posted January 02, 2023 05:25 PM            

I know that the Sun-Moon midpoint is important in synastry, where hard aspects activating it can signal marriage or a close personal relationship, because it's a point that represents the "inner marriage" between Sun and Moon. Venus is also important in that regard, being the planet of love and beauty, etc.

I'm the kind of person who has whole-hog, date-to-marry energy. I've only ever dated two people in my life, with the second person being the one I am still convinced I will marry eventually once we aren't so young. I think Pluto in Sagittarius in my 7th house lends itself to my intensity in relationships, but my Venus literally *being* my Sun-Moon midpoint is just so funny to me because that is how I act, and how I am in love. I'm like, "if you're not marriage material then I want nothing to do with you. And if I want something to do with you, I want to marry you."

It's also hilariously useful when looking at synastry, because all I need to do to figure out someone's aspects to my Sun-Moon midpoint is just look at the aspects to my Venus.

posted January 02, 2023 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Yes, I was going to say -

maybe Venus on the MP is married to yourself.

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I think what teasel said about *being* "marriage material" is accurate for me. I don't think I'm married to myself in the sense of not feeling a desire to be married to others (because I do, getting married to someone I love is definitely going to be part of my life story), but probably I am in the sense of knowing myself well.

I do a lot of introspection, and I generally love and accept and feel secure in myself. So I have a good relationship with all the parts of myself, if that makes sense. And I'm used to being aware of and navigating different parts of my psyche, and finding compromises internally. My Moon and Sun are semi-sextile, with my Venus right in the middle of them. I feel really well-integrated as a person, maybe in part because of that. It's sort of like Venus acts like a bridge between the two (and a very pleasant bridge at that).

Both of my only two partners at times expressed that they felt "not good enough" for me, not as people, but just not good enough at *being in a relationship* to keep up with me. All of the communication, attention, affection, negotiation, vulnerability, etc. is of course challenging for me like it is for anyone, but I seem to have a certain way of doing things that intimidates people by how "perfect" it appears or feels to them?

My most recent partner had a tendency to call me "perfect", which I rejected every time she said it for about the first year we were together because I don't feel anyone should put their partner up on a pedestal, but over time I learned to accept it as a way that she was expressing appreciation for me. I stopped taking it literally, essentially. I just focused on the deeper meaning, which was "You are really skilled at being in a relationship, and I'm impressed by those skills, and I appreciate them because it makes me feel so loved- but I'm also intimidated, and sometimes I feel insecure about my own skills when I compare them to yours."

So thank you both for this insight, I think you're onto something. I think maybe having Venus on my Sun-Moon midpoint creates a situation where I have a really strong relationship to myself, which then translates to having a lot of skills for relationships with others that I never really had to practice outside of myself with other people first in order to get down the basics. Of course that intimidates people, because they're like, "How do you know how to do all of this? How are you so good at this?" But it's just because of my own internal stuff. And then, perhaps the reason why I'm only interested in people who I see as potential marriage partners, is because I need to be with people who are capable of matching my skill level or developing it over time (and that does not lend itself to short-term flings).

It feels weird to call myself "skilled at relationships" especially because I'm autistic and relationships historically have been a massive sore spot for me (my friendship history is a rejection-ridden nightmare) and to be honest it just looks like bragging, but it's really not a good thing all the time. I often end up alone because of it. With my most recent partner, we both acknowledged that neither of us were ready for the relationship, her because she needs to develop more relationship skills and just explore more of life in general, and me because I need to start focusing on building skills that have nothing to do with relationships. My South Node is in my 7th house, so that probably contributes, too. Partnership is a natural mode for me, but I have to start focusing on other things like school and my career and physical health and art and friendships. And unless I develop in those other areas, I won't have a strong foundation to even build a partnership on.

posted January 02, 2023 08:50 PM            

I did take marriage as a goal seriously, and I typically didn't date aimlessly (though I confess to have indulged in a couple of intentional eff buddies relationships). I had made up my mind early on that I was never going to be someone's long time girlfriend. Once a relationship reached the 1 year mark, I needed to know what was his intentions, and if he was not ready, I would bounce.

Umm, I never thought that this way of doing and seeing things was due to my Venus being at the midpoint of my Sun and Moon... But maybe that explains it...

posted January 02, 2023 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I have this aspect. Exact.

I did take marriage as a goal seriously, and I typically didn't date aimlessly (though I confess to have indulged in a couple of intentional eff buddies relationships). I had made up my mind early on that I was never going to be someone's long time girlfriend. Once a relationship reached the 1 year mark, I needed to know what was his intentions, and if he was not ready, I would bounce.

Umm, I never thought that this way of doing and seeing things was due to my Venus being at the midpoint of my Sun and Moon... But maybe that explains it...

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LOL, sounds like me! Everything has to be intentional. And I made my intention clear to my most recent partner, being that I wanted to marry her, and she reciprocated that feeling/intention. But we're still in college and not ready to actually settle down and get married yet, so we broke up to give ourselves more time to grow individually first. Of course there's a chance we won't end up together, but when I look at how we feel and then compare it to the astrology... that seems unlikely. It'll be funny either way to look back years from now on these posts and see what happened.

Her Sun opposes my Venus/SM-mp, and is in a synastry Yod with my Mars and Mercury as the base, her Sun as the apex, and my Venus as the release point. That, and her Mars squares my Venus/SM-mp, as do her Jupiter, POF, and Ascendant.

posted January 03, 2023 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
This has always been funny to me. My Venus is at 10 degrees Aries, and my Sun-Moon midpoint is also at 10 degrees Aries. (My Sun is 25 Pisces and my Moon is 24 Aries.)

I know that the Sun-Moon midpoint is important in synastry, where hard aspects activating it can signal marriage or a close personal relationship, because it's a point that represents the "inner marriage" between Sun and Moon. Venus is also important in that regard, being the planet of love and beauty, etc.

I'm the kind of person who has whole-hog, date-to-marry energy. I've only ever dated two people in my life, with the second person being the one I am still convinced I will marry eventually once we aren't so young. I think Pluto in Sagittarius in my 7th house lends itself to my intensity in relationships, but my Venus literally *being* my Sun-Moon midpoint is just so funny to me because that is how I act, and how I am in love. I'm like, "if you're not marriage material then I want nothing to do with you. And if I want something to do with you, I want to marry you."

It's also hilariously useful when looking at synastry, because all I need to do to figure out someone's aspects to my Sun-Moon midpoint is just look at the aspects to my Venus.

Does anyone else have anything super coincidental in their chart like this? Or anyone else with a planet or angle that's conjunct your Sun-Moon midpoint?

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Sun/Moon together highlights feelings. People with Sun/Moon aspects in the chart often look to illuminate the hidden/private aspects of themselves.

It is very important to these people to do a "deep dive" into the crevices of their subconscious mind and bring all that's there into the light(this too with Sun-Nep and Sun-Plu aspect people btw).

The Sun-Moon people find that vitality (Sun) is connected to feelings and emotional reflections(Moon). They want to be as authentic as possible(Sun)to themselves (Moon)by bringing into external expression (Sun) what is happening within(Moon).

So yes,they can be "Moody" or seem very "changeable". This is the part of the process of authenticating themselves when in relation to others i.e."I(Sun) am multilayered (Moon).And you will experience many facets(Moon)of me(Sun) ".

Some may also be very comfortable in expressing the dark or "shadow " feelings that we as people tend to hide i.e expressing jealousy, anger, envy, lust etc. They also see this as authenticating themselves too.

There is a stubbornness and self centeredness that surfaces whenever the Sun is involved (this too Mars/Jupiter actually). And so there is a tendency to be deaf to what other's say and only listen to the input coming from within. So many may consider these people "irrational" or " emotionally subjective".

The involvement of the Moon in this dynamic can give rise to intuitive responses or reactions. Because the Moon is from the deepest parts of our psyche, the nature of it is reactive. So when Sun highlights it, it can highlight how "reactionary" these people can be.

If Mercury is involved in the midpoint, words come easy to the native -as if intuitively. So the native will be the type to articulate feelings and bring awareness of what is happening within them in a spontaneous way.

Most times these people can be so good at breaking down the complexities of how they feel, that they assume that they can break down the intricacies of how others feel.

In the latter instance however, their perspective can be "if this is how i feel, then you should probably feel similarly" or "I know exactly what you are thinking/ feeling".The Sun being involved tends to make their own perspective central or give them the assumption that others feel from the same perspective too. etc.

When Venus is involved (as in your case),ones sense of knowing what blends together comes through to them in an intuitive way. They won't be able to explain how they "know", but they can often tell discord/incongruency from an intuitive level.

This can make them active diplomats and peacemakers in social settings abd relationships on one hand . But also make them very avoidant of their own personal feelings that they consider "counter productive" to the peace/tranquility established without on the other hand.

Fighting, disagreements, rudeness & even aesthetic 'ugliness' can be so offputting to them as to even make them ill/put them in a bad mood.

They tend to be skilled and talented in the creation of harmonic "flow". Maybe they are musicians? Models? Artists? Interior decorators? Clothing designers? Relationship specialists? Romance novelists etc. But in whatever profession they are in, they'll probably be known for their beauty and refinement.

posted January 03, 2023 03:30 PM            

What you said about being a mediator or peacemaker is true for me (but I also have a temper- Moon in Aries). And when I was younger, adults would comment that I should be a model because I had such a beautiful face. One time an older woman said "The boys will be all over her when she's older!" (surprise for her, I'm a butch lesbian). People still compliment me on my facial features, especially my eyes (which appear to be complimented the most- probably because I have thick, dark eyelashes and light eyes). I think I don't really look like a model anymore, and I'm a masculine person anyway so my femininity isn't something I like putting on display, and my masculinity is just kind of average lol.

I am an artist (I draw, paint, write, embroider, and play piano), and I like everything around me to be beautiful. I wouldn't say I have expensive taste, but I'm very particular. I won't just buy any bath-mat or curtain or bedspread, I will find one that is especially beautiful or which goes well with other things in the room it belongs to. And if it happens to be $10-$20 more than another option, so be it. But I tend to prefer items that come from secondhand stores, which are often cheaper anyway.

I think maybe having Venus on my Sun-Moon midpoint is one reason why I'm so attracted to femininity? I am pretty much exclusively attracted to feminine women. But I am not feminine myself, or at least I don't emphasize that part of me. It could have something to do with Lilith conjunct my Sun by 2 degrees, I've read that can make female people more masculine (which is true in my case).

posted January 03, 2023 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
venus conjunct S/M: would you say in any way you were spoiled by either or both parents?

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No, I actually had a pretty difficult childhood, but I was often treated as though I was acting entitled. I'm autistic but wasn't diagnosed until I was 9 years old, so they often didn't understand me and viewed me as overly demanding and petulant. But in reality I just had needs that were going unmet and being misunderstood, because I was too young to adequately communicate about what was going on. But I have often been called selfish or entitled or "acting spoiled", which I think is unfair because usually it's just the result of my autism (like wanting to sit in the same seat every day at the dinner table and getting upset when someone else sits there).

posted January 03, 2023 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
No, I actually had a pretty difficult childhood, but I was often treated as though I was acting entitled. I'm autistic but wasn't diagnosed until I was 9 years old, so they often didn't understand me and viewed me as overly demanding and petulant. But in reality I just had needs that were going unmet and being misunderstood, because I was too young to adequately communicate about what was going on. But I have often been called selfish or entitled or "acting spoiled", which I think is unfair because usually it's just the result of my autism (like wanting to sit in the same seat every day at the dinner table and getting upset when someone else sits there).

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I am generally a very relaxed person, and I appreciate that neither of my parents are the kind of people to have indulged my every whim as a child. There were a lot of times I didn't get what I wanted, and I think mostly that was good for me. It's just that I was often unfairly labeled or perceived as a "spoiled brat" when the reality was that I was having a sensory meltdown or something else similar, for example.

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posted January 03, 2023 03:53 PM            

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Edited to add:
I am generally a very relaxed person, and I appreciate that neither of my parents are the kind of people to have indulged my every whim as a child. There were a lot of times I didn't get what I wanted, and I think mostly that was good for me. It's just that I was often unfairly labeled or perceived as a "spoiled brat" when the reality was that I was having a sensory meltdown or something else similar, for example.

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posted January 03, 2023 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Interesting, I have basically another version of yours where my moon is my midpoint in my cluster between Sun/Venus..I was called spoiled a lot myself. In fact if I received "things" it was from guilt of my mother who simply had no attention to offer. As well the family around gave me toxic attention (abuse) so again, "things" were thrown at me - which to the outsiders appeared as "spoiled brat". I won't lie. That really shaped me to be materialistic,yet connection between people is important, "objects things" got to be my worst addiction imo. 2nd house Capricorn, I worked hard for what I valued, as I grew older - I do believe my youth put too much emphasis on other's *seeing me as spoiled*. Yet NOONE saw from the inside the sadness my childhood really brought me.

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posted January 03, 2023 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
oh very interesting. thanks for responding. may I ask what were the nature of your childhood demands?

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It was very rarely things like wanting toys, clothes, etc. I'm not materialistic at all. My sister did all that (and still does lol) more than I ever did. It was things like wanting the music turned to a lower volume, or wanting to be able to eat a safe food that I was familiar with, or being upset that a plan changed unexpectedly and wanting it to go back to the way it was. Or wanting to be left alone in my room so I could recover after school. That sort of thing.

posted January 03, 2023 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
^ I think even those non-material needs you mentioned are venus-themed.

Venus is the planet of self-care. It does not have to be as extreme as self-indulgence, but the stuff you mentioned sound very taurus-like: dislike of loud noises, need for stability, focus on food quality, etc.

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posted January 03, 2023 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
Oh that's a good point, I hadn't thought of it like that. I guess that's true, I'm really hypersensitive and just generally I get overwhelmed easily because my senses are so active all the time. So needing my sensory environment to be stable and pleasurable/not overwhelming actually does make sense as a Taurus-ish Venus thing.

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posted January 04, 2023 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
Thanks for this, Aries23Degrees. I think my intuition is very strong in general. I have a lot of close Neptune aspects to personal planets as well which probably helps, although I don't know much about that and would like to know more. I have Neptune semisquare Sun (0 deg. orb), semisextile Mercury (2 deg. orb), sextile Venus (0 deg. orb), square Mars (0 deg. orb), biquintile Jupiter (1 deg. orb), and trine Saturn (0 deg. orb). Neptune is also trine my Ascendant (3 deg. orb).

What you said about being a mediator or peacemaker is true for me (but I also have a temper- Moon in Aries). And when I was younger, adults would comment that I should be a model because I had such a beautiful face. One time an older woman said "The boys will be all over her when she's older!" (surprise for her, I'm a butch lesbian). People still compliment me on my facial features, especially my eyes (which appear to be complimented the most- probably because I have thick, dark eyelashes and light eyes). I think I don't really look like a model anymore, and I'm a masculine person anyway so my femininity isn't something I like putting on display, and my masculinity is just kind of average lol.

I am an artist (I draw, paint, write, embroider, and play piano), and I like everything around me to be beautiful. I wouldn't say I have expensive taste, but I'm very particular. I won't just buy any bath-mat or curtain or bedspread, I will find one that is especially beautiful or which goes well with other things in the room it belongs to. And if it happens to be $10-$20 more than another option, so be it. But I tend to prefer items that come from secondhand stores, which are often cheaper anyway.

I think maybe having Venus on my Sun-Moon midpoint is one reason why I'm so attracted to femininity? I am pretty much exclusively attracted to feminine women. But I am not feminine myself, or at least I don't emphasize that part of me. It could have something to do with Lilith conjunct my Sun by 2 degrees, I've read that can make female people more masculine (which is true in my case).

Lots to ponder.

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Oh ok . I see.

posted January 04, 2023 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Oh ok . I see.

I often wonder just how much the sign plays a role in this whole mix? Do you mind if i see your chart?

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posted January 04, 2023 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
venus conjunct S/M: would you say in any way you were spoiled by either or both parents?

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I was not spoiled at all. On the contrary...

posted January 06, 2023 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
Sure, where should I post it?

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