posted June 03, 2022 05:44 PM            

I have a constant need to be "ready" and in control. I don't like feeling like my senses have been dulled or handicapped. For me, drugs and alcohol aren't an "addition" but a reduction of senses, speed, and precision and correct judgement.

It's also about power, and being better and better, stronger and stronger is very important. Always a need for improvement and evolution and transformation in a positive way - and anything that reduces senses or makes one slow is a step back and can lead to a diminishment of power. Much of my chart is aspected by pluto, and thankfully, harmoniously. I really love Pluto.

Whereas I can see as for some who are particularly repressed or with other issues, the drugs or alcohol could be a gateway to their true desires and true judgment. And I can see and appreciate how for some, drugs could be quite useful in controlled doses and for particular purposes, but It's not for me, and I feel no joy in recreational drinking or drugs either.

I am also very sensitive, so sometimes even smelling alcohol or drugs can have an effect on me, so I try to stay away - but conversely, I can see how someone who is "stuck" or frozen, with few senses, could see drugs as their only way of feeling that which they are ordinarily cut off from.

posted June 03, 2022 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by GemJams:
Feeling responsible? So could Saturn aspects cause this too?

Having a more inhibited personality.

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posted June 04, 2022 01:08 PM            

I have had many weird things with my body without any drugs. I could feel like high by myself without any drug. And it’s not always good. I have some fear to lose control. When I tried weed it wasn’t that good and gave me side effects. The other time, I didn’t notice much. My Neptunian dreams give much better effects lol

posted June 04, 2022 11:20 PM            

I can see how easy it would be to get hooked on pain medicine. I sometimes take Zzzquil, to help me sleep. Tylenol PM, when it was easier to find. I take extra-strength Tylenol for cramps, and headaches if they aren’t just occurring due to dehydration. Also, knee pain. I actually stopped taking it for years, because my knee pain was always there, and it never uses to help much for cramps, until the worst had passed. The zzzquil has something added for pain, too, I still get those knee pains, but not always as bad as they used to be. (pain radiating from my ankle, up to the knee, and then up my thigh. The entire leg would be affected.)

posted June 04, 2022 11:57 PM            

But moving past the stereotypes for a moment. In actual observation, I have noticed that Scorpio and Pluto strong, tend to go to extremes with this stuff. Meaning, they are often either very straight laced or out of control with this stuff.

Similar with Aquarius too.

I think a very strong Mercury tends to incline a person towards a more careful discernment, or at least moderation, with things like this. Also there is an aspect of control there as well.

But if I may Roganfy this shiznit for a moment... Personally, I think most people that are more centered and balanced than not, would benefit from trying DMT or Aya (or an Aya anologue) at least once in their life. And, that is often all it takes. (Actually, I would add to that as well, E/Molly).

Despite my strong Capricorn and between moderate and strong Virgo, I've experimented here and there with various things. But, I don't like to get drunk, nor very high on weed.

My one Aya analogue experience so far was an extremely enjoyable 45 minutes of pure bliss. DMT seems to be a straight shot to the Pineal gland. Temporarily blasts open one's so called 3rd eye. (True 3rd eye is actually the Pituitary gland, but that is a long account).

One can get there through other means, like very deep meditation or long term fasting, but even then, the perceptions with DMT facilitating tend to be more vivid, visceral.

Control is all about fear. Fear is the mind killer, and yet, fear is not completely baseless and pointless. Fear serves some purpose to protect the body and the psyche. This is why human bodies come built in with "ego", which is a reactive fear complex, self defense mechanism. It protects us from physical and psychological trauma and wounding.

Not all people should try consciousness altering substances. Some folks lack the inner balance and centeredness to not be affected in negative ways.

There have been cases of people taking too much hallucinogens and then they lose touch with reality and become way too ungrounded, and become what we simply call "insane" after. On a deeper level, what has happened is that they have ripped off their ego and exposed the sensitive, inner soul to the loud cacophony that is this dimension/world and humanity's collective consciousness.

Ego is like the Souls "ear plugs" for when it is connected to a physical human body and directly in contact with these very loud, chaotic energies we are surrounded in. It takes time and focus to gradually build up the inner strength, centeredness, and attunement to Love to be able to slowly but surely take down those protective ego barriers. If you rip it all off when you're not ready for it, like some have found, you can become fractured, and are like a raw, open psychically receiving wound to all the madness, chaos, and cacophony of this level. And that CAN indeed overwhelm a human psyche. However, in these cases, often the person has gone to extremes and has taken too much, too often, to get to this point.

(Similar is often the case of people with schizophrenia--that is often a different kind of chemical imbalance that leads to a similar result-- far too much openness, psychically, before they are ready for same).

I had some fear/worry before I made and took my Aya analogue. I had read a lot of horror stories previous to taking it myself. I also could not afford to go down to Peru or the like and take it with a Shaman and a group. I was flying solo physically, but instead called on my nonphysical guidance to assist me.

A few days before the planned experience, I had a guidance dream related to the situation. I saw self on a beach, surrounded by polar bears. I was pretty wary and tried to walk circumspectly and slowly through as to not be noticed by the polar bears. Well, it didn't work. A mama bear and cub noticed me, and started coming towards me. I ran in fear. I saw a lone building in the distance and ran to there and started running up the steps terrified that the mama Polar bear was going to get me.

But at some point, something within me told me to turn around and face my fear. I stopped running and faced the Polar bear. To my pleasant surprise, the Polar bear ended up being friendly. I started to pet and cuddle her, which was very enjoyable. She was mostly white, but had some small dark spots.

When I woke up, I knew the dream was a guidance dream, and was addressing my trepidation of doing the Aya analogue. Guidance was saying that the Aya was a powerful force of nature (like a Polar bear) that was mostly fast vibratory, but had some darkness (mostly white with some small dark spots). If I went into it with fear, I might have some problems. But if I went into it with love and a lack of fear, but at the same time with respect of this powerful force of nature, then not only would I be ok, but that it would be very enjoyable.

Turns out the dream was precognitive in that sense, because as mentioned earlier, it was 45 minutes of pure bliss. I felt my heart blasted completely open to pure, universal love and awareness. Not even E/Molly, which is known for its intensely positive and love oriented feelings, compared to this. It was so pleasurable and expanding, that it almost hurt. It's like the body is not wired to handle that much light all at once.

Was it necessary? Probably not completely. I did ask guidance about it later, and why I felt nudged to take it to begin with, when I don't partake very often in substances. I was told that it helped to unlock some latent mutations in the body (mutations that relate to nonphysical perception/reception etc).

Sometimes people with the most need for control, are the ones that most need to let go and surrender. This is the Yin way, and this is Yin's power. This is the power of vulnerability and open receptiveness.

posted June 05, 2022 12:55 AM            

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I think a very strong Mercury tends to incline a person towards a more careful discernment, or at least moderation, with things like this.

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100% correct. I've never actually gotten real drunk before. I normally stop when I start feeling tipsy.

I've always wanted to kept a bit of awareness of myself and my surroundings. There's no excuse for your actions while intoxicated.

posted June 05, 2022 01:40 AM            

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I’m not taking anything that makes me vomit. I do that enough, already. I also have friends who have done different drugs, and it never sounds good to me.

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I didn't vomit when I took the Aya analogue. Barely even felt any nausea. That's because I applied a little chemistry.

The barks that contain high amounts of DMT typically also contain A LOT of tannic acid. It is primarily the high amount of tannic acid that makes people feel nauseous and vomit when they take Aya or an Aya analogue.

But there is an easy way around this. What you do, is take some kind of free form protein powder and mix it in. It reacts with and binds to the tannic acid. It is actually very similar as to when you put cow milk in strong coffee or strong tea. A certain amount of the protein in same reacts with the (much lower!) amount of tannic acid in the coffee or tea, and this is what "curdles" the milk some.

This is similar, but on roids. You then just scoop out the protein/tannic acid chelate. Voila, no more strong nausea and puking.

But I get it. Drugs are bad Mmmkay.

posted June 06, 2022 05:56 AM            

I've got 3rd house Pluto conj. my chart ruling Virgo Moon 3°
Pluto square Venus 3°
Pluto square Sun 1°
and it sextiles my Asc and Mars

I also have Saturn in 11th, so I'm not a partier anyway.

I've never been drunk, and I have no interest in it. I've never smoked. I avoid pain meds unless the pain is absolutely unbearable. I can't even stand to take cold medicine if it makes me feel foggy headed.

Like others mentioned above, I want to be in control of my faculties at all times. I like to have fun, but I have to be sober.

posted June 06, 2022 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I didn't vomit when I took the Aya analogue. Barely even felt any nausea. That's because I applied a little chemistry.

The barks that contain high amounts of DMT typically also contain A LOT of tannic acid. It is primarily the high amount of tannic acid that makes people feel nauseous and vomit when they take Aya or an Aya analogue.

But there is an easy way around this. What you do, is take some kind of free form protein powder and mix it in. It reacts with and binds to the tannic acid. It is actually very similar as to when you put cow milk in strong coffee or strong tea. A certain amount of the protein in same reacts with the (much lower!) amount of tannic acid in the coffee or tea, and this is what "curdles" the milk some.

This is similar, but on roids. You then just scoop out the protein/tannic acid chelate. Voila, no more strong nausea and puking.

But I get it. Drugs are bad Mmmkay.

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I'm like PlutoWasHere. I don't want to take anything that might leave me vulnerable, or out of my mind. Not around anyone. If you want to apply astrology, you could try assigning it to my sixth house sun.

I don't care if other people take drugs. I've dealt with people with addiction, and we all have our different addictions. Mine aren't alcohol, medication, or drug-related, that's all.

I have a stomach condition that makes me get sick a lot. I was awake most of the night, with my dog, but also because I was getting sick. I made the mistake of eating.

posted June 06, 2022 05:03 PM            

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I have no interest in getting drunk. I think about it, when I’m really sad, but that’s what happened to my mother. When I got food poisoning, when I was seventeen, the room would spin on me, that still happens when I’m dehydrated, sick, or too stressed. I wondered why anyone would do that to themselves on purpose. (Get drunk, and have to deal with hangovers.) that’s another thing that keeps me from drinking too much.

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Moderation mentioned.

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I can see how easy it would be to get hooked on pain medicine. I sometimes take Zzzquil, to help me sleep. Tylenol PM, when it was easier to find. I take extra-strength Tylenol for cramps, and headaches if they aren’t just occurring due to dehydration. Also, knee pain. I actually stopped taking it for years, because my knee pain was always there, and it never uses to help much for cramps, until the worst had passed. The zzzquil has something added for pain, too, I still get those knee pains, but not always as bad as they used to be. (pain radiating from my ankle, up to the knee, and then up my thigh. The entire leg would be affected.)

Currently, “The Batman” is putting me to sleep.

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posted June 06, 2022 05:10 PM            

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Why is Mercury given discernment and moderation, but the rest of us aren't? Of course it makes sense.

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Never said it was solely just about Mercury.

And at the end of the day, people are more complex (and generally are, more than) than astrology and their astrological charts.

Freewill should be talked about more often among astrologers and astrology circles. I guess it isn't, because it is literally the wild card factor that can't be predicted or seen ahead of time. We can only ever see it in hindsight.

posted June 06, 2022 05:31 PM            

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It seems Pluto is a strong factor in most charts mentioned.

I've got 3rd house Pluto conj. my chart ruling Virgo Moon 3°
Pluto square Venus 3°
Pluto square Sun 1°
and it sextiles my Asc and Mars

I also have Saturn in 11th, so I'm not a partier anyway.

I've never been drunk, and I have no interest in it. I've never smoked. I avoid pain meds unless the pain is absolutely unbearable. I can't even stand to take cold medicine if it makes me feel foggy headed.

Like others mentioned above, I want to be in control of my faculties at all times. I like to have fun, but I have to be sober.

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I didn't see your post. Yes, to all of this.

posted June 06, 2022 06:06 PM            

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So why I said earlier, "drugs are bad Mmmkay" is that I was speaking to (and making fun of) the notion that you and others here seem to have expressed that drugs are only ever bad. That is way too black and white to me.

But yeah, I will agree with you, drugs certainly can be bad. Like most things, it depends on your inner intention and/or how you use it. A knife, a gun, etc, is a tool and can be used constructively or destructively. The intention and how you use it is what matters. Very little that is in the earth is inherently good or bad in and of itself. Reality just doesn't work that way.

As my own experiences have shown me, drugs can also be good and have a good effect. Again, depends on one's intentions and how one approaches and uses same. If someone is just looking to get "wasted" because they can't deal with life without escapism, then chances are, substances will not have a good effect on them.

And people can become addicted to almost anything. Not just substances. But almost anything--video games, sex, food and emotional eating, anger and resentment, thinking over much about themselves, romance/relationships, etc. Obviously most of those things have their place within reason and moderation. But too much is too much. It's when you CAN'T LET GO of something, and go without, is when you have a problem.

Similar with consciousness altering substances.

Personally, I prefer very deep meditation and/or Hemi-Sync to drugs for consciousness altering states etc. But when I did that Aya analogue, I felt called to it. I didn't go into it willy nilly. I asked for and received guidance about it before hand.

Little known fact, but the drug we now call Ecstasy/Molly/MDMA was originally used by therapists/psychologists, and they found that when people (patients) were on it and also being counseled that they experienced more intense breakthroughs and healing than they had with years of counseling alone.

Hallucinogenic mushrooms have also shown remarkable potential in the areas of psychological help and therapy in relation to trauma etc.

The guy who discovered the double helical-helix structure of DNA did so when he was high on LSD. There are various examples out there of drugs having a helpful effect.

Anyways, point being is that drugs are not solely and always bad nor good. They can be either at different times. Much of which depends on one's inner intentions and motivations.

posted June 06, 2022 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by GemJams:
I don’t think Mercury is given discernment in this thread,other planets are included.
I asked a question and opinions are being shared.

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