posted June 01, 2022 03:46 AM            

I have found that women were often my biggest bullies ( a few men here and there) not just in school but in the workplace as well. I also have a bad relationship with my mother so I’m wondering if this might be the reason for these problems.

posted June 01, 2022 06:04 AM            

Venus represents the feminine( the Moon too). And so the opposition of Plu to Ven could suggest a dissonance between your own sense of what "femininity" is and you.

This could be caused by a number of things that may include what you may have experienced in childhood. Maybe you had a manipulative feminine figure who told you that you were "ugly" or not a "real girl"? Maybe your saw the role of a woman in society as being one way and you felt completely disengage from that because it just wasn't how you felt yourself to be internally?

Some people (esp women) with ven-Plu opp may suffer self esteem issues because of body images and the way they view themselves v.s what " feminine" is I.e my breasts are too small. My arms are too "masculine", my legs are too chunky etc.I just don't conform to the "fem" label and am therefore "ugly" etc.

Whilst others go the other way and totally resent the whole notion that worth(for a woman) is largely attached to looks/beauty? So they rebel against such norms by doing the exact opposite of what a woman is "supposed" to do and how she is "supposed" to dress/act.

The above stances may largely complicate the relationship that Ven-Plu women have with other women- which is actually a reflection of the relationship they(Ven-Pluto opp women) have with their own divine feminine.

If the Ven-Plu woman has physical traits that are deemed desirable, she will be the envy of women up to a point where there is hatred/jealousy and even outright violence from those women against her. She may (for instance) even face enmity from someone she thought was her "best friend".

If she is insecure about her looks OR doesn't have the physical traits deemed "desirable", she will feel easily threatened around other women and find being in their space uncomfortable-because she is comparing her physical appeal to them. She may also end up being a troll and picking apart other women's looks and devaluing them in that way.

If she is the type to abandon her "feminine" prescribed role and dress/act in a manner opposed to how "ladies" are supposed to be, she may create enmity with other women(and men) who will clash with her and impose their beliefs on what "womanhood" is on to her.

Sometimes it can go the other way around where she imposes her beliefs on to others and believes in the absolute rightness of women's rights and will become an activist to do away with societal rules that seek to overpower women.

posted June 01, 2022 07:08 AM            

whenever i have an issue with someone irl 95% of the time they're a woman and my venus is aspected very differently than yours and in a completely different spot

my venus is in libra (in tropical anyway) conjunct my ascendant and southnode it's opposite my moon, square my mars and trine both uranus and mercury (my moon, mercury, uranus and venus form a kite along my ascendant/descendant axis and my venus/moon/mars form a t-square that hits my ic)

astrology wise the only thing i can think of in my chart that can indicate this difficulty that you may share is i have my moon in revati nakshatra in vedic

i've seen it come up that revati can create tension between a person and members of their sex, so if you have anything that falls there that might do it

but as far as western goes i assume the opposition to pluto is probably the issue (pluto touching venus often has a big effect from what i've seen though i'm most familiar with the conjunction) the positive aspects likely soften things for you and it may be much worse otherwise

posted June 01, 2022 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Yes, female dominated environment is often a snake pond by itself. Generally, men are more supportive toward each other and don’t rat and complain as much.

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posted June 07, 2022 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The opp to Pluto is by far THE most telling of your tumultuous relationship with women.

Venus represents the feminine( the Moon too). And so the opposition of Plu to Ven could suggest a dissonance between your own sense of what "femininity" is and you.

This could be caused by a number of things that may include what you may have experienced in childhood. Maybe you had a manipulative feminine figure who told you that you were "ugly" or not a "real girl"? Maybe your saw the role of a woman in society as being one way and you felt completely disengage from that because it just wasn't how you felt yourself to be internally?

Some people (esp women) with ven-Plu opp may suffer self esteem issues because of body images and the way they view themselves v.s what " feminine" is I.e my breasts are too small. My arms are too "masculine", my legs are too chunky etc.I just don't conform to the "fem" label and am therefore "ugly" etc.

Whilst others go the other way and totally resent the whole notion that worth(for a woman) is largely attached to looks/beauty? So they rebel against such norms by doing the exact opposite of what a woman is "supposed" to do and how she is "supposed" to dress/act.

The above stances may largely complicate the relationship that Ven-Plu women have with other women- which is actually a reflection of the relationship they(Ven-Pluto opp women) have with their own divine feminine.

If the Ven-Plu woman has physical traits that are deemed desirable, she will be the envy of women up to a point where there is hatred/jealousy and even outright violence from those women against her. She may (for instance) even face enmity from someone she thought was her "best friend".

If she is insecure about her looks OR doesn't have the physical traits deemed "desirable", she will feel easily threatened around other women and find being in their space uncomfortable-because she is comparing her physical appeal to them. She may also end up being a troll and picking apart other women's looks and devaluing them in that way.

If she is the type to abandon her "feminine" prescribed role and dress/act in a manner opposed to how "ladies" are supposed to be, she may create enmity with other women(and men) who will clash with her and impose their beliefs on what "womanhood" is on to her.

Sometimes it can go the other way around where she imposes her beliefs on to others and believes in the absolute rightness of women's rights and will become an activist to do away with societal rules that seek to overpower women.

She will do the above in an extreme and often forceful way that will have others put their backs up.

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posted June 07, 2022 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i think a lot of women are just like that with women tbh, been my experience

whenever i have an issue with someone irl 95% of the time they're a woman and my venus is aspected very differently than yours and in a completely different spot

my venus is in libra (in tropical anyway) conjunct my ascendant and southnode it's opposite my moon, square my mars and trine both uranus and mercury (my moon, mercury, uranus and venus form a kite along my ascendant/descendant axis and my venus/moon/mars form a t-square that hits my ic)

astrology wise the only thing i can think of in my chart that can indicate this difficulty that you may share is i have my moon in revati nakshatra in vedic

i've seen it come up that revati can create tension between a person and members of their sex, so if you have anything that falls there that might do it

but as far as western goes i assume the opposition to pluto is probably the issue (pluto touching venus often has a big effect from what i've seen though i'm most familiar with the conjunction) the positive aspects likely soften things for you and it may be much worse otherwise

men are much easier to get along with generally i've noticed, men or women who don't tend to get along with other women

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posted June 07, 2022 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The 7th is open enemies. The 6th is pets, health, everyday responsibilities.

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posted June 07, 2022 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Yes, female dominated environment is often a snake pond by itself. Generally, men are more supportive toward each other and don’t rat and complain as much. I wish women could have each other backs like that.

I think Venus 6th would sway you toward working in female dominated environment. Pluto would bring the enemy part.

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posted June 07, 2022 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Love to help others unless a lot of hard aspects to it

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posted June 07, 2022 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The 7th is open enemies. The 6th is pets, health, everyday responsibilities.

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posted June 07, 2022 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by 93nov:
My ex had Venus in Taurus in the 6th opposite Pluto in the 12h. He was an enigma indeed... and still is lol.

He charmed my pants right off and then left me for dead after sucking all the life out of me. The relationship was very exciting, but highly unstable. From the information I gathered, based on conversations and past exes, his relationships run in 3 year cycles.. because that's the longest he can stand being intimate with a woman.

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posted June 07, 2022 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Thank you for the correction, I had an astrologer tell me that 6th house was open enemies, but maybe because 6th is opposite 12th (the house of secret enemies) it could still hold true a little.

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Perhaps, but I've experienced the whole "open enemy" thing in relation to the 7th. I did so with a man who had his Aqua NN in my 7th conjunct my Venus in same. (Also, his Leo Pluto was in my 1st and opposed my Aqua Venus in 7th, as well. He became kind of obsessed with me).

There was also an aspect of "secret enemy" there too, and interestingly, at the time, T. Pluto was squaring my N. Saturn Moon conjunction, and T. Saturn was in my 1st starting to oppose my Venus in 7th. Saturn is the faster moving, traditional ruler of my Desc and 7th, and Moon rules my 12th. Interestingly, this man had/has both a highlighted Saturn and Pluto in his chart.

posted June 08, 2022 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Perhaps, but I've experienced the whole "open enemy" thing in relation to the 7th. I did so with a man who had his Aqua NN in my 7th conjunct my Venus in same. (Also, his Leo Pluto was in my 1st and opposed my Aqua Venus in 7th, as well. He became kind of obsessed with me).

There was also an aspect of "secret enemy" there too, and interestingly, at the time, T. Pluto was squaring my N. Saturn Moon conjunction, and T. Saturn was in my 1st starting to oppose my Venus in 7th. Saturn is the faster moving, traditional ruler of my Desc and 7th, and Moon rules my 12th. Interestingly, this man had/has both a highlighted Saturn and Pluto in his chart.

He attacked both openly and also secretly.

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posted June 08, 2022 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Thank you for the correction, I had an astrologer tell me that 6th house was open enemies, but maybe because 6th is opposite 12th (the house of secret enemies) it could still hold true a little.

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posted June 08, 2022 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Thank you for the response. I think the Pluto in the 12th opposite Venus in the 6th might be why I have such a difficult time relating to and getting along with most women. Interesting to see your Venus in the 7th is more male oriented.

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I would be curious to look more so at your Moon. In the case that I mentioned, I was talking about the specific synastry that this guy's chart highlighted/interacted with my 7th.

But natal wise, my Sun square Pluto relates far more to having severe/deep issues with other males at times. This relates to past life/karmic and childhood patterns. Part of it is self meeting self. In my last human life (in male form), I was in a position of power, almost in a paternal type way. I mostly used my position and influence for good, but not always. Hence, issues with authority, power, and males in this life.

If a person tends to have issues with women or vice versa in a more general way, then often the Moon is involved in some way. Particularly things like Moon conjunct, opposed, or square Mars, Saturn, or Pluto (Also Chiron to a lesser extent). Also don't forget parallel and contraparallel--they are fairly like conjunctions and oppositions, though maybe a bit less intense.

posted June 08, 2022 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Thank you for your response. I have worked in retail (cashier) and med retail (pharmacy) which is a cess pool of negativety to begin with. I guess healthcare is a bit female dominated which sucks because it's already a catty environent to work in. I might have to find something more masculine to do. lol.

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I have the similar stories. When somebody is pretending caring and warm toward you, but behind the scenes it’s completely the opposite, that **** is scary and traumatizing. That thing is usually females.

posted June 08, 2022 12:19 PM            

So for example, in circles in which there might be two people who adore to show off, one of them will come after me instead of going after the person who is more showoffiest than they are or pretend their lives are more luxurious/wealthiest than theirs.

I, on the other hand, do not brag or show off. I treat everyone the same and expect the same from others.

I find other people's envy bizarre because I do not know what I exude to make some women or men feel that way. I am accomplished yet I do not care about trends, brands, etc. I have never understood it so it must be the aspects in my natal chart that somehow attract that energy.

I do have venus in the 6th house.
But, I also have planets in the 7th (as teasel mentioned) and inner planets making square to pluto, which Galactic mentions as a factor.

I have sun in scorpio opposite moon in taurus.
Sun in scorpio square mars in aquarius.
Sun in scorpio conjunct mercury in scorpio.
Moon in taurus opposite mercury and venus in scorpio.
Mercury conjunct Venus in scorpio.
Mars in aqua square moon in taurus and mercury in scorpio.
Pluto conjunct Venus in scorpio.
Pluto conjunct mercury in scorpio.
Pluto opposite moon in taurus.
Moon conjunct ASC in taurus.

Sun and mercury in the 7th house.
Venus and pluto in the 6th house.
Mars in the 10th house.
Moon and ASC conjunct in the 1st house.

If anything, I find that as much as I have done in life, it is never enough. So when someone becomes envious towards me, I do not get it. When I sense the animosity, it is usually other people who have to point it out to me (friends or relatives) that this person is treating me like that because of jealousy. I do not like the idea of people envying me because I am not a big deal--I have good sense of taste and a pleasant personality but other than this, I am very low-key. Rather work behind the scenes and abhor drawing attention.

posted June 08, 2022 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
[b] Thank you for the response. I think the Pluto in the 12th opposite Venus in the 6th might be why I have such a difficult time relating to and getting along with most women. Interesting to see your Venus in the 7th is more male oriented.

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I would be curious to look more so at your Moon. In the case that I mentioned, I was talking about the specific synastry that this guy's chart highlighted/interacted with my 7th.

But natal wise, my Sun square Pluto relates far more to having severe/deep issues with other males at times. This relates to past life/karmic and childhood patterns. Part of it is self meeting self. In my last human life (in male form), I was in a position of power, almost in a paternal type way. I mostly used my position and influence for good, but not always. Hence, issues with authority, power, and males in this life.

If a person tends to have issues with women or vice versa in a more general way, then often the Moon is involved in some way. Particularly things like Moon conjunct, opposed, or square Mars, Saturn, or Pluto (Also Chiron to a lesser extent). Also don't forget parallel and contraparallel--they are fairly like conjunctions and oppositions, though maybe a bit less intense.

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posted June 08, 2022 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I have the similar stories. It might sound like I had more problems with males, but I don’t think it’s necessary truth because I might care about those people more, and they were just a part of the system.
When somebody is pretending caring and warm toward you, but behind the scenes it’s completely the opposite, that **** is scary and traumatizing. That thing is usually females.

Masculine dominated fields also have problems, but different ones. Need to be lucky to find the right for you people.

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posted June 09, 2022 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Thank you for your repsonse. I will have to check out the moon placment you talked about. I do know that I have a Leo moon in the 10th house at 27 degrees in Vedic astrology. I liked how you mentioned how women who don't get along with other women are easier tog et along with and that has been true for me. I prefer to hang out with more masculine women/butch women/ women who aren't so male identified.

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yeah anything there can do it, my moon falls in aries in western but pisces in vedic, but it could come from lther places

it's a pattern i've noticed, women who tend to have large female friend groups etc have personality traits i just don't really gel with even if we're friendly

introverted women or women who get along better with men i never have those issues with and i generally just get along with them

it's just a specific kind of woman that seems to be problematic, but i really don't understand what the issue is entirely

posted June 13, 2022 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by chocogold:
Unfortunately, I tend to draw envy or jealousy from others. And it is unusual because the envy/jealousy comes from people who in my opinion, should not be envious at all. It has come from a) people who have wealthier or better lives (based on what I see externally but maybe they are not that happy) or b) from the braggiest and showoffiest of people, who in my opinion, if they can afford expensive and brand items (which I do not care nor buy), then why the jealousy towards me?

So for example, in circles in which there might be two people who adore to show off, one of them will come after me instead of going after the person who is more showoffiest than they are or pretend their lives are more luxurious/wealthiest than theirs.

I, on the other hand, do not brag or show off. I treat everyone the same and expect the same from others.

I find other people's envy bizarre because I do not know what I exude to make some women or men feel that way. I am accomplished yet I do not care about trends, brands, etc. I have never understood it so it must be the aspects in my natal chart that somehow attract that energy.

I do have venus in the 6th house.
But, I also have planets in the 7th (as teasel mentioned) and inner planets making square to pluto, which Galactic mentions as a factor.

I have sun in scorpio opposite moon in taurus.
Sun in scorpio square mars in aquarius.
Sun in scorpio conjunct mercury in scorpio.
Moon in taurus opposite mercury and venus in scorpio.
Mercury conjunct Venus in scorpio.
Mars in aqua square moon in taurus and mercury in scorpio.
Pluto conjunct Venus in scorpio.
Pluto conjunct mercury in scorpio.
Pluto opposite moon in taurus.
Moon conjunct ASC in taurus.

Sun and mercury in the 7th house.
Venus and pluto in the 6th house.
Mars in the 10th house.
Moon and ASC conjunct in the 1st house.

If anything, I find that as much as I have done in life, it is never enough. So when someone becomes envious towards me, I do not get it. When I sense the animosity, it is usually other people who have to point it out to me (friends or relatives) that this person is treating me like that because of jealousy. I do not like the idea of people envying me because I am not a big deal--I have good sense of taste and a pleasant personality but other than this, I am very low-key. Rather work behind the scenes and abhor drawing attention.

ETA: I have female friends and adore women. I get along with both women and men. I do not place one sex on a pedestal over the other. The jealousy has been mostly from women but I have encountered men who have reacted the same. Also, I have often found that if it is the women who are jealous/envious and trying to attack or undermine me over it, they will have either capricorn, taurus, aquarius or leo placements.

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