but I do use a firmer tone that can have a sobering effect. I got told I help people seeing their issue from a completely different angle.

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No wallowing and reality checks and sobering tone! High five

posted October 09, 2021 09:03 PM            

Venus relates more to the concept of giving and considering others needs. Venus directly connects to the 4th energetic Center and the Thymus gland--sometimes referred to as the "heart chakra".

People tend to equate the Houses too much with the Signs, and even then, Cancer isn't really as nourishing and giving as is often portrayed. I'm not talking about individuals with strong Cancer highlighted, but Cancer the Sign as an archetype when I say that Cancer is one of the 4 personal Signs, which are known for their self centeredness/self focus.

It represents the stage of life of the child right before puberty (puberty being Leo). There is some developing awareness of others at this stage, especially as compared to the previous 3 stages (Aries, Taurus, Gemini), but it is still highly, highly self focused. It is not until Libra that the Soul really starts to focus on others in a more conscious and less purely self centered way. It is in Libra that we finally start to see others for themselves, and not as ego extensions of ourselves.

Libra is the start of the "we" consciousness, vs the "me" consciousness. But even then, it is only a start. It is in Pisces that this potentially reaches a zenith point for humans/earthlings (which in a larger, grander scope is only really a start cosmically), which is maybe part of the reason why Venus--that of personal love and giving, is said to be exalted in Pisces the Sign of universal love and givingness.

The Moon and/or Cancer can be "sympathetic" towards others that it likes and/or feels connected to (family, tribe, etc), but they are still highly self focused energies/patterns/symbols.

As a side note, having been involved with intentional communities some (non guru based, non central power oriented), I have noticed there are two distinct types of people that are most drawn to such communities. There are the Aquarian and Piscean types that you might expect--the ones that believe in egalitarianism, community, universal connectedness, etc, but somewhat to my surprise in actual experience, you also get a lot of Lunar and/or Cancerian attuned type people as well, that are really just looking for a bigger family to be part of. They are often very tribal minded/oriented. They deeply desire security, and strength in numbers. They lack self realization and true individuation. They are like children looking to belong, and be parented by the community.

posted October 09, 2021 11:36 PM            

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As a side note, having been involved with intentional communities some (non guru based, non central power oriented), I have noticed there are two distinct types of people that are most drawn to such communities. There are the Aquarian and Piscean types that you might expect--the ones that believe in egalitarianism, community, universal connectedness, etc, but somewhat to my surprise in actual experience, you also get a lot of Lunar and/or Cancerian attuned type people as well, that are really just looking for a bigger family to be part of. They are often very tribal minded/oriented. They deeply desire security, and strength in numbers. They lack self realization and true individuation. They are like children looking to belong, and be parented by the community.

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posted October 09, 2021 11:38 PM            

I used to be one who was welcoming to everyone. I mentioned this recently. someone remarked on it (a guy, who might have liked me, but I'm not sure).

posted October 10, 2021 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Mine is Aquarius on the cusp, and half Pisces. My Mars is at the beginning of Pisces.

I used to be one who was welcoming to everyone. I mentioned this recently. someone remarked on it (a guy, who might have liked me, but I'm not sure).

I used to paint, I used to make things. I cook, but I'm not great at that. I'm not exactly sure what to think.

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Huh so you are a rebel at heart with aqua on the IC, you are welcoming to everyone, you do value a sense of community and you nourish others by trying to give them a sense of community.

posted October 10, 2021 12:38 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
The natural ruler of the IC is the moon and the moon rules our emotions, motherhood and our needs and yes how we nourish others since it rules motherhood, so you can disagree but I stand by this.

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We all have a Moon and we all have an IC, but not all of us try to nourish others. Some people are extremely self focused. Others only nourish others close to them, and then others try to nourish almost everyone.

Moon is connected to motherhood yes. But the Moon is more the biological, programmed part of it, and which most applies to female bodies. And yet there are those connected to male bodies that try to nourish others.

Houses don't really have "natural rulers" per se--that's a modern invention and relates to that over equating Houses with Signs which is another modern trend. There is a loose, archetypal connection between the 12 Signs and 12 Houses, but that is as far as it goes.

The ruler of a House, is the ruler(s) of the Sign on the House in the individuals chart. I've found that the faster moving, traditional ruler tends to be more sensitive in some ways than the modern, slower moving ruler.

Even if your theory was correct about the IC, having Aries on same and Mars as the ruler, would indicate anti-nourishing. There is nothing nourishing about Mars or Aries. They are extremely self focused/centered energies. In an archetypal sense, they barely register that others exist. How can that be nourishing to others, when nourishment to others is based on connection, caring, empathy, and Love?

In your case, I would say your Pisces Moon is one of your more nourishing type patterns/indications. Also, your Sun is closely cusping Libra. It does help that your IC ruler is conjunct Venus, as that counter balances some of the Aries self focus, and counter balances it with more of a "we" consciousness vs the Aries very "ME" consciousness.

posted October 10, 2021 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't think this is true at all. I was a member of another website that I still miss - I took long breaks from here, the other site was my favourite. It shut down in 2014, but a lot of us moved to facebook, and are still in touch (it isn't the best, but it's better than nothing). One friend mentioned it again this morning. You can be a part of a site - almost like a family of your choosing - without being parented by them, and the only time I've seen people acting wary of new people (or even with each other), is when we've had some BS to deal with. Someone deliberately messing with us, and trying to cause trouble/get people ousted.

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I wouldn't really compare an online forum group to a community you actually live and share resources and power with. Different level of intensity and being affected. I'm not saying that one cannot develop connections and emotions online with others, you can, but it's a different level and intensity when you live with people and see them regularly.

In any case, what I described earlier was what my experience/observation with the intentional community that I was involved with was like.

posted October 10, 2021 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I wouldn't really compare an online forum group to a community you actually live and share resources and power with. Different level of intensity and being affected. I'm not saying that one cannot develop connections and emotions online with others, you can, but it's a different level and intensity when you live with people and see them regularly.

In any case, what I described earlier was what my experience/observation with the intentional community that I was involved with was like.

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posted October 10, 2021 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

Even if your theory was correct about the IC, having Aries on same and Mars as the ruler, would indicate [b]anti-nourishing. There is nothing nourishing about Mars or Aries.

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posted October 10, 2021 01:46 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
*ahem* I beg to differ.

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I didn't realize your entire chart was comprised of solely Aries. Bugger me, the ole mind has been slippen.

I was talking about ARCHETYPES, not complex, individual human beings with freewill and full charts that are likewise complex, multi faceted. For example, you have Moon conjunct Venus and your faster moving chart ruler in Pisces. It does NOT relate to your Aries Sun.

Many of the people that I have known with very strong Aries, have been more takers than givers. There have been and are exceptions, but usually strong Neptune, Pisces, Venus, Sun, Jupiter, and/or Libra has been very highlighted simultaneously.

posted October 10, 2021 03:27 AM            

I see a lot of Cancer Sun people in my workplace. My MC is also in Cancer. I work for our national Government so it does seem fitting to have the connection with Cancer as it’s “tribe” related. Altruism has a selfish side in the sense that in practice it is not really unconditional. Still treating other people the way you would want to be treated yourself is a very good way to interact with others. Even if Cancer is not really about the “other”, it is about your team and maybe more “us” versus the “other” instead of Aries “I” versus the “other”.

posted October 10, 2021 08:02 AM            

This is difficult for me to answer because I’m not a typical nurturing human and with that I mean: don’t come to my Cap moon with crocodile tears or try to get me to feel sorry for you because you just need to be “uplifted”. I’m not that person! I will see through the charade and most likely despise you instead.

posted October 10, 2021 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
This is an interesting discussion. I agree that not everyone has a nurturing personality. Different factors most likely contribute to someone’s nurturing style. The IC represents our roots, early childhood and the mother. It is connected to how we were nurtured and where we feel safe. This most likely does have a big impact on your own nurturing style...

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Welp, with Scorpio IC and Scorpio Uranus in the 4th, I guess I'm completely fooked. Time to throw in the nourishing towel.. More seriously, though I do sort of have this core detachment in some ways (which Aqua Venus also relates to), I also do tend to be the more nourishing and giving one in various connections, so I don't think it is solely about IC.

I'm not saying that 4th House doesn't relate at all, but rather trying to point out that it is likely a lot more holistic and whole chart oriented, rather than pointing to one symbol and saying, "this is how we nourish others". I suspect Moon can be part of it, Venus (the most directly giving/relating part of us), Neptune, certain signs, etc. In general, I would say that it is more Yin/Feminine related and attuned all in all.

It's interesting to note that the 2nd half Signs and Houses are like a collective reflection of the first 6 Signs and Houses. If Cancer is related to the personal mother (loosely, through its connection to the Moon, its ruler), then Capricorn is the universal/collective mother. Strangely, though Capricorn is a Yin/Feminine Sign, it is often associated with the concept of "father" and "patriarchy" though, which I always thought was a bit weird.

posted October 10, 2021 12:27 PM            

Roots need to be watered and nourished.

Libra makes me think of interpersonal skills and stressors, not my soul feeling nourished at my core/roots.

Cancer does have this nourishing energy and sorry but Capricorn does not have this nourishing energy. My parents are both Capricorns and when I think of nourishing energy I think of my cancer grandmother, my father thanks to his mars in libra was very affectionate when I was a child and that nourished me but I wouldn't say he was nourishing per say, Capricorns often are critical, but great providers although some want to be taken cared of and have co dependent tendencies. They are supportive and dependable but I wouldn't describe them as nourishing typically so they are not the collective mother to me.

You have this obsession with the top houses being evolved and collectivistic values being "more evolved" and seeing the houses in the bottom hemisphere as bad, selfish and less evolved that I don't agree with, both are good and bad, one side isn't good or bad, one side isn't superior or worse, I don't care for that narrative. Family will be there for you more than a stranger, friend or the government typically that is why the IC represents the roots, the foundation of everything, and the emotional ties to your roots are powerful and will always be a part of you.

posted October 10, 2021 01:15 PM            

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You have this obsession with the top houses being evolved and collectivistic values being "more evolved" and seeing the houses in the bottom hemisphere as bad, selfish and less evolved that I don't agree with, both are good and bad, one side isn't good or bad, one side isn't superior or worse, I don't care for that narrative.

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First, no obsession. 2nd, less about Houses and more about Signs. Houses represent areas of life, which by their very nature are somewhat neutral. However, the Signs do represent stages of life and growth in relation to the Soul.

The entire archeytpal story of the Zodiac is literally about the simple, selfish/self centered self (Aries) going through various stages, lessons, consciousness levels, to arrive at the transformation of the ego towards that of universal Love and Oneness consciousness (which Pisces represents the beginning of).

If you disagree with that, then I don't know what to tell you--it's there plain as day. Does it apply to all actual individuals? No, of course not. I've met individuals with very strong Aries who were more spiritually/consciousness evolved than people with very strong Pisces. The whole maturity/evolution thing is related more to a combo of strongest Planetary energies and/or freewill, than it is to Signs--which is something I've probably mentioned some hundred times at least here. But is the ARCHETYPE of Aquarius or Pisces more complex, evolved, etc than the ARCHETYPE of say Aries or Taurus--yep, no doubt about it at all.

Yes, I am "obsessed" with objective truth. Guilty as charged.

Now, the interesting thing here Hypatia, why are you making this conversation about me personally? Why not stick to the information, data, logic, etc at hand? Why do you have to bring me into it? "You have this obsession..." Is it just because I had the audacity to disagree with and challenge some of your perceptions? Because I didn't make any of my previous replies about YOU in a personal way whatsoever (other than neutrally pointing out chart patterns which could relate to your nourishment of others vs Aries IC). Sounds a bit confrontational, over personal, and a bit Aries at the roots of one's being... and with me having Scorpio at the roots of my being, I ain't backing down.

As I told PlutoWasHere earlier, it's not that I think that the IC doesn't have anything to do with it at all, but rather I think it is a more holistic and complex subject than just pointing to one symbol and saying, "this is how we nourish others". As I said, and I'll repeat, I suspect that also Moon, Venus, Neptune, certain Signs, etc are likely a part of it as well, and with an emphasis on the Yin/Feminine for the most part.

posted October 10, 2021 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
My experience with Cancer Suns or otherwise strongly highlighted has been a pretty mixed bag.

I'm currently working under a Cancer Sun person, and I can assure you I don't feel very "nourished" or the like. Both T. Pluto and Saturn are in my 6th in the present, and yeah, that more so sums it up.

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posted October 10, 2021 01:53 PM            

I've met some folks with strong Cancer who do fit the kind of pop, mainstream, generalized view of the "mothering" Cancer, but as mentioned, I've met plenty who were anything but.

Relates more to the whole chart methinks, and especially strongest Planets. I may be peeing in the wind here with repeating this over and over, but people's strongest Planets often over shadow so much Sign wise in their charts.

posted October 10, 2021 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Welp, with Scorpio IC and Scorpio Uranus in the 4th, I guess I'm completely fooked. Time to throw in the nourishing towel…

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Hi GCE, thank you for your reply. Please don’t tell me you are buying into the bad Scorpio story plutonianmenace has been shipping… just kidding

Really, there is nothing wrong with Scorpio. From what I remember from earlier posts you did have an intense childhood. Scorpio is a survivor that rises from it’s own ashes. It also has strong connections to mental healing and psychology. So your nourishing style could be more connected to offering others psychological support.