posted May 06, 2022 10:48 PM              

Rebellious. Always seemingly thinking they are different to the world but instead of showing this by being themselves they wish to impose on others. Direction becomes pent up volatility and becomes mega angry.

Uranus is horrible when it goes bad aspected harshly to any planet as it completely warps the mind, it is noted that this instability can look exactly like mental illness.

Violence is not always suggested by squares, conjunctions or oppositions, more so they have an accumulation.

Saturn conjunct Mars, a very laid back Mars placement that is hard pushed to express themselves fully outside of the bounds of Saturn.

Saturn however can become instead of being aimed at the self and understanding your karma, aimed at everyone else, so Saturn acts out rather by limiting others and projecting their issues upon others, Saturn conjunct Mars is very volatile in this state.

Sun trine just means the sun and Mars energy do well together. The vitality is strong, not much different to sun square Mars except the square is even more determined to show it than the trine.

There are versions stating that Saturn trines only help the two planets work well together, neither instills any need on one another, they get it.

True Saturnian people have the square, Opposition or conjunction to the Sun and are the definition of a saturnian personality.

posted May 06, 2022 10:56 PM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
Thank you SeaGoat9, it not just violent, he raped me too. So it really something in his chart that trigger it.

And the odd thing is his aspects seem like a person who value freedom, this hugely inaccurate, he not even give 'himself' freedom, let alone give me freedom.

His aspects does seem like someone who value freedom right? (at least those Uranus aspects of his). But it the opposite, he very controlling, possessive, obsessive of me.

Do you think his 3 malefic in Scorpio signs (Scorpio Mars, Scorpio Saturn, Scorpio Pluto) has a play into his violence?

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Saturn works with the structure it is given.
So if the surrounding experience of his life see's holes where he can gain the ability to be an opportunist, Mars will act it out without any second thought.

Mars in Scorpio are usually controlled, but Saturn cannot control Mars, Pluto can.
Pluto controls Mars and everything it touches on a deeply psychological level.

Where is Pluto in his chart? what does it touch?

Saturn in Scorpio means this person will likely get sexually transmitted diseases if they go too far.

Has this person served time yet? Saturn needs to be able to limit this person and help them face their problems to make the person a better person.

In a conjunction this seems unlikely, Saturn is weak in Scorpio.

posted May 06, 2022 11:08 PM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
His Scorpio Pluto in 4th house. His Venus in 8th house. His Scorpio Mars Conjunction Scorpio Saturn in 5th house, and his 5th house is Scorpio sign ruler on 5th house Cusp.

The thing is Saturn is not at home in Scorpio. His Mars and Pluto however is.

But he violent. He can be very patience, but once it flare up, it BIG, like BIG. Like I don't even recognize him anymore.

Maybe I shouldn't blame it on his Scorpio Mars. But more like his Uranus aspects. I do have a feeling Uranus is the culprit to his violent temper though.

Thank you again SeaGoat9, I'm sorry with my questions, I know your time is precious. It just so frustrated me that I can't figure out what aspects of his can caused it.
Beside I was told his Mars is strong (I have few people helped read his chart), and that he has an impulse. But none told me there any violent aspects in there.

But the thing is he is violent.

Thank you again so much for your help.

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If it helps any, I have Uranus trine Moon and Mars, my moon and Mars are in the opposite sign of Taurus and I have Pluto in Scorpio in my 8th.

I can be extremely ruthless and dictatorial, I have hurt people but when I was young, I am talking between 12-25 years old. Took years to unlearn my parents ways.

I don't need to be told anything, I accept people are who they are, I am who I am, I don't have to be like others, I can let my spirit be free by simply being.

My father has Uranus square Mercury and he is not at all genius or at all mentally sound, was violent and hurt us as kids.

Saturn is opposite his Mars and in a T-square with his Libra Moon.

Mars with Saturn can feel weak, so instead of becoming stronger, they let their ego take over and try to dominate others in any way they can.

Rape is a sort of dominance / submission thing and feeling like you can get away with anything, I noticed my father likes BDSM but has never actually lived it out... Mars in Cancer is in it's fall in his chart and hates coming across as sexual, so all his rage came out on us as kids.

He is also racist, homophobic and single minded in everything. Also is not very intelligent, tries to control people, he only has Venus and Mercury in Scorpio.

posted May 06, 2022 11:17 PM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
I'm sure that Uranus and Scorpio Mars has alot to shape up his character. The MOST controlling, determination, and Domineering man I ever seen. Do things his ways and ONLY his ways. Freedom is not a word in his dictionary, it all about possessiveness and obsessed.

But his aspects does said he value freedom though, those Uranus aspects show he likes freedom and want freedom. But the thing is he never give freedom even to himself, let alone give me freedom.

It just so weird. Like nothing in his chart I can explain his behavior.

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Freedom is fully in his dictionary and it is only for him.
Freedom does not mean it is for everyone else.

Depends where Uranus is too, is this in Leo?

My father has Uranus in Leo, he loves his freedom and will lie and make up stories, mentally warped.

posted May 06, 2022 11:22 PM            

These are interpretations for sun aspects to Mars in the birth chart. Among all the aspects formed by the Sun, Sun-Mars aspects are the most rare because they happen with very little frequency.

Sun trine Mars: When Mars forms a trine aspect to the sun, this makes you confidently assertive in going after what you desire to manifest. Your ability to assert yourself and pursue the fulfillment of your needs and desires is strengthened through the energy of your Sun in trine aspect to Mars. Bold and confident, people born during the Sun trine Mars aspect can transform their aggressiveness and competitive nature into creative, etc..

Those with Sun square Mars: in their charts have faced conflict, they have faced having their need to assert themselves blocked. Their parents may have done as much as they could to “tame” what they felt to be excess energy or aggression.
Nevertheless, people with can meet up with more than their share of conflict, and they can most certainly rub people the wrong way. They are very motivated to get things done, to take action rather than simply talk about something, and to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible. Those who know them quite well might describe these people as hot-headed and temperamental at times. They are easily frustrated, and they’re given to impulsive actions and assertion of their wills.

posted May 06, 2022 11:25 PM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
His Uranus is in Sagittarius. The most freedom sign of Uranus can be in.

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Sagittarius is all about freedom for themselves, it is also about spiritual freedom.

Sagittarius is not the most free at all because it is at the expense of others, just as Libra or Aquarius are at the expense of the self, when Libra and Aquarius are for the self though they warp the Sun and Moon characteristics into manipulation to appear a certain way which the Sun and Moon lose their meaning.

All I can say is, your man or this man is very dangerous and someone needs to wake him up to reality where people will hurt him, usually serving time in a jail does the best job, after that I guess there is a good beating or even death.

Freedom does not exist, which is why Saturn rules such repressed signs.. Capricorn and Aquarius.

Away from humans you then need rules to survive or that bear will hit you once and you have lost a limb. The wolf will find you with his pack and eat for lunch, your blood scent was yummy.

posted May 06, 2022 11:39 PM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
SeaGoat9, please can you help look at my 4 years old toddler chart for me please. I posted in the Personal Reading,
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/026791.html

please, thank you so much. Seem like this toddler son of mine inherited the temper from his father.

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No, in truth the person has inhereted the struggle between his own deep feelings and his wants, both of you express emotional volatility and immaturity so the child reacts to his by learning how to be in order to function, when older this sticks and this person don't realize this is a problem until he is in relationships with others, where their volatility and bad temper end up hurting those they never wanted to hurt.

Moon square Mars in your child's natal.

You seem accepting of the fathers abuse, so openly allow it whilst crying that he is a bad person.

I am interested in your full chart if you have it at hand.

posted May 06, 2022 11:59 PM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
Here is my chart, I posted in the Personal Reading too. I'm a Lunarian (Moon dominant).

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/026774.html

I did the Synastry between me and my son, me and my so have a great synastry.

Now the synastry between him and his Scorpio Mars dominant father, is a different story.

Seem like this toddler of mine inherited traits from me too. I'm Gemini Sun, Pisces Moon. My toddler is Pisces Moon, Pisces Venus, Sagittarius Mars, Gemini Rising! And 10th house Stellium like me.

But my Lunar Moon blind me. With my toddler it does not. My toddler Sagittarius Mars square every single Pisces planets in his birth chart (including squared his Moon).

I don't know if it me or my husband that gave our toddler the Moon Square Mars. The person that have temper is my husband, not me.

The thing is, my toddler chart his Moon Conjunction Venus. But then Moon Squared Mars at the same time.
From what I read, Moon conjunction Venus. Moon shows the mother figure in the natal and often such people have good and loving relationships with mom.

So how can you have natal aspect Moon Conjunction Venus (which is a good aspect) at 2 degree A tight orb,
But then Moon Squared Mars -4 degree S.

Such conflict.

I'm the mom here, I'm the Moon in my son chart.

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My mum and dad were both not capable, I ended up with the Moon conjunct Mars and opposite Pluto.

My brother is an Aries Mars with Aquarius Moon with Pluto square Moon, my youngest sister is a Virgo Moon with Moon square Pluto in sagittarius and Aries Mars.

My oldest sister is an Aquarius sun with Moon in Leo and Moon square Pluto and Mars in Scorpio and Sun square those too.

The common theme here is Martian themes, strong Mars from two weak Mars parents wand Pluto dominance.

I am assuming the chart you gave is not your mans chart then? I was talking about your chart and what leads to violence? Because his chart is apparently the same as yours.

posted May 07, 2022 12:09 AM              

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Originally posted by married11years:
You asked me "my" full chart here. English is not my native language but I think I read it right.

That link is my full chart. This is My birth chart. And I'm sorry but I'm not Pluto dominant, my Pluto is in Libra (not even at home Pluto sign). I am Moon and Mercury dominant. My chart below say it.

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There seems to be a theme of hidden trauma that both you and your man need to go through, your Pluto in Libra relies on others, Pluto in Scorpio is in it's own dignity, it needs no one.

What I can see here though is that you both had a child and was likely very much not planned, or at least you never heeded the bigger problems ahead of you, which Jupiter in Capricorn is fallen in your chart, the responsibility of bringing up a child is about resolving conflict in yourself and relationship, but it seems you have never done this and are using the man as a way to learn from, it helps to explain why you are still together even after the supposed "rape" and the child is not in the picture much except that you wish to understand his anger issues.

Because then the child is at the least a person who is linked to the father, Libra always want to appear sweet and the better half, you are not doing your shadow work, you are finding others you can unload your emotional turmoil on, just that this guy is perfect for a co-dependent relationship.

Sounds karmic, but now you spread your own karma to your child.

You are splitting the child as better with you but worse with him based on astrology.

Chiron in 10th, responsibility is a problem for you.

posted May 07, 2022 01:07 AM            

https://vedichealing.com/mars-saturn-conjunction-scorpio/

It wrote in the history of what happened in the world during this conjunction.
Historical Mars Saturn conjunction in Scorpio, in the link.

It said this: [ As the two great malefics, Mars and Saturn together is akin to driving with one foot on the gas and one foot on the brakes simultaneously. With a Mars Saturn conjunction in Scorpio, fire and ice collide.

Mars is the hot planet of aggression, ambition, competition, action, and conflict. Saturn is the cold planet of obstruction, challenges, delays, discipline, responsibility, and adversity. The battlefield is the intense, deep sign of Scorpio. Scorpio can represent transformation through crisis.