posted December 16, 2022 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@MissBo

What aspects does the Moon make? And Mars?

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Here is my natal chart:

I think I have moon square saturn/moon conjunct pluto/ moon sextile uranus-neptune/ venus conjunct mars / mars conjunct saturn.

posted December 16, 2022 02:07 AM            

Moon/Pluto conjunct tends to be narrow minded when it comes to emotions I.e. you see YOUR emotions and ONLY your emotions as pivotal in a partnership.. And thus (by extension) ONLY your needs.

Interestingly however,you are a contradiction because as much as you want intimacy. You are also avoidant of it by establishing emotional (or even physical distance) between you and the loved one.

Moon(our emotional centre) may be conjunct Pluto. Making your emotions feel so strong and overwhelming at times.

But the square from Saturn and parallel (like a conjunction) aspect by declination from Neptune, suggests to me that you want some control over the other person's emotions I.e. you are allowed to be as intense as you want. But the minute the other person is, you are not comfortable.

Also with Venus/Mars conj, you want passion. But the added conj of Saturn to both suggests that this passion may be from a more cerebral point of view or is more cyclical /spontaneous than consistent.

In other words,you want to get passionate when you want to get passionate. And want to pull away when you want to pull away etc.

There is something about the Moon/ Neptune, Neptune/Uranus conjunction and Moon/Uranus sextile that suggests to me that there is a subconscious need for emotional freedom or to remain emotionally detached. Could this be why long-distance relationships can be acceptable? So that you don't get "tired" of the other person?

Ruler of the 7th house is also the ruler of the 12th house. So you are drawn to partners that are either physically/ emotionally distant /unavailable to you.

This is further reiterated by Venus/Mars conj in Aqua square Saturn I.e. " you can get close but not too close" etc. So there is a level of control that you want to assert on it.

Going back to the Chiron/Mars opposition, these men are triggering that defensive part of you that is having you react to perceived rejection because they won't respond the minute your message is delivered.

Add to that, your Moon/Plu conj sense of "urgency " I.e "why won't he reply to my text?" Or "why won't he do what I asked?" Adds to the frustration and wants you to ACT in a definitive way to clarify things. So this could even mean severing ties with the person.

That's where i suspect this need for "not taking" isht is from. Not so much the conj of Saturn to Venus because as I said before, Saturn is slow-moving and takes time. It tends to be impasisve.

I do understand that you gave this man many chances to act different. But with Ven Aqua conj Mars(your Dsc ruler), I think the men you attract( ironically) don't like to be told what to do. This even as you give clear instructions to them.

This is what you like about them. That they are independent thinkers and don't follow rules. But it later becomes a problem when you can't "manage" their independent nature or want to have some level of direction/ control over how independent minded they can be towards YOU.

Looking at your Mars(ruler.of Dsc and partnerships) from that perspective, Mars conj Sat in Aqua. They are stubborn. Mars opp Chiron. They are sensitive about their masculinity and may have a desire to assert themselves in the way they choose.

So they can perceive your demands as "emasculating". Coz they have their own ideas of what they want to do and how they want to be etc. Not just be who you want them to be.🤷🏿‍♂️

posted December 16, 2022 04:26 AM            

Yes! I want passion, I want intimacy and I want to get close to the other person but sometimes I pull away because I don't want to get hurt. Sometimes I overthink and I tend to be pessimistic about love/relationship because my past two relationships have hurt me so bad. When I love someone I love with all my heart, I'd move mountains for them, I am 100% loyal but when you get betrayed by someone you love, you are not the same anymore. So I have built all these walls up to protect myself.

I was born in Thailand but I moved to the US for studies when I was 14 until 21, then moved to Australia for studies again until 26 and then back to Thailand. My first bf is Thai, we met when I was 22, we met when I came back to Thailand for a year before I moved to Australia (we did long distance for 2 years). My second bf is also Thai and we met in Thailand as well. **PS(both of my Thai bfs cheated on me, big liars)

Not that I prefer long distance but I'd say I don't mind it. Sometimes we have no control over external circumstances right?. And I think I am okay with long distance because I used to be away from my family, my loved ones since I was 14. I am pretty independent, not clingy, don't need to call or facetime all day, I love to have my own time and space and do my own things. When I did long distance with my first bf, I was fine. I missed him but I was fine and I didn't even find other or talk to any other guys. Like distance is not a big deal for me at all cause when I love someone, no matter how far or how long it takes, my feelings for them will never change.

This foreign guy (he's American), I met him a year after I broke up with my second boyfriend. Then I met this guy out of the blue when I was on a short vacation with my friends (we stayed at the same hotel). He traveled to Thailand for work and we met during his last week. I swear it wasn't my intention to pick someone from far away place. And funny how I lived in the US for 8 years but never actually had a relationship with any American guys when I was there. But this guy is out of nowhere!! Instant attraction when we first met, it was crazy.

This guy is definitely my type! as far as I know he is independent, he has he own life, do his own things, has social groups, very adventurous, very outdoorsy, same taste in music, etc. I want to get to know him more but we don't live in the same country and he won't talk to me. The only thing that I can't stand is his inconsistency in communication. His inconsistency makes me confused whether he really likes me or not. I made it clear with him that if he doesn't like me that's fine but just TELL ME! So we don't need to waste each other time. If he doesn't want a relationship, I'm fine with being friends but I might need time to adjust my feelings for him. I told him exactly this!! and he said he likes me and wants to try long distance.

But I don't get it!! he likes me but doesn’t communicate!! He can go days without talking to me. Like how are we going to form a good relationship if we don't talk when we are in long distance? Without communication things won’t go anywhere. In this case, I wasn't the one who pull away first, this guy is too on/off that's why I’m confused and I don't feel emotionally safe.

**Right now, I have made a decision based on his actions not his words. He said he likes me but clearly he is not or not ready. And I know that no one likes to be told what to do that's why I only told him once about what I need. But when he did it again, I didn't even ask him to change, I just removed myself. If you ask me how I feel? Of course I feel sad because I felt something the day we met like it was meant to be, and I know I want something serious with him..... well maybe I was wrong all this time... meant to be my A S S hahah

This is his natal chart if you'd like to look at

posted December 16, 2022 12:23 PM            

I think your response overlapped with a lot of what I said. The fact that you have been away from family since 14, gets you used to your own space. This has a way of getting into the subconscious and have you become emotionally aloof or detached in personal relationships. So long distance (which is a deal-breaker for some) is not a big deal for you.

posted December 16, 2022 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@MissBo

I think your response overlapped with a lot of what I said. The fact that you have been away from family since 14, gets you used to your own space. This has a way of getting into the subconscious and have you become emotionally aloof or detached in personal relationships. So long distance (which is a deal-breaker for some) is not a big deal for you.

A lot of what you said about your boyfriend echoes the typical Benus in Aqua archetype enrgy descrjvef in tour chart. Your Mpon in s irpio wabts security, so Venus in Aqua is not reassuring.and leaves you feeling "insecure"

And your re

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Yes! Scorpio Moon, me wants emotional intensity, security, predictability, and stability without all these I don't see a reason to stay. I will not be happy and I don't want to keep torture myself.

Not long ago someone on here looked at my composite with the American guy and we have almost all moon square aspects. Moon square/Venus,Mars,Mercury,Sun,Uranus,Neptune and the person told me this relationship is not worth my effort, just let go.

posted December 17, 2022 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by MissBo24:
Yes! Scorpio Moon, me wants emotional intensity, security, predictability, and stability without all these I don't see a reason to stay. I will not be happy and I don't want to keep torture myself.

Not long ago someone on here looked at my composite with the American guy and we have almost all moon square aspects. Moon square/Venus,Mars,Mercury,Sun,Ura ,Neptune and the person told me this relationship is not worth my effort, just let go.

But thank you so much for your time and insight

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No problem. I actually edited the previous post to add that the current beau has Nep-Sun parallel and Sun conjunct Pluto. The Sun-Pluto makes him very self centred and self oriented. Whilst the Neptune aspect can make him defy boundaries or set rules. Not because he is intentionally rebellious. But because Neptune expands and rarely clarifies where the boundaries are. Very similar to Jupiter but more internally focused.

Sun-neptune when combined with Sun -Pluto conjunct makes him a mystery.
This even to himself. He fovuses inwardly and boundaries of inner awareness are never clear. They keep on expanding to "could i be..." or "maybe i am...".

This can raise issues or uncertainties with the self. This when it comes to life wants(including love), ambitions and even sexual orientation.He doesn't know why he does what he does. And this inability to clarify himself to others or be consistently "tangible " as personality, can make him come across vague and difficult to understand.

Nep-Sun people are often preoccupied with their own world-which can make it difficult for others to get close to them. There are usually issues with Dad(a typically absent fugure either physically or emotionally) that sets the tone for "open endedness" in self-definition.

So with this tendency to be "open ended" and undefined , they find it a challenge to maintain existing relationships with those who depend on them- because they need more security and boundaries than Sun-Neptune person can consciously provide.

Most times their mysterious nature is not because they cheat. But because they can be so aloof and inwardly focused, one never really knows what's happening with them which(if you are looking for security with them) will leave you feeling like you are constantly confused about where they stand, what they want and generally who they are. Consistency isn't their strong point.

Now check this out. The ruler of your 7th rules the 12th house of Aries. Whilst Jupiter rules the 11th house Pisces of friendships as well as your own Sun sign( the type of men you are drawn to) is located in the 11th.

He has Neptune (affiliated with both 12th house and Pisces) parallel (conjunct) his Sun. You two started off as friends(your 11th house Pisces Sun describing him as a friend), then you became lovers(7th house ruler-Mars- ruling the 12th house of Aries).

The Universe brought you two together because your chart matches the kind of personality suggested by the partners you are drawn to. Neptune/12th house is also long distance. And you have Moon parallel Neptune (as earlier stated). So that is also why there is comfort in entering relationships where you don't see your partner daily.

The downside to so much Neptune influence for your 7th house is that partners do "drift", can be unfaithful, aloof , uncommunicatve and even the type to "ghost " you etc.

You will keep on attracting similar types to him because your chart is set in that momentum. Not unless you become more conscious of your tendency towards ambiguouity about intimacy i.e demanding emotional closeness from those who can't provide it and avoiding those who can.

posted December 17, 2022 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

You will keep on attracting similar types to him because your chart is set in that momentum. Not unless you become more conscious of your tendency towards ambiguouity about intimacy i.e demanding emotional closeness from those who can't provide it and avoiding those who can.

Try dating someone who is more steady and "boring". One who isn't living too far from you and whose life is more steady and predictable etc. Then see what happens under those circumstances

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Trust me I do want someone who is steady but I don't know why this type of men (unavailable in some ways type) keep coming into my life. I want love and to be in a relationship but I'm that person who never go looking for it, I'm not on any dating apps, I don't even have one guy I talk to these days and I rarely look at men when I go out. I do get lonely sometimes but I'm totally fine not talking or dating anyone.

This guy came into my life unexpectedly out of nowhere. And trust me, at first I thought he lives and works in Thailand, if not permanently I thought he will stay in Thailand for a long time. I just found out 3 days before he has to leave that he is not permanently working in Thailand and can't extend his stays. He's in the US Army and I didn't know what he does for a living when we first met. He told me that he works for a logistic company and I found out later that he is in a military after he went back. I fell for him since the first day we met and I didn't know that he will be unavailable both emotionally and physically. I didn't know that he has this type of personality. I didn't know that he will be so aloof, detached, uncommunicative and doesn't know what he himself wants out of relationship. Trust me, if I knew, I'd never walk into it. Because when I met him, I thought he was THE ONE!!!! Seriously, I don't even know why the Universe brought us together or brought him to me. Like for what reasons??

posted December 17, 2022 07:45 AM            

I have Virgo Venus in 10th, conjunct MC. Trine to Chiron in 6th. It doesn't make any other aspects, except a wide square to Neptune. Actually, Neptune squares my Venus/Mars mp, as my Mars is also in the 10th, but 11 degrees away.

I am very work focused, usually meet men through work, but I don't really have much of an exciting romantic life. I am attracted to the wrong men, thank you Neptune. So when that fizzles out I just go back to work and I love to have my secret crushes on unavailable men.

Venus rules my 7th, and Pluto Mars my 1st. So anyway you look at it, it comes back to the 10th house. And where I am most of the time- 10th house life. Most if not all of the relationships I have had hit my Mars more than Venus. Hitting Venus doesn't do all that much for me sadly.

posted December 17, 2022 08:19 AM            

My themes/manifestations have been a strong need to communicate in relationships, love. A need for intelligent counterparts.
The people I've loved have been friends mostly as well. As Gemini is the lovers energy, I have had a roving eye but to be fair I have often received attention first.. unrelated but my pof is cnj my asc too.

My Venus played out in my youth via using the phone as a way of beginning love and obviously with a phone, love, lovers - *adult conversation.
In relationships, my Venus paired with my moon in gem house has brought me a lot of counterparts that were Cancers, Libras, Taurans, Gemini (a cpl strong connections)
As well those shadow energies.. Scorpio, Sagittarius, Aries.

posted December 24, 2022 09:09 AM            

I am considered very hyper independent by my peers. I've never been in a committed relationship. My 7H Libra Sun and Pisces Moon would love a partnership, but I strongly attribute my need for Freedom, Fun, Adventure to my Sag Venus/Mars/Pluto. I'm also an Aries rising lol, Sag Mars is my chart ruler.

Humbly I say I am considered a very attractive, magnetic, sexy woman. I have an edgy, free, Rock n Roll look, exactly as you'd expect a Sag Venus conjunct Mars and Pluto to look. I was a bit of a late bloomer, but when I turned 20 I became very physically attractive. Internally I still feel like the unseen, overlooked Nerd so I am very distrustful of people's motives when they try to get close.

I NEED to have a sense of freedom, there is no worse feeling to me than being tied down, restricted. I ~could~ be a very casual lover but I'm not, to limit messy situations.

I rarely give guys "chances", for me its either immediate Attraction/Love at First Sight or nothing. I end up having laser vision for whoever I'm crushing on, taking months to years to fully move on. That said, I've never been in a *committed* relationship, and I've only had feelings for 2-3 guys.

I am attracted to integrity, sincerity, open minds, guys who live life to the fullest but still acting on their principles. Think Aragorn from LOTR. I like guys who think deeply about the world, who have their own philosophies.

Overall, I'd say I'm like a manic pixie dream girl. I know people are attracted to me, and I have a huge romantic streak, but I will only commit to the RIGHT person. I'm a very frustrating mix of casual and intense. I HAVE to be free and lighthearted in relationships, but I value sincerity beyond all else. Femme Fatale?

It's an annoying mix.

posted December 24, 2022 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
Is Venus in your 12th House? In which sign?

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Sorry Leo-Cancer98, I just saw this.