posted December 31, 2021 09:44 AM            

12th house which is also the house of uncovering secrets & unconscious. I thought it would make for a really good psychologist/psychoanalyst. But the post argues that 12th in people with a dreamy interest in alternative spirituality.

Here's the link to that post- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/207272.html

i have lot of 12th house placements- mars, mercury & pluto in scorpio in 12th house stellium but i would like a discussion.

posted December 31, 2021 10:33 AM            

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posted December 31, 2021 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
8th has a better understanding of himself. 12th is more swimming in it

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posted December 31, 2021 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
8th has a better understanding of himself. 12th is more swimming in it

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In the archetypal journey of the Zodiac of Aries to Pisces, it is at the stage of Scorpio that consciousness FIRST starts to sense that there is more to life than the purely physical/material. But it is more a vague, generalized, sensing rather than clear, very conscious perception and understanding. It's more like a gut instinct rather like a Pineal gland direct vision.

From Aries to Libra, consciousness is firmly focused on the material plane.

Also in Scorpio, consciousness experiences a battle between the so called lower and higher self parts, or ego, fear, the body-physical and shadow vs Love, fast vibration, and Source consciousness. The strong contrast of and tug of war between these, can really cloud Scorpio's perception of themselves, others, and reality at times. Often fear and ego becomes too involved.

How consciousness handles this "battle" or tug of war, determines whether they are pulled back down to the purely material, or start to ascend to the faster vibratory levels of the nonphysical and spiritual. Or, more specifically, do they move from the 4th Center/thymus gland (often called the heart chakra) back down to the material focused first 3 Centers, or start to phase to the 5th Center (thyroid gland) of starting to perceive the nonphysical more consciously.

In Sagittarius, consciousness lifts its eyes to the Heavens and seeks to start to consciously understand, interpret, and spread the knowledge of the spiritual.

This climaxes in Pisces where consciousness can potentially get beyond belief, and gets ever more focused on direct perception and experience, through an unusual psychic sensitivity and openness. Pisces can potentially reach to the highest truth/perception of the Universe of Universal Love and Oneness, and how we are all parts/extensions of Source.

Pisces has far less ego and far more attunement to Love than Scorpio in the archetypal sense (which is why Venus is said to be exalted in Pisces), which leads to potentially clearer perception of self, others, and reality itself. Again, in the archetypal sense, and not necessarily in practice. Pisces very influenced by ego (as especially indicated by/correlated to very strong Saturn, Mars, and/or Pluto planetary wise) can become quite confused and muddled, and can even become predatory.

There is some archetypal, generalized correlation with the 8th House and 12th Houses, but understanding that Houses correspond to more so outer condition and situations of material life. They are not directly "inner states" and personality, but inner states and personality can become influenced by outer conditions, events, other people, etc that we experience along the way.

posted December 31, 2021 04:08 PM            

At this point, get out of your Head,
and ask your Heart.

If it's never occurred to you to consider 'being' that before, and the thought of doing it doesn't "light up your Heart" then leave it for a while. It has turned into a darker heavy chore, instead of the sparkle of investigation.

I DO Understand the need to HAVE a Job, and a good-paying one.

With psychology it works better if you feel it is a Calling (from the inner-self) to HELP people. Going to school to be educated for that takes a lot of money, fierce determination to get through ALL the classes, and some years of practicum.

If your own mental health is in need of a tune-up with a good therapist, that might be a start for you. An open opportunity. Become the recipient of therapy. Tackle some of your own pit-falls, and observe self's processing of pain, hurts. Your relationships, your parents.

That's usually part of your graduate school requirements anyways.

{{Please don't elect to do it IF your Heart would not be solidly behind it. Merely meaning that to you, it wouldn't be part of your calling. Avoid the karma that results if you're pursuing it for money-purposes and are lukewarm and sorta mediocre about what you do and how you feel in it. There are too many in the field that have been misguided towards it. Clue: If you need to "force" yourself into being "convinced" that "this" is what you want to do-- then maybe that's not quite "it"? Expand your search.

There ARE Vocational Quizes and Tests you can take--- these could help you narrow down your TRUE interests. If you are near a college/university level Library, you can go in and ask the Librarian to use their computers and take the tests. Shouldn't cost you anything (except perhaps the cost of a Library Card).

The Librarians are usually very learned, and eager to assist.

The other thing to do there would be to set up an appointment to talk about the personal requirements necessary to be in the field.

For example, with Psychology:
There are several types of psychology degrees to apply to. Some take a shorter time, others will provide 'only' a focus on being a counselor (IF that's your interest-- it's a fairly new degree that began post 2000).
Visit a Guidance person in the Deans Office, or in the Psychology Department for queries.
Some universities have Sororities FOR students attending to become a Professional. The young women there might be happy to sit and talk about their schooling, and what that's been like for them-- and about their goals.

Oh gosh... I'm going LONG on this!

Bottom-line: Get your head off the chart for a just a LITTLE bit of time, and get your butt OUT there. Get 'the feel' of what's going on out-there in your part of the world. Go talk to Living People... .... Gently THEN, you can look at the chart again, but with being wiser about the energetics behind your wishes, wants, and needs.

MUCH Love to you Kahraman.
Big hugs!!!

Spend the month of January just-exploring the various ideas you've been having. Go on little mini-trips, and VISIT places where you think you might have an interest.

There are ALWAYS people around places like those, who love to be of help to people asking questions about their field.

Big Hugs!!! And Happy New Year, Dear Heart!

__________
Edit to ADD, that there are New Discoveries being made in the world right now. This world is Changing!! Try not to be in too much despair, because AS these discoveries come, there are new opportunities.
We're all 'wired' for "something."
"For Such A Time as This!"

posted January 01, 2022 11:56 AM            

Venus conjunct Mars in the 8th
Venus rules my 10th
Mars rules my 4th

Saturn in Scorpio conjuncts Pluto in Libra in the 10th

Northnode in gemini in the 6th
Chiron in gemini in the 6th

Chart ruler Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12th

Sun in Virgo in the 9th rules the 8th

Mercury in virgo parallels pluto

Moon in Pisces in the 3rd

I love what I do. Clients sometime say it must be hard what you do and I tell them I love what I do.

My dad was in this field too, sun in cappy, moon in virgo, mars in Libra, venus opposite pluto but no tob.

posted January 01, 2022 12:13 PM            

I think with a strong eighth house you will be very comfortable working with trauma, I am an EMDR therapist. However since the 12th also rules the subconscious a combo of strong 8th with strong 12th can be great to facilitate healing around trauma and for doing trauma work. The 12th and 8th can be great too for working through issues with addiction, getting to the bottom of what is driving their addiction cycle; add trauma and addiction often go together.

posted January 10, 2022 08:29 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
In the archetypal journey of the Zodiac of Aries to Pisces, it is at the stage of Scorpio that consciousness FIRST starts to [b]sense that there is more to life than the purely physical/material. But it is more a vague, generalized, sensing rather than clear, very conscious perception and understanding. It's more like a gut instinct rather like a Pineal gland direct vision.

From Aries to Libra, consciousness is firmly focused on the material plane.

Also in Scorpio, consciousness experiences a battle between the so called lower and higher self parts, or ego, fear, the body-physical and shadow vs Love, fast vibration, and Source consciousness. The strong contrast of and tug of war between these, can really cloud Scorpio's perception of themselves, others, and reality at times. Often fear and ego becomes too involved.

How consciousness handles this "battle" or tug of war, determines whether they are pulled back down to the purely material, or start to ascend to the faster vibratory levels of the nonphysical and spiritual. Or, more specifically, do they move from the 4th Center/thymus gland (often called the heart chakra) back down to the material focused first 3 Centers, or start to phase to the 5th Center (thyroid gland) of starting to perceive the nonphysical more consciously.

In Sagittarius, consciousness lifts its eyes to the Heavens and seeks to start to consciously understand, interpret, and spread the knowledge of the spiritual.

This climaxes in Pisces where consciousness can potentially get beyond belief, and gets ever more focused on direct perception and experience, through an unusual psychic sensitivity and openness. Pisces can potentially reach to the highest truth/perception of the Universe of Universal Love and Oneness, and how we are all parts/extensions of Source.

Pisces has far less ego and far more attunement to Love than Scorpio in the archetypal sense (which is why Venus is said to be exalted in Pisces), which leads to potentially clearer perception of self, others, and reality itself. Again, in the archetypal sense, and not necessarily in practice. Pisces very influenced by ego (as especially indicated by/correlated to very strong Saturn, Mars, and/or Pluto planetary wise) can become quite confused and muddled, and can even become predatory.

There is some archetypal, generalized correlation with the 8th House and 12th Houses, but understanding that Houses correspond to more so outer condition and situations of material life. They are not directly "inner states" and personality, but inner states and personality can become influenced by outer conditions, events, other people, etc that we experience along the way.

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HI i am confused when you said that houses are not inner states & personalities coz i have always read houses represent 'where' ie where the planets invest their energies...so they do somehow become part of your personality. For ex- mars in 12th is martian energy ie goals/drives directed at 12th house things like spirtuality/creativity etc...

posted January 10, 2022 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I think with a very strong 12th house the focus will be more on working with people with severe mental health illnesses or marginalized populations since the 12th house rules hospitals and institutionalization.

I think with a strong eighth house you will be very comfortable working with trauma, I am an EMDR therapist. However since the 12th also rules the subconscious a combo of strong 8th with strong 12th can be great to facilitate healing around trauma and for doing trauma work. The 12th and 8th can be great too for working through issues with addiction, getting to the bottom of what is driving their addiction cycle; add trauma and addiction often go together.

You will also need earth to keep that 12th house stuff in check so is channeled constructively and you can still be objective so you dont get lost in a fantasy and to keep you grounded as you do this deeper trauma work with others.

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posted January 10, 2022 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Kahraman ... Oh noooo. Could it be you're stressing too much about what's on the paper, and getting over-focused and "overthinking" all this?

At this point, get out of your Head,
and ask your Heart.

If it's never occurred to you to consider 'being' that before, and the thought of doing it doesn't "light up your Heart" then leave it for a while. It has turned into a darker heavy chore, instead of the sparkle of investigation.

I DO Understand the need to HAVE a Job, and a good-paying one.

With psychology it works better if you feel it is a Calling (from the inner-self) to HELP people. Going to school to be educated for that takes a lot of money, fierce determination to get through ALL the classes, and some years of practicum.

If your own mental health is in need of a tune-up with a good therapist, that might be a start for you. An open opportunity. Become the recipient of therapy. Tackle some of your own pit-falls, and observe self's processing of pain, hurts. Your relationships, your parents.

That's usually part of your graduate school requirements anyways.

{{Please don't elect to do it IF your Heart would not be solidly behind it. Merely meaning that to you, it wouldn't be part of your calling. Avoid the karma that results if you're pursuing it for money-purposes and are lukewarm and sorta mediocre about what you do and how you feel in it. There are too many in the field that have been misguided towards it. Clue: If you need to "force" yourself into being "convinced" that "this" is what you want to do-- then maybe that's not quite "it"? Expand your search.

There ARE Vocational Quizes and Tests you can take--- these could help you narrow down your TRUE interests. If you are near a college/university level Library, you can go in and ask the Librarian to use their computers and take the tests. Shouldn't cost you anything (except perhaps the cost of a Library Card).

The Librarians are usually very learned, and eager to assist.

The other thing to do there would be to set up an appointment to talk about the personal requirements necessary to be in the field.

For example, with Psychology:
There are several types of psychology degrees to apply to. Some take a shorter time, others will provide 'only' a focus on being a counselor (IF that's your interest-- it's a fairly new degree that began post 2000).
Visit a Guidance person in the Deans Office, or in the Psychology Department for queries.
Some universities have Sororities FOR students attending to become a Professional. The young women there might be happy to sit and talk about their schooling, and what that's been like for them-- and about their goals.

Oh gosh... I'm going LONG on this!

Bottom-line: Get your head off the chart for a just a LITTLE bit of time, and get your butt OUT there. Get 'the feel' of what's going on out-there in your part of the world. Go talk to Living People... .... Gently THEN, you can look at the chart again, but with being wiser about the energetics behind your wishes, wants, and needs.

MUCH Love to you Kahraman.
Big hugs!!!

Spend the month of January just-exploring the various ideas you've been having. Go on little mini-trips, and VISIT places where you think you might have an interest.

There are ALWAYS people around places like those, who love to be of help to people asking questions about their field.

Big Hugs!!! And Happy New Year, Dear Heart!

__________
Edit to ADD, that there are New Discoveries being made in the world right now. This world is Changing!! Try not to be in too much despair, because AS these discoveries come, there are new opportunities.
We're all 'wired' for "something."
"For Such A Time as This!"

Be Patient. Stay Diligent and Watchful of what's Happening in the World.
Perhaps there is 'something' Waiting for you to find it. Don't stop searching. Believe.

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posted January 10, 2022 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am a counselor:

Venus conjunct Mars in the 8th
Venus rules my 10th
Mars rules my 4th

Saturn in Scorpio conjuncts Pluto in Libra in the 10th

Northnode in gemini in the 6th
Chiron in gemini in the 6th

Chart ruler Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 12th

Sun in Virgo in the 9th rules the 8th

Mercury in virgo parallels pluto

Moon in Pisces in the 3rd

I love what I do. Clients sometime say it must be hard what you do and I tell them I love what I do.

My dad was in this field too, sun in cappy, moon in virgo, mars in Libra, venus opposite pluto but no tob.

I think the 3rd house will be involved too bc is a career centered around communication and the 6th house bc is a career centered around service.

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posted January 10, 2022 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have Venus and Mercury in the 8th house and I've thought about being a Psychologist. But at my age, I think it's too late with all the schooling that's involved.

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Is it ever too late for your purpose in life?

It's either part of your purpose in life or it's just a hypothetical interest.

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posted January 10, 2022 04:13 PM            

I like what Amy said as a basic comparison of the 8th & 12th.

I'll point to a naturalist view of this as well. Planets in the 12th house have just risen, like the sun at sunrise. They represent a shift from the personally held, subjective, internal energies of the 1st house to a place above the horizon in the objective world. They are planetary energies rising (gaining), but needing to interface appropriately with the external world.

The 8th placements are in the 1/3 time segment mid-way between noon and sundown. That space follows the planets' prior rise to their height (midheaven) and are in decline. A balance is implied between ideals and outreach to others to get there. Partnership is implied.

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posted January 10, 2022 04:35 PM            

Comet of Deliverance - Charles Eisenstein

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posted January 11, 2022 08:33 AM            

Many therapists are there for the wrong reasons. Many are there because they are really, really screwed up.

I would call this "swimming" in their dysfunction. They may appear to help people but actually, they are not able to.

Some people are there for the right persons, too.

A person who is swimming in their own "unhealed" mess cannot help others.

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posted January 16, 2022 03:21 PM            

Admittedly, it's a small sample size, but the point is to follow your own lasting urge in a particular direction over abstractions about an astrological factor.

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posted January 18, 2022 02:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Only 8 out of 19 of the timed charts from the first page of 'psychologist' search at Astrodatabank have at least one placement (planet or lunar node) in the 8th house. It's not a single indicator for whether a person will be or should be a psychologist. http://www.astro.com/wiki/astro-databan k/index.php?search=psychologist&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=de2b74wf4bsp5viupmr0codcj

Admittedly, it's a small sample size, but the point is to follow your own lasting urge in a particular direction over abstractions about an astrological factor.

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