posted January 01, 2022 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:

Depending on his AC I wouldn't be so sure babe *flashing the gold tooth*

Still feeling this energy connection/one-ness strongly, very unusual..

I can't open your charts though, the links work, but the charts don't appear.
And I'm still not sure about posting mine in the open...

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posted January 01, 2022 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
There are a couple logic issues with the above. Mars is not known to particularly indicate much alteration of height in relation to the Rising Sign. It may indicate a very slight increase in height when involved with Yin/feminine Rising Signs, but not much.

Problem is, Virgo, while probably the tallest of the Yin/Feminine Signs in the archetypal sense, it's still not a "tall" indication by any means. Virgo in an archetypal sense ranges from slightly below average to slightly above. So say in an American male, from like around 5' 6 to 5'10 or so.

My full brother happens to have early Virgo Rising cusping Leo with early Virgo Venus Mars conjunction closely conjuncting his Asc with Venus slightly closer, and his Mercury (chart ruler) is like 0* Libra. Facially he is definitely above average looking and above average charming/attractive personality. Growing up, he was always very slim/skinny and somewhat slight--high metabolism, but he had a wiry-muscular strength. He has a medium-light skin tone--can tan fairly well and has a slight reddish undertone to his skin--almost like some eastern Native American tribes, has medium brown hair, and green eyes (medium darkness).

In his late teens, he started working out and started to bulk up more, and started to more match my more natural Leonine physique (I've always just had developed muscles in my arms, and built muscle easily though I never seriously worked at it). He's like 5' 7" to 5' 7.5". Again, Mars is closely conjunct his Asc.

Hugh Jackman on the other hand in his youth seems to have been somewhere between 6' 2" and 6' 3" (and it's safe to assume that since he is now in his 50's, he probably has started to lose a bit of that height). The average height for Aussie males is 5' 10", hence is fairly above average height.

That's a Jupiter symbolism/indication, not a Mars thing, especially not to that degree.

Also, his energy does not strike me as a predominant Martian. People who are predomiant Martians tend to have a lot of red energy in their aura, and tend to be rather self centered/self serving and it's not uncommon for them to be downright clinically/pathologically narcissistic, tend to have a definite temper, tend to be very focused on the material, tend to have very high sex drive, tend to be above average muscular and/or athletic (especially the males).

With him, I get more of a calm, older Soul, spiritual seeker vibe that is much better aligned to that close Jupiter Pluto conjunction conjunct his Asc, but Pluto would indicate some definite intensity. And both Jupiter and Pluto are far deeper than Mars, which is far more 2 dimensional.

With all that said, I do think it's likely that Mars is moderately to widely conjunct his Asc still, but not predominant, like that Jupiter-Pluto combo. He really does have a very deep, sensitive, and spiritual side to him and that is just not Mars AT ALL in the slightest. Male Martians tend to be most interested in screwing, eating, making money, and "winning" over others--they are often highly competitive and ego driven. Jackman is far to agreeable, calm, cooperative, humble, etc to be a predominant Martian.

Aries is a bit better in these regards, and more intellectual focused than predominant Planetary Mars, but still has some of the above traits and tendencies of Mars, unless cusping Pisces or Taurus strongly, or strongly counter balanced by strong, more Yin symbols. Hence, Aries doesn't particular fit all that well either holistically.

Also Aries in caucasians tends much more to the Celtic to Slavic type look (in the archetypal sense). Reddish tinted hair and freckles is not uncommon, curly hair is not uncommon, more gray to hazel eyes is not uncommon, and a pronounced more V shaped face is not uncommon. If he had Aries Rising, there wouldn't be anything to to indicate a strong altering of that towards how he does actually look, and if the Sun was opposed his Asc, if anything, that would indicate an even more Celtic type look, towards the Leonine like, which he doesn't look Leo much except for his long back and wide shoulders. In the face, he doesn't look Leo AT all. I'll share what a classic, archetypal Leo looks like below.

And Saturn, while it would indicate more melanation/pigment, it would also indicate a shortening of height and more slight/slender build, with a weaker vitality and constitution than Aries normally has.

Contrary to popular perception, he is not heavily muscled naturally. What we see in pics like In the Stars has shared, is A LOT of working out with various kinds of common Hollywood juicing (a cocktail of both androgen type hormone analogues as well as HGH type stuff). Most popular male hollywood actors use illegal to barely legal enhancing substances to bulk up--extremely common. After all, there is like a handful of trainers that consistently work with most of these guys, that are more so hired and paid by the studios and corporate folks, rather than by the actors themselves.

Usually it goes something like this, "this will be your trainer, do everything he/she tells you to do." And again, from everything I've read, very few of these guys are completely natural all the time. Unless you are a genetic freak, you just cannot bulk up that much in the short to shortish times required for these actors to do so, no matter how much you lift/work out (in fact, too much working out can reduce overall gains if there is not outside hormonal help).

Classic, more archetypal Leo male face--Rising not strongly altered and in middle of Sign:

You can't tell so much in these pics, but the eyes are more a fairly light gray blue color, sometimes with a greenish tint.

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You're a genius! You've totally convinced me he's Virgo Ascendant. I also agree he is displaying Pluto and Jupiter aspects on his Ascendant. The first video below is a scene from the movie Prisoners. Of course, actors are supposed to act, but you can tell from his performance that a lot of what he's expressing is truly reflective of him. His anger and passion in this scene is more than just Mars - it's Plutonic depth. You can see it in his eyes.

You can skip to the last minute in the second video, around 3:50. He's listening to the woman sing during this rehearsal, grabs her hand, openly cries, seems all very genuine and deeply felt. That's Scorpio-ish to me.

posted January 01, 2022 09:49 PM            

I agree that he doesn't look like a Leo at all, but he has this Sun/Leo vibe and behaviour, look how he acts while he's conducting the choir :
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PluaPvhkIMU

A leader with positive authority, fire and spontaneous creativity, also in his body language.

Plus motivating/energizing the whole choir a lot with enthusiasm and joy of a Sag...

His face looks most like a Libra I find, but more like Sag (horse) than like Leo (cat/Lion) for sure.

posted January 01, 2022 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by InTheStars:
You're a genius! You've totally convinced me he's Virgo Ascendant. I also agree he is displaying Pluto and Jupiter aspects on his Ascendant. The first video below is a scene from the movie Prisoners. Of course, actors are supposed to act, but you can tell from his performance that a lot of what he's expressing is truly reflective of him. His anger and passion in this scene is more than just Mars - it's Plutonic depth. You can see it in his eyes.

You can skip to the last minute in the second video, around 3:50. He's listening to the woman sing during this rehearsal, grabs her hand, openly cries, seems all very genuine and deeply felt. That's Scorpio-ish to me.

http://youtu.be/5zooQSyenyE
http://youtu.be/XLFEvHWD_NE?t=231

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Unfortunately, 3 points below 160--close but no cigars. And there is no Nobel prize for astrology that I'm aware of..so..doesn't really matter.

I agree with you that Pluto and Scorpio tend to have very intense and/or deep emotions, but ime, they also tend to have a hard time actually showing it and being vulnerable (except to the people they are closest to and most trust). That's more Jupiter. Jupiter is far more open and expressive than Pluto, but both are deep feeling and sensitive.

Aura color wise, very powerful Jupiter often corresponds to colors like regular purple to royal purples, and Pluto to like aubergine type, very deep/darkish reddish purple colors (when more positive). Interestingly, both are a mix of red and blue, but Pluto has more red to blue balance and is a much deeper saturation and tone.

posted January 01, 2022 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
Didn't see your posts yet while typing, In the Stars...
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I agree that he doesn't look like a Leo at all, but he has this Sun/Leo vibe and behaviour, look how he acts while he's conducting the choir .

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If he does have Virgo Rising, then his chart ruler, Mercury would be in Libra widely conjunct Libra Sun. That would bring in a bit of a "Leo like" vibe and flavor to his personality/character, but the Sun is too far away from Mercury to indicate a strong or even moderate alteration of the Virgo Rising archetype.

Hence, yes, it does seem to fit holistically so far. Next would to be to look up his closest relationships and see how that fits with Virgo Rising. Then check major life events to transits and progressions. These would most likely either confirm or contradict depending on if it's accurate or not. However, that's some major work with some definite time and thought, and this subject is just not important enough to me to devote that kind of time and energy to.

posted January 01, 2022 10:10 PM            

I meant the energy one-ness between him and me in certain areas where the energy is similar/same...
I was describing something like that in an earlier post.

posted January 01, 2022 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
If he does have Virgo Rising, then his chart ruler, Mercury would be in Libra widely conjunct Libra Sun. That would bring in a bit of a "Leo like" vibe and flavor to his personality/character, but the Sun is too far away from Mercury to indicate a strong or even moderate alteration of the Virgo Rising archetype.

Hence, yes, it does seem to fit holistically so far. Next would to be to look up his closest relationships and see how that fits with Virgo Rising. Then check major life events to transits and progressions. These would most likely either confirm or contradict depending on if it's accurate or not. However, that's some major work with some definite time and thought, and this subject is just not important enough to me to devote that kind of time and energy to.

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posted January 01, 2022 10:26 PM            

Strong 4th House overlays are not uncommon in marriages, and are only behind 1st-7th House axis interconnections/overlays in particularly close and committed type connections. Predominantly straight women particularly seem to like when a man captures her important/sensitive points in his 4th.

posted January 01, 2022 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by InTheStars:
Well, I'm convinced. I personally think you hit the nail on the head so no more research is needed anyway. I didn't know that about Jupiter - I always thought Jupiter felt "widely, openly" but not also "deeply." Interesting and cool! Also edited out the personal pics in my other quoted post. Thank you so much for your insightful analysis!

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Jupiter very much co-rules and is very much still involved in with the deepest and most deep feeling sign of the Zodiac--Pisces. However, Jupiter is not quite as "watery" as Pisces is, and has more Fire and Yang energy to it, and Fire has intense emotions in its own ways, just different than Water. But Water and Fire Signs and energies are the most emotional and intense feeling.

Pisces doesn't have the raw intensity of emotion that Scorpio and Leo does, but often is deeper, more empathic, more compassionate, more idealistic, and/or more spiritually focused.

So yes, I would say that Jupiter does tend to be rather deep thinking and feeling, as indicated by his co-rulership of the Sign Pisces.

posted January 02, 2022 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by InTheStars:
Haha, oddly enough, it's not a movie! I mean, I saw him Prisoners years ago - one of my favorite movies in the world and a very Plutonic movie overall, and I loved his performance of course but that was it...I loved the artistry of the movie. But, I've been into tarot lately and was doing a self-read for the qualities of my future spouse. One card - The Hanged Man - popped out and others cheekily said it could mean he's from Australia (he's upside down = Great Down Under). That reminded me of the actor Hugh Jackman, and I for the first time watched some interviews of him and became smitten. Lol, I should clarify, I do not think I'm going to marry Hugh Jackman LMAO, but even with other celeb crushes I've had that've come and gone, the energy with my pull to him feels different. Not obsession - like he's representing or embodying qualities I think my future spouse will be like and what I think I want from a future spouse. Interesting, huh?

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posted January 02, 2022 09:51 AM            

Perhaps would be more simple to say, like Scorpio but more empathic, spiritual, more open, service oriented, deeper, and a bit more go with the flow. Or like Pisces but more active, more intense, more self/stronger willed, and/or a little more ego. Either one would be fairly accurate.

(...or you could say, a virgin fish with definite teeth... )

And to further back up that somewhat Pisces like attunement with very strong Jupiter (but with a Scorpio like twist), he also has his Sun and chart ruler's ruler, Venus, in Scorpio conjunct Neptune--which the combo of is quite Pisces like, but perhaps a bit more intense and willful. Actually this is a bit of a repeating pattern here.

posted January 02, 2022 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Hi InTheStars,

Next time I talk to him, will let my dad know that you appreciate his song.

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posted January 02, 2022 10:43 AM            

Perhaps at some point.

posted January 02, 2022 01:27 PM            

Like the songs, specially the lyrics and your voice in the last one...🛸

I understood all your both's logical sounding, good ideas, but want to add another possibility, based partly on my intuitive perceptions :

IntheStars, since I watched your videos with the movie and the choir scene today, I can see where you both are coming from about his (in my view quite evolved seeming, beautiful) Scorpio energies.

He has also an aspect figure called a cradle,
with two attached to eachother yod figures ('finger of God'),
one of them with an opposition point even (makes it a mission with a strong motivation).
Focus point is Saturn in Aries in this yod.
Opposition point is the midpoint of the Sun-Mercury-conjunction in Libra, the midpoint is slightly closer to the Sun.
The base sextile is on one side the midpoint of the Neptune-Venus-conjunction in Scorpio with nice asteroids in the area (I put some in),
on the other side the tight Jupiter-Pluto-conjunction in Virgo.

So that's quite some Scorpio Energy...

Additionally the other yod in the cradle has Venus in Scorpio as it's focus point.
No opposition point, Saturn and Moon at the base,
depending on the exact position of the Moon.

If the AC is Virgo, there is no second yod and no cradle, no focus point in Venus, because of the position of the Moon.

Before I even looked at this cradle today,
I had already yesterday evening the feeling about strong Sag and/or Leo in the AC somehow,
so I tried some possible placements and while I tried some in Sag I got a slight clairvoyant feeling/vision about 8.44 a.m. Sydney time. Now that I'm writing this I feel something again.
It feels at the right place there in my vision/perception.

That would put the AC on 20°17' Sag and the Moon at 19°18' Gemini and in that case he would have the second yod and the cradle.

Also with AC in Virgo he would have the Moon exactly on the interpolated Lilith, and that doesn't seem to fit in my view.

With my proposed AC his Moon would be on his DC and would more exactly trine his Sun,
his Sun would sextile his AC, I can feel specially that strongly...

his MC would be in the first degree of Virgo,
Mars nearby in the tenth,
Part of Fortune even a bit closer in the ninth, in Leo, which would additionally explain his extatic joy while performing in public and/or creatively conducting a choir.

I tried to post that chart, but didn't succeed.
Could somebody maybe please post it for me ?

I added Part of Fortune, h21 and h22 for interpolated Lilith and Priapus, Juno (these last two are conjunct in Scorpio), 3811 Karma, 4227 Kaali, Vertex, Chiron, Ceres, Pholus, Eris, Vesta, Pallas, Quaoar, Varuna, south node.

All asteroids without numbers are in that left side field at Astro.com anyway.

Thanks a lot. 💐

posted January 02, 2022 03:04 PM            

The Part of Fortune moves very fast, so this constellation would only accur at this specific time.

posted January 02, 2022 04:38 PM            

"Also with AC in Virgo he would have the Moon exactly on the interpolated Lilith, and that doesn't seem to fit in my view." What exactly does this mean and why doesn't it seem to fit for you?