posted March 27, 2023 02:07 AM            

I don't know whether this is fear of divulging that one is not without flaws? But when bonding, most people bond over their shortcomings or vulnerable side. That's what makes us human.

But when dealing with a Leo (whether Asc, Sun or Moon) I don't get to have this. They mostly glaze over it. And i find that the only person who is honest about their vulnerabilities, is me.

posted March 27, 2023 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Honestly, they probably just feel that they don’t actually have any flaws 😂

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posted March 27, 2023 02:37 PM            

Leo females generally start confine with me, it generally starts with some bad event they had today then morph into bigger long term problems.

I never figured it out if they're just looking for someone that will pay attention to drama and i'm easy pickings.

posted March 27, 2023 04:23 PM            

Leos would rather go and play. I think they prefer to bond through laughter and having fun together... even when things are tough. Not that they can't be vulnerable but the Sun is vitality and creativity and so if they're dealing with some issues, fears and pain, they are more likely to turn it all into a good show or possibly drama and work it out that way, than talk about their weaknesses. But in general, strong, healthy Leo Sun/Moon/Asc bounce back to positive states very quickly.

posted March 28, 2023 07:20 AM            

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Honestly, they probably just feel that they don’t actually have any flaws 😂

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posted March 28, 2023 09:19 AM            

my mom has her sun here too. She is so uncomfortable with unpleasant feelings. It seriously alienates her from people. Capricorn moon doesn't help either. She really doesn't let people get to close to her while being super outgoing.

posted March 28, 2023 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I've had the opposite experience.

Leo females generally start confine with me, it generally starts with some bad event they had today then morph into bigger long term problems.

I never figured it out if they're just looking for someone that will pay attention to drama and i'm easy pickings.

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posted March 28, 2023 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by frida:
@MonteCristo
"they probably just feel that they don’t actually have any flaws 😂"
That's so funny but it's partly true haha

Leos would rather go and play. I think they prefer to bond through laughter and having fun together... even when things are tough. Not that they can't be vulnerable but the Sun is vitality and creativity and so if they're dealing with some issues, fears and pain, they are more likely to turn it all into a good show or possibly drama and work it out that way, than talk about their weaknesses. But in general, strong, healthy Leo Sun/Moon/Asc bounce back to positive states very quickly.

At least that's my opinion - I know many Leos, and also have Asc and Moon in Leo.

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Oh no. Dont get me wrong. I am all about playing too. I dont mean that I want them to be a guest star in a "lets talk about feelings" seminar.

posted March 28, 2023 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
my almost ex husband is a leo. He was scared of losing me so he put me down thinking if I wasn't confident I would never leave him. It did the opposite.

my mom has her sun here too. She is so uncomfortable with unpleasant feelings. It seriously alienates her from people. Capricorn moon doesn't help either. She really doesn't let people get to close to her while being super outgoing.

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posted March 28, 2023 01:40 PM            

I tried to reconnect with her several years ago. She told me she was getting ready for a nose surgery as she had a deviated septum. I’ve known couple people who had that surgery and my mom and me was thinking about it also. First, she tried to convince me she had something different. I got that I couldn’t have the same surgery and her disfunction cannot be common. And I went through several effing special people till that time and started to lose interest in that type. I still feel sad we cannot reconnect in the same way because I changed so much. There’re still many things I admire about her. I still think she is one of smartest, and deep thinking, and she is so nice to animals what I find to be a very honorable quality.

posted March 28, 2023 05:41 PM            

I am fully aware of my shortcomings, I guess I just hope that if I don't talk about them they stay hidden? It's like the elephant in the room kind of thing.

posted March 29, 2023 07:49 AM            

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One Leo Sun friend I’ve met around high school graduation. She was older and had a serious and cool job as I thought.
I don’t remember if I really fed her ego and told her I considered her to be so cool and smart, but that was how I saw her. She shared some tragic stories, but it was like well written storytelling what made her look even more cool, special and strong. I didn’t notice some things she did was immoral.

I tried to reconnect with her several years ago. She told me she was getting ready for a nose surgery as she had a deviated septum. I’ve known couple people who had that surgery and my mom and me was thinking about it also. First, she tried to convince me she had something different. I got that I couldn’t have the same surgery and her disfunction cannot be common. And I went through several effing special people till that time and started to lose interest in that type. I still feel sad we cannot reconnect in the same way because I changed so much. There’re still many things I admire about her. I still think she is one of smartest, and deep thinking, and she is so nice to animals what I find to be a very honorable quality.
She was briefly married in her early 20th and since than mostly slept with married men. What most likely to be because of trauma. There was one available guy who wanted to connect with her many times, but she kept rejecting or avoiding him.

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I just can't stand people who act so self-important. Had an Aqua friend with Moon in Leo who was very much about themselves. Our friendship didn't last.

There was always this thing of them thinking or (at least) acting as is they were "better" than people. Didn't like it. I ended up just ghosting them. To this day, I have 0 regrets.

posted March 29, 2023 09:21 AM            

I’m a Leo sun, Mercury, Venus, and mars, and I’m the same way. Life is an absolute joy to be experienced, even in dark times. That’s not to say I don’t get down or depressed. It’s just that we don’t stay in that state for long, and we definitely don’t like to bring others down with us.

posted March 29, 2023 01:38 PM            

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Leo Mercury. I find it hard to be open about my vulnerabilities. I have no other Leo influence, no 5th house, nothing.

I am fully aware of my shortcomings, I guess I just hope that if I don't talk about them, they stay hidden? It's like the elephant in the room kind of thing.

I had a good friend, female Leo Sun. She had a very hard time acknowledging her own vulnerabilities. She was very quick to cover it up with what the other person's faults were. She would apologize or say she contributed to a problem, but it didn't feel sincere. I loved her but her lack of ownership in issues came to be the undoing of our friendship.

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I had a friend (Tau) tell me something that was very personal. After they disclosed that, i felt that I also could share something that was deeply personal.

I realized that this reciprocity deepened our friendship and elevated it in many ways that I didn't know it could be before that.

I respect that people have boundaries. And I will not encroach on that boundary because I want to manipulate someone into sharing information.

I notice that some Cancer placements can get off on that i.e. they have such a need to nurture and feel needed, they can "tweak" your vulnerable area so that when you cry, they can come running to you to soothe you.

I am not talking about that. I am talking about a conversation that will naturally evolve to that space and then it goes deeper than the level surface rapport.

posted March 30, 2023 02:37 AM            

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If someone avoids talking about feelings and vulnerabilities it probably has more to do with their maturity level, lack of trust or major differences in how the other person deals with feelings. I wouldn’t say Leos in particular are emotionally closed.

If it sheds any light, as a woman with Asc and Moon in Leo, I can say I’m pretty open except when I’m with a person that has a drastically different way of processing emotionally hard stuff. E.g. if I feel that talking with that person blocks me somehow from jumping back to the enthusiastic, joyful side as quickly as possible. This has to do with genuine differences in how we process feelings and incompatibility. E.g. I personally may have a hard time bonding with Scorpios or Cancers, nor they have any interest in me I may smile and joke when I cry in front of my partner and even if I'm depressed, people generally can't tell. But that's not due to being emotionally closed - I'd say it's because typical Leos really dislike being in a dark place or feeling weak, and at the same time they also easily light up with others.

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I guess I understand that they don't want to be in a dark place. I am similar. But i tend to embrace the dark fully knowing that it is at the darkest hours that dawn is just seconds away.

Sag is often seen as the joker or the type to not take anything seriously. Though this is true,it is also true that as a Sag stellium myself (including Sun) , i must also make sense of the not so pleasant.

Similar to Aqua, I tend to detach myself from the negative that is going on around me in order to look at the bigger picture. It doesn't necessarily mean i glaze over it, but I do find ways to intellectualize it and therefore verbalize it to another so that they understand how it feels.

Its like when I explain it to them, on some level, I gain even greater clarity on it too. Maybe most Leos I meet are not intellectually inclined? But its not even about that really but being able to articulate what is going on inside.

My Aqua mate has always been the type to pass a book on grief on to you rather than offer physical affection. He is terrible with hugs and anything physically demonstrative.But once I was really going through the most, then he hugged me. This coming from a Sun/Ven/Mars in Aqua with Asc in Cap was BIG.

But the moment called for it. And after all these years , i think we are more comfortable being demonstrative with each other. It takes a while for Sag and Aqua to get to that point. And I have to admit that it is I that is less physically affectionate( generally) than he is. This even with Moon/Venu in water signs Cancer and Sco respectively.

When he was going through trials & tribulations with an ex(a Leo) , i also reciprocated in kind. I made it a point to be very supportive throughout.

From the perspective you shared however, perhaps you are right. Maybe many Leos do see the expression of their vulnerabilities as "weak"? Not to say that you can't express that to them, but they may judge themselves more harshly doing the same with you?

posted March 30, 2023 05:15 AM            

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Sag is often seen as the joker or the type to not take anything seriously. Though this is true,it is also true that as a Sag stellium myself (including Sun) , i must also make sense of the not so pleasant.

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That's interesting - Leo and Sag are supposed to be really compatible. But perhaps there are some other factors at play there.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

From the perspective you shared however, perhaps you are right. Maybe many Leos do see the expression of their vulnerabilities as "weak"? Not to say that you can't express that to them, but they may judge themselves more harshly doing the same with you?

Hence Cancer is tucked away in the 12th house in the solar chart. All of that must be hidden away from everyone's view. This even from themselves🤔

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posted March 30, 2023 11:03 AM            

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That's interesting - Leo and Sag are supposed to be really compatible. But perhaps there are some other factors at play there.

I take "compatibility" to be "the ability to get along effortlessly provided there aren't any impediments in the way."

Leo & Sag ARE compatible. I have seen it myself & witnessed it. But in my observations, it does take some adjustments and understanding from one (usually the Sag) to get things going.

If Sag doesn't adjust to Leo (coz Leo is fixed and will not be doing the adjusting), NOTHING MOVES. And I mean NOTHING will happen between these two.

Could be... we had several people here with Leo placements saying they don't easily talk about their vulnerabilities. That would be even more true for males than females. I had 2 long term relationships with male Leos, and have 2 Leo brothers. Honestly, I never even thought about how much they show their vulnerable side, because I feel like a part of the same pride with them. But comparing them to some other exes (Aquarius, Aries, Scorpio...), maybe it is true they are less likely to show their weaknesses. Or, you know, as said earlier, they simply think they don't have many - Lions are at the top of the food chain after all But that certainly doesn't prevent them from building intimacy over time.

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posted March 31, 2023 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I just can't stand people who act so self-important. Had an Aqua friend with Moon in Leo who was very much about themselves. Our friendship didn't last.

There was always this thing of them thinking or (at least) acting as is they were "better" than people. Didn't like it. I ended up just ghosting them. To this day, I have 0 regrets.

This is an exception to the rule. Many other Leo placements have been lovely. But my issue is still not being able to connect with them on a deeper level. It feels as if they are not being authentic.

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Everybody is so fake and ego driven. I haven’t seen authentic people for long time.

posted April 01, 2023 02:15 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b] I just can't stand people who act so self-important. Had an Aqua friend with Moon in Leo who was very much about themselves. Our friendship didn't last.

There was always this thing of them thinking or (at least) acting as is they were "better" than people. Didn't like it. I ended up just ghosting them. To this day, I have 0 regrets.

This is an exception to the rule. Many other Leo placements have been lovely. But my issue is still not being able to connect with them on a deeper level. It feels as if they are not being authentic.

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Everybody is so fake and ego driven. I haven’t seen authentic people for long time.

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posted April 04, 2023 08:46 PM            

It takes a bit of time for us to open up because 1. trust - are you really interested in me because you're interested, or is it for gossip and my confidence will be broken (we can be awfully trusting and this happens too much until we learn to be more careful), 2. we are protective and as a protector, we don't want to reveal any vulnerabilities (esp not too soon) so that you think we're too weak to protect you, 3. don't want to diminish in your eyes - image is very important, 4. depends on the rest of the chart - some of us will tell you our life stories within the first five minutes of meeting you and more of us are more reserved and need to trust you.

For the most part, it's not for bad reasons that we aren't forthcoming - we're fixed fire. We do things on our time table. We open up when we're good and ready and like the other fixed signs, we will not be rushed.

posted April 05, 2023 11:19 AM            

I guess what i am learning from these responses is that Leo takes longer to trust. That there is this external facade & internal persona that is necessary for them to maintain and differentiate between. That the former is exclusive and no amount of probing by this clumsy Sag will coach it out. They do this so the "self" externally can keep on shining. Its all good.👌🏿

As a Sag, one of the most difficult things for me to understand about Leo is their pride. I thought it more of an impediment i.e. just let it go Leo. You don't need it.

But perhaps "Pride" is a bad swear word to me, whilst it is dignity/esteem and self worth to them? So whilst the joker jokes (Sag). There is often a philosophy held deeply beyond that joke. And that philosophy to every comedian, is NO joke.

And as much as i would like my philosophies to be respected, I must do the same to not tamper with what others consider essential to their own well-being?

I have learned to ease up on my "truths". Not out of self repression. But because many times the "truth" of Sag belies a sarcastic tongue disappointed by dashed dreams. And with it, the need for others to feel the sting of that disappointment too.

But many will not dare speak of this bitterness openly. They will deny that even a "dark" side exists. If i let my fellow Archers be, why ask the Lions to expose a side to them that they are uncomfortable with ?