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LilyIris07
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posted July 19, 2022 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So like, I have had times when I have looked at someone's chart and not liked it, it's just a feeling I get. Isn't that weird? Is it reasonable to not date someone because you don't love their chart? I tend to run the other way when it comes to Leo's because I've been burned, which is a pathetic generalization I know - but I think it's because of how the Leo Venus interacts with my chart, either it hurts my Venus or my Uranus get's super confused.

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posted July 19, 2022 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha yes, definitely; energetically we have a hand in the relationships that arrive. And eventually, if things become serious, we take on each other’s karma. I need to know what I’m getting myself into, and decide upfront.

I have Pluto in my 5th and Neptune and Uranus in my 7th House. It’s precaution. Diligence. Most of the lovely and exciting courting phase is all talk.

I avoid too many squares in synastry (one to two total is fine), or any outer planet harsh aspects to Sun/Mercury/Mars/Jupiter in composite, I bounce. Why settle for a fixed amount of selfishness, conflict and instability? No, thanks.

Their own birth chart I’m lenient towards, unless they happen to have an afflicted (especially by sign) Jupiter, Venus and Moon, or markers for serial infidelity in Navamsa, I will also bounce—character flaw that requires remedial measures. But synastry and composite implicates me.

If a man pursuing a date with me won’t offer his birthdata, or gives me side eye for asking, immediate red flag. Arrogance and trust issues (control freak).


At this point in my life, I’m in no position to being “raising” anyone other than a literal child. Who’s got time for that? avoidable with applied wisdom and astrological discretion.

Even the best synastry and composites can fail, so why bother with poor and lacking ones?

The thing is, I know I have a high standard, so I cut to the chase for efficiency (mindful for both of us). If that means I turn down a romance** because of the charts, ok, my loss. I already have Neptune in 7th; it’s all weirdos, loss and sacrifice for me anyway.


**They aren’t sticking around to become friends.


With my tropical Aries Venus, I so avoid anyone with Saturn in Capricorn. I don’t wish to date anyone younger than 1988 for not wanting Saturn to criticize or patronize (square) my attempts to love them… Two birds, one stone: out of my seventh house and goes into my sixth. The nice thing with dating apps is the option to choose age bracket... Good riddance. I’d rather have a Sagittarius Saturn square my Pisces Mercury (could use some harsh structure there) than to my Aries Venus (becomes instead the trine from Sagittarius).

Saturn square to Venus is also bad for Venus person’s finances. My ex still owes me a couple thousand. I’ll never see it. Same goes for two other girlfriends who’s ex’s Saturn squared their Venus; one of them payed in full for his school fees. Ya live, ya learn.

My guy friend’s Saturn is squaring his girlfriend’s Venus and he owes her so much money. 🙈 Hopefully he pays her back before, if they ever, breakup. I was renting his room while they were traveling and he asked me to deposit the rent money to her account because of how much he owes her. He then moved in with her rather than returning to the apartment to save money I guess. I will run from this aspect. Even the most well-meaning person will generate debt(s). People like to think this aspect bodes for longevity, but I’m compelled to believe it perpetuates codependency.


So yes, I’ve NOT dated someone because of what the chart shows.

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LilyIris07
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posted July 19, 2022 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeez! Yeah that’s fair enough, I’m still figuring out some of the stuff that I just cannot stand. I actually enjoy the Saturn in Sag peeps - depending on the degree it’s trine my moon, although opposition my sun. I attract so many Leo venuses and im like nooo, my venus in Taurus is so sensitive.

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posted July 19, 2022 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw yeah squares aren’t fun!

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posted July 19, 2022 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve seen synastry of couples tho who have so many squares and I’m like how are you not irritated? Maybe they are just really evolved.

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posted July 19, 2022 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are more likely very irritated. A couple who portrays that they *enjoy* a lot of squares in synastry is deluded about there being “positive” to the consequence. Sure, it’s energized and reactive, constant feedback seems like closeness, but to what effect? Though the old adage is “all is fair in love and war” and “love thy enemy”. I’ve noticed there’s usually strong Jupiter synastry glossing over this irritation.

With my ex, we had Mercury harsh mars, both ways, but Jupiter was conjunct each other’s Ascendent. We fought constantly, weekly, for years. This was terrible but we looked like a solid gassed-up couple. Trust the synastry..

Evolving persons seek out harmony, even if that means solitude. Misery seeks company.


Our battles can be picked… through astrology!

I feel pity when I see disharmonious synastry/composite and the couple can’t seem to let each other go. I’ve been there.

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posted July 19, 2022 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good synastry fails too tho - I mean what is even considered good? Like Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox have a lot of squares I think - and so do Travis Barker and what’s her face, I mean I don’t know if celebrities are exactly the best people to base stuff on. Also there’s that whole thing of a good composite can compensate for harsh synastry.

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posted July 19, 2022 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In general, safer celebrity composites to study are couples that have kept their relationship private and out of the public eye. It’s commonly understood that people who feel compelled to be seen for their coupledom online or socially tend to be overcompensating; putting on a show.

True love is not an object meant for display. It’s too tender and sacred. Protect at all costs.

“Good” synastry is abundance of harmonious aspects in relationship houses. Point blank. The planets involved depends on what business you have being together, of course, one’s own natal charts for matching.

I am generally weary of any outer planet synastry, I think these, even if harmonious (though, that’s generational) should NOT be depended on for “positive aspect” count. Say, two people who have flowing Sun-Neptune positions by sign natally, and this is reflected in synastry, their personal behavior can perpetuate instinctive delusion (“nothings wrong!” attitude)—as it usually shows up as the square in the composite.

So with that said, the more positive aspects between all inner planets, the better, so long as outer planets aren’t lurking in the dark.

The how or why other couples handle squares.. it’s usually compulsive—the feeling of having to do something. Sometimes what also can happen is the native doesn’t have the harsh aspects natally, so they sometimes seek conflicting energy with others for the action, activity. Conflict is not an “evolved” way to grow; imo could be considered avoidant to externalize one’s problems via interacting with a person. Blame games.

I think harmonious inner planet synastry “fails” better.. like well-wishing and compassion. Less “hard” feelings.

I don’t know whether composites overrule synastry. Anytime I’ve studied them, whenever the synastry is lacking but a hyped Sun-Venus-Mercury in composite, these couples are not as supportive of each other, which would be expected in any genuine partnership. Like, yes they’re a couple, the composite is functioning, but do they actually deeply comprehend each other~reverberate? Are they even compatible?

That’s why we often hear that Sun-Moon synastry (the luminaries) is hands down exceptional. ☯️

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posted July 19, 2022 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m curious to know if anyone else has “not dated someone because of their chart?” ❤️

Surely there’s some stories out there!

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posted July 19, 2022 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Neptunian attraction could be cool off by that what is good lol

What’s about the opposite scenario, dating or being very interested in somebody because of their chart?😊

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posted July 19, 2022 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol! Librapurr what do you mean cool off by good?

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LilyIris07
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posted July 19, 2022 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, but it's almost impossible to only have harmonious aspects all around in synastry, I feel like there will always be some outer planet action that might not be great... with a composite good composite tho, would it be you know the relationship itself is stable - but maybe you don't fully resonate with your partner, but you have similar goals on where the relationship goes. With good synastry not so great composite, it's like you love each other, but you can't seem to stay together or there is always issues.

I have had the highly touted Sun/Moon - it's nice, I like Moon/Moon more I think. Aside from all of that, I think if someone in their own natal struggles with relationships, it doesn't matter how good the synastry of composite is?

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posted July 19, 2022 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think she meant put off lol

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posted July 20, 2022 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should have looked at my ex chart I wouldn't have wasted my time. Our charts are not compatible & we are not soulmates. I didn't love the ex & he was saying we are soulmates.

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posted July 20, 2022 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No but once I got into astrology and looked into why things went ape-sh1t, I saw why LOL
But I’d be lying if I said that I haven’t gotten slightly jaded..

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posted July 20, 2022 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
No but once I got into astrology and looked into why things went ape-sh1t, I saw why LOL
But I’d be lying if I said that I haven’t gotten slightly jaded..

so the bad synastry or composite always played out badly?

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posted July 20, 2022 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually look at everyone's chart out of curiosity and to help me understand how planets behave in signs etc, but with the people I was attracted to there was usually something significant in the synastry that was lacking with other people.
I never not dated someone because of the squares,or hard aspects in general. I'm emotional when it comes to dating and logic doesn't apply to my choices.
BUT I kind of had the opposite happen to me once. I was extremely attracted to a man since day one. But there was never a chance for anything to happen between us so I tried to suppress my feelings since it was a forbidden fruit kind if thing. Until I accidentally heard his date of birth and saw the synastry. And I was like,there is no way he doesn't feel the same about me. And my attraction came back stronger. Nothing happened but I'm still recovering. I wish I never saw his natal chart.

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posted July 20, 2022 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LilyIris07:
I think she meant put off lol

Probably, that’s what I meant. 🙂

At least, I need to try to bring it back to earth, lower expectations. Cannot get too excited with all these Neptune, Uranus and Jupiter.

However, I don’t think I’ve ever met a perfect for me chart. I had chart with many nice things, but Uranus screwed up everything quickly.

It’s probably better to avoid to look at charts too early. There’re stories when so-so charts turn out to be long terms.

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posted July 21, 2022 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 21, 2022 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 21, 2022 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol! I used to.

As of now, I think it prevented me from growing as a person - avoiding is like avoiding self growth to me.

For example, love bombing - I used to fall for that and believed in their potential. Could be my Neptune in 7th + Venus Aries - now I learn to take my time falling in love because when I'm in a relationship I am devoted (Cap in 7H). It didn't matter if we have good or bad synastries or their natal chart isn't my type. The lesson would keep following me until I learned them.

And the person I was avoiding, had like commitment issue looking chart (or at least that's what appears) end up being my soulmate and we had a strong connection. so! yah! but yes he does have trouble being fully committed so blah. 😅 I say it was worth the connection - I grew a lot from it spiritually and for the first time knowing how to love myself. It sucks but I am grateful at the same time.

But if you are already recognizing the patterns that had put you in a place of hurt without pulling the chart, there's a chance it's confirmed on the synastry. Otherwise might miss out opportunities of learning.

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posted July 21, 2022 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally understand what you are saying about growth, I mean we also all grow through relationships. I mean, I had what I considered good synastry with one guy, I liked his chart - but he has massive commitment issues, and I think the beauty of what I saw in the chart is some of his potential, I don't know that we live out all of our chart.

There are really some things in synastry that I really don't want to go through again, even if I really like someone. I do believe in growth, but how many difficult synastries do you have to go through lol.

Again tho, I feel like the person Natal tells you more than synastry - so it's like you could see how nice their chart is, and they would commit but your synastry isn't so great - what do you do then?

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posted July 21, 2022 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve never chosen someone for their chart because I don’t think we can fully predict how a rs will turn out.

With my 1st bf we’ve Sun-Moon in the same sign on my 7H cusp, Moon-Venus conjunct, Sun-NN conjunct…. But also Mercury square Mars DW. He was smitten on first sight but I wasn’t into it becos he wasn’t really my type. I don’t wanna go into how I ended up dating him but just wanna say I regretted it. He revealed his true colours from the 2nd month into the rs and was constantly horrible to me even as I tried to break away. None of those conjunctions saved the rs.

With my current guy of 4yrs we don’t have the typical conjunctions that are highly touted. Our Sun-Moon square, Sun-Venus square… but we have lotsa trines/sextiles too (Sun trine Sun in sign, Moon sextile Moon, Venus sextile Venus, Mars trine Mars, Moon-Venus trine DW with Neptune in the mix). Our composite is also not fantastic. We have Sun-Mercury-Venus stellium trine Moon which is great but also Pluto squares. When I asked people to read our charts I always get bad reviews… but the truth is our rs deepens over time. We love each other more n more as time goes by. We’re definitely better than what our charts show.

Like you I also prefer harmonious Moons… and also Moon-Venus. They’re really sweet aspects.

Btw both guys have strong Sag/Neptune in their charts but they turned out to be different.

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posted July 21, 2022 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LilyIris07     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I’ve never chosen someone for their chart because I don’t think we can fully predict how a rs will turn out.

With my 1st bf we’ve Sun-Moon in the same sign on my 7H cusp, Moon-Venus conjunct, Sun-NN conjunct…. But also Mercury square Mars DW. He was smitten on first sight but I wasn’t into it becos he wasn’t really my type. I don’t wanna go into how I ended up dating him but just wanna say I regretted it. He revealed his true colours from the 2nd month into the rs and was constantly horrible to me even as I tried to break away. None of those conjunctions saved the rs.

With my current guy of 4yrs we don’t have the typical conjunctions that are highly touted. Our Sun-Moon square, Sun-Venus square… but we have lotsa trines/sextiles too (Sun trine Sun in sign, Moon sextile Moon, Venus sextile Venus, Mars trine Mars, Moon-Venus trine DW with Neptune in the mix). Our composite is also not fantastic. We have Sun-Mercury-Venus stellium trine Moon which is great but also Pluto squares. When I asked people to read our charts I always get bad reviews… but the truth is our rs deepens over time. We love each other more n more as time goes by. We’re definitely better than what our charts show.

Like you I also prefer harmonious Moons… and also Moon-Venus. They’re really sweet aspects.

Btw both guys have strong Sag/Neptune in their charts but they turned out to be different.


Honestly, the second synastry looks better anyway - and I have heard that pluto in the composite can add a little bit of spice to the love stellium. I think moon-venus is lovely too...

I sort of still into this guy that I will never have a relationship with - I remember the first time looking at his chart thinking its so pretty, getting a not too bad vibe from the synastry, sun-moon conjunct/sextile, moon-moon sextile,venus-moon sextile, venus-sun trine, nn conjunct venus, pluto-venus DW blah blah... it just never picked up, but imagine there is someone I have bad synastry with and it actually turns into something. Sigh now I'm just babbling sorry.

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posted July 21, 2022 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hikaru 👋🏽 nice to see you again.

It takes time for the ugly of squares/quincunx to show up, and by then people are already some kind of serious commitment (invested). 😬 The classic relationship-issue timeline; “problem-solving” madness after honeymoon period.

One can only hope (or decide) that there are more harmonious aspects than disharmonious, implications. I’m choosing to decide. If the other person wants to make their case about being together, despite my detachment, that’s fair game for consideration. Though rarely are men pursuing a new women with the long game in mind—we’d all be building that legacy with our irresistible crushes by now. Women have a hand in settling.

As an astrologer, at least someone incredibly invested in this craft, I’ll be using it to my/our advantage. If waiting for great compatibility keeps me single for now, so be it, more time to focus on developing myself. Going for gold—a 50 years marriage anniversary someday. A lineage, abundance. My Capricorn DC talking. Capricorn rules gold ;)

I sternly believe one can achieve whatever they put their mind to.

There’s a joke in the Vedic astrology community that westerners (to their detriment) wait until the marriage (already in the relationship) to have their charts matched. Technically we should be seeking this intel the moment someone is even potential, without second-guessing.

Granted the vedic system doesn’t use synastry as we know it, rather, strict natal-based matching, to interpret compatibility, across multiple divisional (harmonic) charts.

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