posted May 01, 2022 09:12 PM            

Sun is domicile in Leo, so being a Leo sun is a massive advantage but obviously your natal chart is more than your sun sign.

Moon is domicile in Cancer and exalted in Taurus, it's possible for a Leo to have a moon in either sign because the moon changes signs so often.

Mercury is domicile in Gemini and exalted in Virgo. Mercury can never be a sign apart from the sun. So the only way to have a Gemini Mercury other than being a Gemini is if you are a Taurus or Cancer. The only way to have a Virgo Mercury other than being a Virgo is if you are a Leo or Libra.

Now comes Venus which is domicile in Taurus and Libra while being exalted in Pisces. Venus can never be two signs away from the sun which means that a Leo sun can still have a Libra Venus, where it is domicile.

Now we look at the last inner planet, Mars. Once again, Mars is sort of like the moon. If you look at it this way, it is possible for a Leo sun individual to have a domicile Mars.

posted May 01, 2022 09:16 PM            

the moon for any sun sign can be in cancer or taurus so this point is meaningless

also you're putting too much weight on exaltations and debilitations anyway

i have an exalted mars, does **** all

posted May 01, 2022 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
objectively the sun is exalted in aries

the moon for any sun sign can be in cancer or taurus so this point is meaningless

also you're putting too much weight on exaltations and debilitations anyway

i have an exalted mars, does **** all

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exalted mars > Domicile mars

posted May 01, 2022 10:34 PM            

Astrology is not that clean cut as you think. It the whole chart itself.

In my opinion, the placement/aspects is more important than the sign of the planets. You can have a planet in exalted sign, but if it weak or block or badly aspects, then that so called "exalted" won't be able to perform at it level.

posted May 01, 2022 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
So they say that there is more to it than sun signs right? Well, that is correct and I agree. Yet, the sun impacts other planets such as Mercury for instance as Mercury can NEVER be a sign apart from the sun itself. So I have been thinking and realized something, it is possible for someone with a Leo sun to have quite a few planets domicile or exalted in their chart. See, this is what I mean.

Sun is domicile in Leo, so being a Leo sun is a massive advantage but obviously your natal chart is more than your sun sign.

Moon is domicile in Cancer and exalted in Taurus, it's possible for a Leo to have a moon in either sign because the moon changes signs so often.

Mercury is domicile in Gemini and exalted in Virgo. Mercury can never be a sign apart from the sun. So the only way to have a Gemini Mercury other than being a Gemini is if you are a Taurus or Cancer. The only way to have a Virgo Mercury other than being a Virgo is if you are a Leo or Libra.

Now comes Venus which is domicile in Taurus and Libra while being exalted in Pisces. Venus can never be two signs away from the sun which means that a Leo sun can still have a Libra Venus, where it is domicile.

Now we look at the last inner planet, Mars. Once again, Mars is sort of like the moon. If you look at it this way, it is possible for a Leo sun individual to have a domicile Mars.

Very few signs can actually have this situation happen for them. For example, a Scorpio Sun would not be able to have a domiciled Mercury at all. A Cancer sun may be lucky but the sun is not domiciled in Cancer. I actually think Cancers are another lucky sun sign though when you think about how other domicile planets play in.

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But ANY Sun sign can have planets in their potent position. There is (by astrological design) the often overlooked value of planets in mutual reception as well as Night/Day chart factors. Both impacting the chart in a very strong way.

Sun in Cap in a Day chart when paired with a sextile aspect from Jupiter in Pisces and trine from exalted Moon in Taurus, gets stronger because of these added factors.

I didn't consider my Sun sign Sag as particularly strong.Add to that it's conj to Nep. But an astrologer pointed out that since Jup in Sag in my chart is the final dispositor for BOTH the Sun/Nep AND in the 9th house of its domicile.I shouldn't overlook how my ego and sense of self importance can be BOTH an advantage but also an issue with those in authority-impacting how far I get in my career.

The Sun( affiliated with Leo and exalted in Aries) once highlighted in the chart, tends to surface issues with authority and being told what to do. These people(barring other factors in the chart to the contrary) don't like to take orders but want to GIVE instructions. They see themselves as "the boss" and will act that way (up to the point where they clash with their work superior- the real "boss" 🤷🏿‍♂️ ).

posted May 02, 2022 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
exalted mars > Domicile mars

anyone saying otherwise is an idiot

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posted May 02, 2022 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i have an exalted mars genuis, and i'm telling you people overrate exaltations

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posted May 02, 2022 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
No they don't, it's fact, exaltation is the best place for Mars to be.

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i have it, and it doesn't work the way people write about it in my life

it doesn't just make everything as good as possible

posted May 02, 2022 11:15 AM            

Here I'm gonna quote to you what an astrology site said: [ The Dominant planet defines your personality more accurately than your Sun sign and is calculated by taking into account EVERY element of your birth chart as a whole. The dominant planet is the most powerful component of your chart. And by far the most important astrological chart of a person. It's more important than the Sun sign and Ascendant.]

This will determine what trait you have the most, as it calculate your WHOLE chart aspects. NOT just the sign.

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dominant-planets-astrology-online-calculator

Try it with your birthday/time. And find your dominant.

The reason why Dumuzi not feel his/her Mars trait (nor his Mars show all the potential), because I am willing to bet, Mars is NOT his/her dominant planet. Regardless of the sign.

posted May 02, 2022 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
To see how challenged someone’s Sun really is, it’s much better to look at the aspects and house position then to look at their Sign. Sun in Leo could be amazing unless it’s placed in the 12th house where the Sun is unable to shine properly or when its challenged by a harsh aspect from Pluto because that would create big ego issues. All from an objective point of view of course. [/B]

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Given how well you know me, shade at its finest lol

posted May 02, 2022 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I wasn't talking about any planets in potent position, I meant the one likely to have the MOST in potent position.

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No such thing as "most potent".It's been said MANY times.And will be said MANY times still, the chart is more than Sun sign alone.

posted May 02, 2022 11:32 PM            

Since you have a sun in Leo, you have the greatest potential to have so many of your inner planets in the ideal sign which they rule. You don't really get with most other signs except for maybe a Cancer sun but even then, sun is not domicile in Cancer.

At this point if you are not agreeing with me, it is due to some personal bias against fire signs. We can't quickly start with the participation trophy mindset when the same astrologers are hyping up an overrated placement like a Scorpio Mars.

posted May 02, 2022 11:36 PM            

My husband have Scorpio Mars, and he is a Martian too, Mars dominate his whole chart. And let me say, I'm his wife (of 11 years) and I still have a hard time handle his insane intensity level. He dark, possessive, obsessive, extreme, you name it all, all the dark side of Scorpio domicile Mars. Dangerous hobbies and jobs, hell, he could have a violent temper too. It not always good you know?

Mars and Sun are two very different thing. There no need to compare. And now if you want to talk about Mars, I rather have my husband have a Capricorn exalted Mars, at least it keep him grounded, instead of go to the extreme of things like Scorpio domicile.

eta: And I wouldn't underestimate Scorpio Mars.
Oprah Winfrey and Mao Zedong both have a Scorpio Mars (both have same Mars and Venus, both fixed sign). Who here would say they Oprah and Mao are not successful and driven people?

Mars is the drive to get things done, Red Communist China party leader Mao Zedong was ruthless at all cost to get his goals, killed his own people. Are Scorpio Mars always good? Absolutely not. But don't underestimate them.

posted May 03, 2022 02:06 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
.. What I say is pure fact, Leo is the best sun sign to have without any question, objectively speaking.

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posted May 03, 2022 02:52 AM            

You are not being "objective" at all here. Just a sycophant for the Zodiac Sun sign Leo. It(according to you) can do no wrong. The posts here so far suggest it.

At first I thought it was a joke.Maybe dealing with a Gemini Moon/Merc OR even Mars individual who gets a kick out of making sweeping statements? Then fanning the flames as more people chime in with oppositional opinions?

But just like ElfinPisces, you are as serious as the aftermath fuss made over that Will Smith /Chris Rock slap. Making a gush of wind to be some kind of Tsunami or hurricane 🤷🏿‍♂️

Leo Sun energy is "best" for one who has incarnated into this life to individuate themselves and learn to nurture the confidence needed to "stand out of the crowd".

But it is not "best" for every soul. Especially a soul that seeks to know itself through crisis and find its own light in the midst of loss,pain and darkness.That soul may choose Scorpio.

Being born in the sign of Leo doesn't make one soul "above" others-which I think is the very insinuation you made and fiercely object to when Astrologers make it about Sco(that part I actually agree with).

Astrologers seem overly besotted with Scorpio. Just like how you are now with Leo. And just like how ElfinPisces is with Pisces. So I can also make A Sag post and say "factually" Jupiter is the King of the Gods and therefore (by that "fact" alone) ALL Sags are infinitely superior to all other Zodiac signs🤷🏿‍♂️😁

posted May 03, 2022 11:02 AM            

The main message is I wonder why people are all of a sudden saying "uuuhhh its liek all subjective bruh" but these same people are hush hush when astrologers are spreading lies claiming one water sign is somehow the strongest. Hence my point with double standards with astrology which are just not right. No one corrects pop astrologers when they falsely claim that a fixed water sign is "strongest" but when I speak facts that Leo sun is objectively the best, which it is if we are talking facts, then people want to become all subjective PC babies.

Now to my point, hate it all you want but it's a fact, Leo is objectively the best sun sign to have. Sun sits domicile in Leo. Sure, it maybe sit exalted in Aries but if we take the rest of the chart into account (because astrologers just LOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEE to play the "butbutbut there's more to sun signs bro card), Leo is even better than Aries. An Aries sun cannot have a domiciled or exalted Mercury.

The true power of a Leo sun is not in the sun itself but rather the potential it gives for the rest of the natal chart to be ideal. I mean imagine someone with these placements:

Leo Sun
Cancer Moon
Virgo Mercury
Libra Venus
Aries/Capricorn/Scorpio Mars

I mean that is 5 inner planets sitting in their home signs! The only sign that can come close to claiming that is perhaps Cancer but then you have a sun that isn't domicile.

That was my point.

posted May 03, 2022 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
People missed my point again…

The true power of a Leo sun is not in the sun itself but rather the potential it gives for the rest of the natal chart to be ideal. I mean imagine someone with these placements:

Leo Sun
Cancer Moon
Virgo Mercury
Libra Venus
Aries/Capricorn/Scorpio Mars

I mean that is 5 inner planets sitting in their home signs! The only sign that can come close to claiming that is perhaps Cancer but then you have a sun that isn't domicile.

That was my point.

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Nope, we understood your point. Nobody is contesting that based on dignities Leo Sun is a very good placement. Because it is and it definitely has strong benefits including potentially good placements of Mercury and Venus. But the point we’re trying to make is that planetary placements in the signs are not a birth chart. House placements and aspects are much more important. And that there is no such thing as an ”ideal” chart. Not because we’re trying to be politically correct but that’s just the way astrology works.

I’ve been looking into Vedic Astrology a bit more to get a better understanding of my placements and how it impacts me. The 8th house, together with the 12th house and the 6th house, are known as Dusthana houses or houses of “hardship”. It’s not a happy placement but one author mentioned that it’s an indication of suffering but also helps us in spiritual development. “What is bad for life on Earth is good for the return to Heaven.” There is no growth without pain, so an easy chart without any challenges would not provide enough incentive to learn and become a better person. My perception of an “ideal” chart or an “ideal” life for that matter has changed a lot these last months.

posted May 03, 2022 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
That person seeems boring.

People without later sign placements are like children

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posted May 04, 2022 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Nope, we understood your point. Nobody is contesting that based on dignities Leo Sun is a very good placement. Because it is and it definitely has strong benefits including potentially good placements of Mercury and Venus. But the point we’re trying to make is that planetary placements in the signs are not a birth chart. House placements and aspects are much more important. And that there is no such thing as an ”ideal” chart. Not because we’re trying to be politically correct but that’s just the way astrology works.

I’ve been looking into Vedic Astrology a bit more to get a better understanding of my placements and how it impacts me. The 8th house, together with the 12th house and the 6th house, are known as Dusthana houses or houses of “hardship”. It’s not a happy placement but one author mentioned that it’s an indication of suffering but also helps us in spiritual development. “What is bad for life on Earth is good for the return to Heaven.” There is no growth without pain, so an easy chart without any challenges would not provide enough incentive to learn and become a better person. My perception of an “ideal” chart or an “ideal” life for that matter has changed a lot these last months.

Maybe it’s your choice of words that’s triggering. A “Leo Sun appreciation thread” probably would have had less intense reactions than this topic title. But that likely was exactly your intention. Don’t complain when you get the response you were aiming at.😁

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Yes, Yes, Yes. So well put.There is no such thing as an "ideal" chart. Each chart is individuated towards the soul's underlying purpose(highlighted also by the synastry with the Draconic chart)

The chart is chosen for the soul to incarnate in this life ,to know itself fully actualized. It's on a journey to itself. So one may look at a chart and say "so many debilitated positions. What a bad chart " etc.

But for the native, that chart is ideal for the inner agenda the soul has to know itself fully. The squares/ oppositions etc. Speak towards full actualization in this life.

I don't think that the thread starter wants to go that deep into it. Which is why I said that it seems they are into pop astrology "just add water" narratives of pitting Zodiac Sun signs against each other with Reddit type questions like "whose the best in bed?" And "who has the best breasts?" Etc. As if we are all here to "compete"🤷🏿‍♂️. And those who are "blessed" enough to have Leo Sun have already won( by Zodiac birth Sun alone)🤣.