posted March 29, 2025 10:51 PM            

I'm a Scorpio ascendant, Aries Sun. I don't pull this kind of crap. My Cappy sister did. It's wild to think about how manipulative and calculating she could be. I can think of all kinds of good things about her, too, even though we no longer speak. But there are things that people would never suspect, because she's so quiet and polite. Very pulled together outwardly.

posted March 30, 2025 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I've dealt with Capricorn rage. It was not fun.

I'm a Scorpio ascendant, Aries Sun. I don't pull this kind of crap. My Cappy sister did. It's wild to think about how manipulative and calculating she could be. I can think of all kinds of good things about her, too, even though we no longer speak. But there are things that people would never suspect, because she's so quiet and polite. Very pulled together outwardly.

I'm going to edit some of this out soon.

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Exactly, I thought it was the scorpio and suspected it might be the cappy moon. Yes, she looks and behaves very put together and reasonable to the outside world. Very calm, measured quiet tone of voice when she presents her arguments. That's why this is so upsetting as I would look like the nut if I spoke up about this.There's an icy, ironclad hold on her image which in no way she wants to relinquish.She's not doing her kids any favours as they've picked this trait up and they don't allow themselves to show any "weakness".

posted March 30, 2025 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by odalix:
Exactly, I thought it was the scorpio and suspected it might be the cappy moon. Yes, she looks and behaves very put together and reasonable to the outside world. Very calm, measured quiet tone of voice when she presents her arguments. That's why this is so upsetting as I would look like the nut if I spoke up about this.There's an icy, ironclad hold on her image which in no way she wants to relinquish.She's not doing her kids any favours as they've picked this trait up and they don't allow themselves to show any "weakness".

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posted March 30, 2025 09:19 AM            

i say that because of your choice of words talking about him having jobs that aren't enough when you yourself don't have one and seem to be being provided for as well in this situation (or are you living off of savings? how much is your sister doing for you here? this of course doesnt make her entitled to control you or act the way she does, but it does paint a more clear picture of you, which you haven't done much of in this post.) then you involve your daughter in your issues to outsource her as back up and use her (but without giving her full details, just like you've given us barely any) to speak to another person who shouldn't be put in the middle to do what? your niece and your daughter have no place in this, why are you involving them with hidden details?

you're escalating and creating a much larger problem talking about wanting to diffuse it. i'm not sure you realize this you seem blind to your side of this (unless you're very deeply dishonest), but both you and your sister are both acting in ways that are toxic.

posted March 30, 2025 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
few things stand out here to me. suggesting aa is a pretty terrible idea for many people, for one thing there's the reality of the religious undertones that are not only borderline predatory but also polarizing in aa, which isn't helpful. you also can't force an addict to quit like that, but it's a near entirely useless solution anyway and i feel like you should know that. it does help people, they're very few and far between. his depression is more of an issue. you've given no examples of her controlling behavior which i find curious, the way you've constructed this narrative and your own behavior makes me think both of you are engaging in toxic behavior in spite of you feeling specifically victimized.

i say that because of your choice of words talking about him having jobs that aren't enough when you yourself don't have one and seem to be being provided for as well in this situation (or are you living off of savings? how much is your sister doing for you here? this of course doesnt make her entitled to control you or act the way she does, but it does paint a more clear picture of you, which you haven't done much of in this post.) then you involve your daughter in your issues to outsource her as back up and use her (but without giving her full details, just like you've given us barely any) to speak to another person who shouldn't be put in the middle to do what? your niece and your daughter have no place in this, why are you involving them with hidden details?

you're escalating and creating a much larger problem talking about wanting to diffuse it. i'm not sure you realize this you seem blind to your side of this (unless you're very deeply dishonest), but both you and your sister are both acting in ways that are toxic.

anyway can't give genuine advice with so little to go on.can only say making the issue bigger by involving others doesnt diffuse it, it expands it.

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Thanks for your feedback which I appreciate. While I can go on about the great and not so great aspects of AA(yes, it's not for everyone)-there's men only and women only meetings online and in person but the program also says "Take what you want and leave the rest". There are many other non-twelve step programs such Recovery Dharma(Buddhism based) which can be found online and in person.
As for the personal,complex and difficult situation I'm in and this being an astrology forum, I was asking for insight on what to do about a scorpio's rage or maybe capricorn moon's traits in such a situation while providing some basic context. Thank you again and I wish you well.

posted March 30, 2025 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Sweet dear Lord, NO! You can’t do this to yourself. Find any way to get out of there because it’s not a healthy situation! This has nothing to do with zodiac signs!! All the best to you!

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Yes, that's what I thought and thank you.

posted March 30, 2025 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by odalix:
Thanks for your feedback which I appreciate. While I can go on about the great and not so great aspects of AA(yes, it's not for everyone)-there's men only and women only meetings online and in person but the program also says "Take what you want and leave the rest". There are many other non-twelve step programs such Recovery Dharma(Buddhism based) which can be found online and in person.
As for the personal,complex and difficult situation I'm in and this being an astrology forum, I was asking for insight on what to do about a scorpio's rage or maybe capricorn moon's traits in such a situation while providing some basic context. Thank you again and I wish you well.

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posted March 31, 2025 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
This is horrible you need to leave with someone you don’t feel safe or comfortable with.I think Scorpio manipulation here is that they make you feel like you should tolerate it because he is an addict or has problems.
I see it’s more a legal question. If your mother left place for both of you. You should have equal say who can be here and feel comfortable about it.
You can pressure her to sell place so you can get your piece and get out. Or set your rules in the place.
If your sister has more legal rights for some reasons. It’s better to find a way to get out than play those toxic games. You cannot talk Scorpio back from controlling or manipulating. They live for it🙂

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posted March 31, 2025 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
This is horrible you need to leave with someone you don’t feel safe or comfortable with.I think Scorpio manipulation here is that they make you feel like you should tolerate it because he is an addict or has problems.
I see it’s more a legal question. If your mother left place for both of you. You should have equal say who can be here and feel comfortable about it.
You can pressure her to sell place so you can get your piece and get out. Or set your rules in the place.
If your sister has more legal rights for some reasons. It’s better to find a way to get out than play those toxic games. You cannot talk Scorpio back from controlling or manipulating. They live for it🙂

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I 100% agree. My Cancer mom was briefly living with my Scorpio aunt when she found a job back in town.

We were renting out the downtown condo at the time and my Scorpio aunt said she could stay with her.

Out of the blue they got into some argument over something trivial about the lock???

My mom didn't even bother reasoning with my aunt she just refunded the renter's, help them find a new place, moved into the condo, and instructed me not to bother answering my Scorpio aunts calls when she needed things fixed at her house.

I think the fact that now she didn't have anyone to help her to fix things and my mom had her ostracized from the rest of family, every one up to my second cousin knew
about the argument and just avoided my aunt.

This is what gave my mom some leverage otherwise I doubt she whould have mend things with my mom.

I think having some leverage over a scorpio and birth order makes a difference.

My Sag uncle is older then my Scorpio aunt, he always calls her evil yet because of the birth order she'll always eventually submit to him.

@odalix were are you in the birth order with your sister? Just my theory the oldest born Scorpio whould act and reason differently vs the youngest born.

posted March 31, 2025 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I 100% agree. My Cancer mom was briefly living with my Scorpio aunt when she found a job back in town.

We were renting out the downtown condo at the time and my Scorpio aunt said she could stay with her.

Out of the blue they got into some argument over something trivial about the lock???

My mom didn't even bother reasoning with my aunt she just refunded the renter's, help them find a new place, moved into the condo, and instructed me not to bother answering my Scorpio aunts calls when she needed things fixed at her house.

I think the fact that now she didn't have anyone to help her to fix things and my mom had her ostracized from the rest of family, every one up to my second cousin knew
about the argument and just avoided my aunt.

This is what gave my mom some leverage otherwise I doubt she whould have mend things with my mom.

I think having some leverage over a scorpio and birth order makes a difference.

My Sag uncle is older then my Scorpio aunt, he always calls her evil yet because of the birth order she'll always eventually submit to him.

@odalix were are you in the birth order with your sister? Just my theory the oldest born Scorpio whould act and reason differently vs the youngest born.

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posted April 01, 2025 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I 100% agree. My Cancer mom was briefly living with my Scorpio aunt when she found a job back in town.

We were renting out the downtown condo at the time and my Scorpio aunt said she could stay with her.

Out of the blue they got into some argument over something trivial about the lock???

My mom didn't even bother reasoning with my aunt she just refunded the renter's, help them find a new place, moved into the condo, and instructed me not to bother answering my Scorpio aunts calls when she needed things fixed at her house.

I think the fact that now she didn't have anyone to help her to fix things and my mom had her ostracized from the rest of family, every one up to my second cousin knew
about the argument and just avoided my aunt.

This is what gave my mom some leverage otherwise I doubt she whould have mend things with my mom.

I think having some leverage over a scorpio and birth order makes a difference.

My Sag uncle is older then my Scorpio aunt, he always calls her evil yet because of the birth order she'll always eventually submit to him.

@odalix were are you in the birth order with your sister? Just my theory the oldest born Scorpio whould act and reason differently vs the youngest born.

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posted April 01, 2025 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
The leverage is probably only way to make a deal with irrational aggression or manipulations. 💨

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That and ostracizing the person, once they've realized there now some kind of pariah or been vilified for their behaviour by everyone they'll start to change.

My scorpio grandma started becoming nicer towards everyone in her final years after everyone just avoided her.

My Capricorn sister whould be like grandma is so sweet, I'd still b I'm not going anywhere near that old lady not even with a 10ft pole, lol.

@odalix. I'd just focus on finding a safer environment first. You don't need any extra unnecessary stress to your mental health.

Once that's been taken care of refocus on dealing with your sister.

How big is your family? Is it just you and your sister?

Too bad you couldn't stay with another family member or your daughter until things settle?

If your daughter is living with a partner, whould her partner understand? Are you on good terms with her partner?

I recall a second cousin on my dad's side moving in with us.

My Cancer parents welcome my cousin into the house until things settled.

My Mon was okay with it, typically she dislikes my dad's side but she was on good terms with my second cousin before hand.

posted April 05, 2025 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
That and ostracizing the person, once they've realized there now some kind of pariah or been vilified for their behaviour by everyone they'll start to change.

My scorpio grandma started becoming nicer towards everyone in her final years after everyone just avoided her.

My Capricorn sister whould be like grandma is so sweet, I'd still b I'm not going anywhere near that old lady not even with a 10ft pole, lol.

@odalix. I'd just focus on finding a safer environment first. You don't need any extra unnecessary stress to your mental health.

Once that's been taken care of refocus on dealing with your sister.

How big is your family? Is it just you and your sister?

Too bad you couldn't stay with another family member or your daughter until things settle?

If your daughter is living with a partner, whould her partner understand? Are you on good terms with her partner?

I recall a second cousin on my dad's side moving in with us.

My Cancer parents welcome my cousin into the house until things settled.

My Mon was okay with it, typically she dislikes my dad's side but she was on good terms with my second cousin before hand.

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posted April 05, 2025 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
Wow two very strong signs. Don't let her stubbornness strong-arm you. Save up enough money and move out! This is a very manipulative situation.

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posted April 05, 2025 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
That and ostracizing the person, once they've realized there now some kind of pariah or been vilified for their behaviour by everyone they'll start to change.

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posted April 05, 2025 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

Sometimes you cannot teach the old dogs new tricks.
I’m starting to think water sign might be more submissive to social pressure than fire.

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eh sometimes all the social pressure in the world can't change someone due to an fundamental inability within a person to make actual changes at whatever place they're in, and it has nothing to do with bending to pressure.

posted April 06, 2025 10:11 AM            

---First of all, I would rather look at their Mars and any natal aspects to their Mars, because their Mars represents their action principle.

---Secondly, I would check out their Pluto -some astrologers call Pluto the higher octave of Mars... basically Mars on speed.

---Thirdly, I would look at their Saturn. Once I had an employee working under me who had Saturn smacked on some personal planets of mine. That person had so much control over me and kept undermining me and I could not shake her off, I ended up resigning.

posted April 06, 2025 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

Sometimes you cannot teach the old dogs new tricks.
I’m starting to think water sign might be more submissive to social pressure than fire.

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To be honest...I think you might be right.

I'm dealing with a Transit Jupiter Opposite Uranus right now. People around me are asking me to bail them out financial!!.

1) I Just bailed out an older Cancer sun friend. "Pride Always comes before a fall" with him. He'll never break this habit.

2) Then there's my Cancer mom who's always been frugal...even today. She has the reputation by my Aunts and uncles as being the cheapest. She did engrave me to live within my means.

3) Then there's my Capricorn sun, Scorpio moon sister her HS math teacher called that her daughter, my Gemini neice is failing math. Mercurial wise I'm alot stronger then her.

Sister asks me if I can pay to get her a tutor I said fine, I added I'd also like to see her make more time to study, that's 50% of what the problem is. She has her enrolled in other things that's taking time away.

My sister refuses, so I then called my neice asked her what exactly is the issue, what resources she needs.

I came to the conclusion that the Teacher, my neice, and I are all on the same page on what needs to be done. It's my sister that's the problem.

Laugh away, my neice said on the phone my mom can be hard headed. I said I know. I'm your uncle or your Mom's younger brother she doesn't even listen to me half the time too.

I never talk down to my neice and nephews or put out that I know more then them.

I always treat them like adolescences trying to figure their way through life too.

I'm still arguing with my sister about it.

posted April 06, 2025 05:12 PM            

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I know Scorpios have a reputation, lol, but I would not look at someone's sun sign to figure out how to deal with their rage.

---First of all, I would rather look at their Mars and any natal aspects to their Mars, because their Mars represents their action principle.

---Secondly, I would check out their Pluto -some astrologers call Pluto the higher octave of Mars... basically Mars on speed.

---Thirdly, I would look at their Saturn. Once I had an employee working under me who had Saturn smacked on some personal planets of mine. That person had so much control over me and kept undermining me and I could not shake her off, I ended up resigning.

---Lastly, I would look at how their Mars, Pluto and Saturn are interracting with MY planets. And how my Mars, Pluto and Saturn are interacting with their planets.

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posted April 06, 2025 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by odalix:
Hi,

I have a real problem. I moved in with my sister, Scorpio Sun/ moon in capricorn(I don't have her birth time) ten years ago into the appartment my mother bought for us. My mother was elderly and we looked after her.She passed in 2021.
Since then, her 40 yr son lost his job and moved in with us.He has since found a menial job but not enough to survive on his own.He's deeply depressed and drinks,he refuses any help.My sister is enabling him and is very,very controlling of the household.I finally brought it up in a calm and respectful way: the drinking, the controlling up, suggested AA and asked her to please stop with the micromanaging. She's gone into stealth mode and is in denial; I find a hole ripped in my sweater in my room, passive/aggressive behaviour with some verbal sadism .She took the boundary setting( I call it a gentle curtain) and even suggesting her son had a problem as an outrage(shame and guilt for what's happening in her life).I'm trapped as I am looking for a job and not sure what to do as I am walking on eggshells now. I'm also quite isolated due to feeling awful.I finally spoke to my daughter today about this situation( without the details) and my daughter is going to speak to my niece,the scorpio's daughter. I'm also looking into family therapy.I'm very afraid of the backlash and don't know how to talk to a scorpio to diffuse this?

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Astrology aside, does she own the apartment? Is it now in her name?

If your mother left the apartment to both of you then it sounds like you guys need to sit down and compromise. The situation isn't fair to you if you are uncomfortable and feeling put out/ isolated.

Capricorn energy is very cold and authoritarian. Someone with softer placements would feel very hurt and misunderstood. You deserve to be happy, or at least comfortable, too.

Family is supposed to stick together, but it takes all parties involved for it to work. If this is an impossible situation, you are doing the right thing by trying to find other options.

posted April 08, 2025 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by odalix:

I don't know her birth time.
Mars =Libra
Saturn-Scorpio
Pluto=Leo which has a 7 degree orb from my Leo sun in the 12th.
that's about all I garner.

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Mars in Libra is typically not dangerous, but it is still Mars. Does her Mars square or oppose any of your planets?

Saturn in Scorpio is powerful. Does her Saturn square or oppose any of your planets?

The Pluto wide orb conjunction to your Sun in 12th house can be unsettling. The 12th house is that place in a house, like the attic, where things can go bump in the night! And her Pluto there conjunct your Sun makes for strange bedfellows. I would say based on this aspect alone to thread carefully.

I wouldn't confront her anymore. Regardless of astrology, it is a difficult endeavor to confront people, even relatives, about their no good kids.

If I were you, I would de-escalate the situation, keep my sentiments to myself and plot my exit, even if it takes months for it to happen. After you move out, you can then suggest selling the apartment and splitting the profits. That is what i would do.