posted July 21, 2022 01:16 AM            

Pluto is not about violent, it a transformative planet, that will tear things down and rebuild. Example like during your Pluto Square (midlife), Pluto will make you face whatever you unsatisfy with in life (whether it job, partnership, your own self) and transform what you unhappy with. That is why there alot of people have "midlife crisis".

Mars is a personal planet, it spend 2 months in a sign. Mars is violent, period. In all suicidal cases it is Mars that pull the trigger. In all violent cases it is also Mars.
Mars is ACTIONS, it your drive, it how you assert yourself in life. You get out of bed and get things done is your Mars sign. If someone bully you, how you defense yourself is also your Mars sign. Your sex drive, how assertive, your temper, anger, your determination are all your Mars sign.

posted July 21, 2022 04:49 AM            

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Violent an anger, I suggest you look at your inner planet Mars instead of the outer slowest moving and transformative planet Pluto.

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I don�t agree completely with this. I don�t find just mars to show how you express your temper etc. The Moon has a powerful influence on your emotions and who you are at the core. The outers are very important esp when they either make several aspects to your personal planets or just one major aspect to one of your personal planets, this is what the OP meant with Mars vs Pluto people. Even in Synastry i see the affect of the outers to personal planets. Just because you share an aspect with many people doesnt mean it gets less influential or less important in Synastry with the person YOU are dealing with.

posted July 21, 2022 06:51 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
I have a problem seeing the feminine emotion planet the Moon being VIOLENT though, but that just me.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Cheers.

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For example an Aries moon with a Pisces mars will still be quick tempered and might even throw all kinds of things at you than being just passive or emotional like a Piscean. The Piscean mars might ��temper�� things down a notch like these guys might not be those that are in those ��bar fights�� and can actually remove themselves from it if someone wants to start something but when it comes to their personal relationships their not so passive.

posted July 21, 2022 07:05 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
I know alot of Aries Moon and they don't have a temper at all, like at all. Including my mother in-law (whom both Aries Moon and Aries Venus).

I guess we just have different experience.

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We probably do.
But if that Venus is on her Moon that might soften her up a bit too.

posted July 21, 2022 08:55 AM            

I don�t know if i understood your question accurately did you mean how they act when their facing of with someone or when their just angry with someone?

Anyways i think with Marsians it will be a lot of blocking and unblocking if it�s online or �� angry �� stares in person but they are quicker to get over something esp if you apologize or if they miss you.

With Plutonians it can go either way. Either they will go completely quiet and obsess about what has happened and maybe wanting you to apologize or they will make damn sure to bring you hell, esp if these are Plutonian Sags. it takes more time to let go of angry feelings too and they can also give you those ��stares�� in person.

posted July 22, 2022 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
I know alot of Aries Moon and they don't have a temper at all, like at all. Including my mother in-law (whom both Aries Moon and Aries Venus).

I guess we just have different experience.

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There is no way. Aries Moon and Venus are both ruled by Mars (Martial and passionate). It defies law.

There could probably be aspects from Sat, Neptune or even Plu to negate this expression of the Moon. Maybe even the Moon being in 12th, 4th or 8th/7th etc.

I know of an Aries Moon with Plu opposing his Moon. He is not temperamental. That Plu opposition detaches emotions.

He has lost so much in his life that to get angry or attach feelings seems "useless" for him. So he is quick to disengage or establish emotional distance.

posted July 22, 2022 08:21 AM            

To Aries23Degrees,

She is, here I show you her chart. I'm married my husband 11 years (together 13 years), so I know my mother-in-law quite well. Every weekend is we get together (she help baby sit my son), and we talk. She told me so many things about her childhood and her marriage with my father-in-law, and how she is as a person.

And I saw this too with my own eyes, NEVER once she dare to talk back to my father-in-law (culture difference here maybe, she not American). She serve him like a king, everything he demand is yes and yes. He passed away already, but she told me in her marriage with him, he abused her and NEVER once she dare to talk back a word, let alone fight back.

And I NEVER see her have a temper in the 13 years together with my husband. NEVER once see her angry, she just take life and accept life as it. Hell, my husband even yelled at her and curse at her, and NEVER once she get angry, she just cried.

She told me, in her own words, when she was like 5 years old, neighbor kids bully her, she ran straight home and hide under the bed. Yes, you read it right, she ran home and HIDE UNDER HER BED all shaking. She that scare! and she even admit she a coward.

She not even dare to kill a fly. Hell, I remember one time we watch TV and there a scene where someone drop a baby, OMG she screamed, she got so scare that baby going to get hurt, and this is just from TV shows.

Yeah, she told me since age 5, she has this anxiety and coward, she scare of everyone will hurt her, kids her age bully her she run home and HIDE UNDER THE BED!!

Here is my mother in-law chart. Welcome to read it.

posted July 22, 2022 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
There is no way. Aries Moon and Venus are both ruled by Mars (Martial and passionate). It defies law.

There could probably be aspects from Sat, Neptune or even Plu to negate this expression of the Moon. Maybe even the Moon being in 12th, 4th or 8th/7th etc.

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posted July 22, 2022 04:35 PM            

Pluto squares Sun, Ascemdant, Mercury, Venus, Saturn in my chart.
It also trines MooN sextiles Mars Neptune NN

Mars Neptune NN conjuction opposes moon squares Jupiter trine Chiron.

Plutonic anger cuts deeper than Mars.

My moon mars opposition - emotional pain causes agony in me and causes me lash out. but it does not last long.

posted July 22, 2022 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
I am both Plutonic and Martian.

Pluto squares Sun, Ascemdant, Mercury, Venus, Saturn in my chart.
It also trines MooN sextiles Mars Neptune NN

Mars Neptune NN conjuction opposes moon squares Jupiter, trine Chiron.

Plutonic anger cuts deeper than Mars.

My moon mars opposition - emotional pain causes agony in me and causes me lash out. but it does not last long.

But my Plutonic anger scares the **** out of me. For instance my Mercury square Pluto there is violence in my thoughts even though I have never been physicaly violent to anyone.. but my words -the words that maketh murder...

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posted July 24, 2022 03:15 PM            

I don't think that Astrology is ever "wrong". However, the interpreter of it can be limited in their scope to explain what it shows ☝🏿

What Scientists cannot fathom about DNA is often termed "junk". But there's no such thing as "junk" in the Universe. Everything has a purpose for its existence. It is our limited ability to comprehend it that makes us degenerate it towards "junk" status.

In the chart concerned(and I called it), Mars is not only at its "fall" position of Cancer (Cancer Mars often suppresses its anger). It is also in the 7th house of "others" i.e. the individual is often scared of other's response to them. They perceive others as "overpowering" to them.

Mars in 7th can be the aggressor /assertive one in the relationship. Or the type to be drawn to aggressive partners. 7th house shows who we are attracted to. And Mars there suggests being attracted to assertive/aggressive partners.

There are 3 positions that I personally don�t like on Mars (especially when in the 4th/12th or 7th house). They are Lib, Cancer & Taurus.

There is a tendency for these natives to feel like they need to constantly "assert" themselves via being aggressive and/or competitive. Or attract partners who feel like they need to constantly "assert" themselves via being aggressive and/or competitive (sometimes towards the native).

These partners (or the native)can be easily aroused to anger or violence i.e. the "GoodFellas" Joe Pesci "are you talking to me?" type who btw has Mars in Cap opp Jupiter in Cancer.

That role was made for him. He is very touchy and flammable in real life. He once threatened to slap Sinead O'Connor for ripping the Pope's photograph whilst she was live on a television show. He is touchy(Mars) when it comes to religion (opp Jupiter).

So when Mars is challenged or in its detrimental position(Mars in 7th and in Cancer), the native feels like every small disagreement warrants all out war a physical fight or severing of ties etc.

They can be irritable & critical etc. Very fussy and exacting. Mars is touchy naturally. But when in those signs and houses , it can be like a wounded Lion-erratic and dangerous.

Ask her if her husband was the type to be easily irritated? Wanting everything to be in its exact place where he left it or all hell breaks lose? The type who often expects others to make EVERYTHING all nice and comfy for him etc.

If that is the case, she married (7th) her Mars (Mars in Cancer). So he expressed the anger(Mars) that she didn't want to own within herself or dissociated herself from (7th) etc.

In other cases, it is the chart owner who becomes the aggressor and abuser. The one who is toxic etc. But whether its the chart owner or partner, its only extreme cases that things can degenerate to abuse. Mars in 7th us also good sex or passion in the relationship.

So her Moon conj Sun in Aries never got proper expression as it was hidden away in house 4 and likely expressed through the environment she grew up in.

Mars not only rules the 4th house ( in the detrimental position of Cancer as said earlier ) but is also the ruler of Moon/Venus. The upbringing was likely very tense. She kept quiet and hid(4th house) for everything unpleasant to pass.

Mars also squares Venus in the 4th house. So maybe her Mom and Dad/ parental figures showed animosity towards each other AND/Or her through violence or intimidation?

If so, she was conditioned to not have a voice and "go along to get along" and avoid trouble. And it stuck with her until she grew up.

Unfortunately, human nature is such that when we see vulnerability in another. We tend to be unpleasant to it. Like attracts like and so people with a low self esteem tend to draw situations in life (bullying or abuse) that reiterate or confirm their low self esteem.

Her husband was drawn to her for this same reason. He felt she was "easy� to control and wouldn't fight back. So perhaps he started off as someone who was protective of her(Cancer)? But then turned into the victimizer in the end? He probably had low self esteem issues too(again like attracts like).

My thinking is that your husband grew up in an atmosphere of abuse or tension? You spoke of him a lot in past threads. Look to his Ic/Moon as I recall you mentioning that he maintained absolute control over his anger? What is his relationship with his Mom like?

My theory is that the family legacy maintained by his Mom continues with him? 🤷🏿‍♂️. Anger or strong emotions are just not expressed at all unless under immense pressure. And then they come out in extreme ways.

Moon in Aries is in mutual reception to Mars in Cancer. These two planets are positioned in their respective signs of domicile. This makes her very thin skinned and sensitive. The type to be easily rattled and/or made upset.

Cardi B has Moon in Aries in mutual reception with Mars in Cancer. She is equally sensitive as your MIL. But she expresses her hurt more externally by becoming an "edgy" no holds barred singer/artist/rapper. She once had a physical altercation with Nicki Minaj😮. Yikes!!!

Your MIL is terrified of her own power(Mars). And until she owns it, she'll always have people victimizing her or attracting situations where she feels "attacked" and fearful.

posted July 24, 2022 08:43 PM            

Sis, I have a question, I'm going to need your help to decode this. Because this is just NOT accurate and it irk me.

People that see my mother in-law chart keep give me this reading about her children:

quote: [[[ It is because of the Void of Course Moon in the chart.
Children is a 5th House Matter. In a woman's chart the Moon's aspect determines the no. of biological children her will have. In the case of void of course moon, children may be denied.
May be this lady�s children are not her biological children. ]]]

This is inaccurate because my mother in-law has my husband, so how can she "cannot" have children due to VOID COURSE OF MOOON? Is in her chart her Moon really Void?

I also get this from people see her chart about children:

quote: [[[ No children - but abortions. Mercury as ruler of pregnancy is in 5th house children but is squared from Jupiter in a Sun ruled death house 8th. Jupiter is ruler of 12th house- pregnancy and prenatal experience before birth. Sun in 4th house pregnancy and conceiving a child -0 degree exact inconjuncts her Neptune in 9th house - called the waiver for a higher sense and purpose.

Aries Moon in 4th house rules her 7th house - relationship and partner. Mars in Cancer squares Venus in a mars ruled 4th house. Not a good relationship for conceiving a child by free will. Venus rules 5th house - own ego/ own will about having own children. ]]]

'HOW' can this be? My mother in-law has a child for sure, MY husband!!

posted July 25, 2022 09:08 AM            

I am not sure about the "void of course moon" bit . But it's likely that it was not her desire to have kids. Or else it was something that she was underprepared for or grossly underestimated the impact it would have on her life.

When looking at a woman's idea of children in the chart, I look to Moon( her nurturing abilities) and 5th house (what she feels she can "gift" or teach the child)

I disagree with Astrologers who feel that Moon in 4th and Sun in 5th(as is the case with her) is ideal for those who will have kids.

I find both in this position very self absorbed. And preoccupied with themselves.

She already has a troubled Moon in Aries.This position takes time to emotionally mature. And with that Sun in her 5th, I feel like there was a need to "undo" much of the childhood trauma and re-live her childhood again. This time from a happier place

My guess is that with Sun ruling her 8th in the 5th house and ruler of 5th (Ven) in the 4th house(12th from itself), she probably didn't have a great relationship with her son.

Pluto aspects Moon by square (she distances herself from being a Mom or things affiliated with the moon). My guess is that she likely didn't want to get married either (Moon rules the 7th and Pluto is parallel the Dsc).

So from that angle, she might as well have had an abortion or no children. She was likely not a great mother to the one child she had because she may have grossly understated her role as a mother and (through that) fostered in him a tendency to function independent from her.

That's why I asked the relationship between son and mom. That moon/mars mutual reception speaks of severance between them. And Ven(ruler of 5th) in 4th speaks of emotional distance

This is further reiterated by Mercury ruling 9th in the 5th(her children feel like foreigners to her ) and Mercury ruling the 6th in 5th (12th from itself) speaks of "loss" as a result of them not getting along or finding much to be critical of each other with.

posted July 25, 2022 09:22 AM            

Btw, my husband born with Moon in 12th!
And Yes, my husbands was independent from her and No, they do NOT have a great relationship at all. Wow, your read was 100% correct about her. She is the MOST Self-Absorb woman, everything is about Her Her Her!

Please please, I'm gonna need your help on one more thing about her okay. THANK YOU.

I am pretty sure she Capricorn Rising due to your reading about her personality is 100% correct, AND because one time she got very sick and went under surgery the transit speak for it, so I am 99% sure she Capricorn Rising. But there a 10% possibility she might be Sagittarius Rising.

This was what she told me, back then 1944, when her mom water broke and just right before they leave to the hospital her mom remember look at the clock before leave was after 8-ish PM at night, and also dark outside. So about 8:00PM when her mom leave to hospital.
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Then came to hospital chances are her mom can't gave birth right immediately, so that leave 10PM birth which is Saggitarius Rising. or 11:30PM birth which is Capricorn Rising. It CAN'T go any further because she born on THAT Night.

For sure she she born on that night because her birth certificate wrote that SPECIFIC DATE born. It just that late that night only leave 2 Rising signs, one is 10:00PM Sagittarius Rising. And one is 11:30PM Rising Capricorn.

This is why I want to make sure so I put two chart up, one is Saggi Asc , and one is Cappi Asc, because this is the only 2 Rising that could be her.

So can you please help me see the Saggi Risig chart below, see if it show she has a child. Or if the reading about her treated her child would be different?
Here is the Saggi Rising one:

posted July 26, 2022 03:42 AM            

When did she get sick and undergo surgery? How long was she at the hospital? How long did it take her to recover?

We can look at transits (typically aspects by declination) to deduce what planets were active during that time. As well as natal progressions.

I am no expert at rectification(Kannon specializes in this for a reasonable fee)But we can give it a shot.