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Dee
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posted June 15, 2009 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=7829005&page=1

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lalalinda
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posted June 15, 2009 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
WOW what a trip, thanks for posting this Dee.

My youngest is ADHD and last year was such a pain in the you know what. Dr.'s, School, the whole getting the right medication trip was enough for me to decide to home school him this coming year and keep him off the Meds altogether.

Yay Dee

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Dee
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posted June 15, 2009 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message
Im glad this link helped.I Homeschool my daughter also. It seems there are more parents going this route in the last few years

I find it quite frightening the amount of time a drug is on the market before these terrible side effects are found out

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posted June 15, 2009 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the article, Dee.
Pretty scary
My boy takes the meds blamed in the article, Adderall XR.

However.....

"This article cannot address a possible large question: How many lives are saved because of stimulant medications," he said. "How many children do not impulsively run out in the street, are inattentive to a car turning into their lane of traffic, don't climb out on a roof and fall because they are appropriately medicated and less impulsive and inattentive because of the therapeutic effects?"

Normally, I'd be the last person on Earth to defend pharmaceuticals, but this paragraph makes sense (to me), as I have helplessly watched with terror, 100 feet away, when my (unmedicated) child ran right out into the street without looking and narrowly missed being hit by a car.....

If these meds can protect him for just a couple more years from the dangers of his thoughtless/impulse behavior, then I think he'll be able to go off the meds for good as he gains maturity and better coping skills.

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Lyra
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posted June 19, 2009 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message
There is no such thing as ADHD. It is a fake disorder concocted by evil doctors and teachers who would seek to pull the wool over our eyes and medicate people into submission. Wake up everybody! They are conning you! I can't believe people believe this sort of stuff. What the hell do they expect these kids to do when they grow up? Are they going to keep them on drugs forever or what? This is almost as bad as performing a f**king lobotomy, for Christ's sake.

The education system is only there to nanny people and give them *something* to do, whatever little that may be. It is FALSE, and has nothing to do with *education* whatever. We have no reason to expect our children to sit still in schools. That is not what Nature intended us to do and as I grow older my hatred for the education system is becoming ever more ingrained. It's all a fake. Nature intended us to do more physical activity, and I don't mean in the fake sense of cr*ppy school "sports" - I mean in the sense of REAL activity, like hunting for food or working on the land (how many of us get to do that?) - or learning to build our own houses like children in some Mormon cults do (we could surely take a leaf out of their book, though admittedly not in the religious sense). Or doing creative stuff. Everything else is just b*ll*cks.

ADHD - my a$$. Prosecute the doctors and the evil drug manufacturers - not the kids. If people in so-called "civilized" societies can't handle what amounts to fairly usual behaviour, that's just too bad. Another example of control freakery. I pity any child who falls prey to this rubbish.

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posted June 28, 2009 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I don't want to say much.

I have ADHD.

I don't believe in psychiatric medications for ADHD because I don't see ADHD as a disorder that needs to be medication.

I just see it as an alternative way of being,thinking,and learning which is a mismatch for mainstream schools,work environments,and well overall industral society.


I believe in Thom Hartmann's Hunter view of ADHD.

Scientific findings of the DRD4 7R gene(dated back 10,000 to 40,000 years ago) connected to novelty seeking and to half of ADHD cases seems to support Thom Hartmann's theory.


there are also numerous causes of ADHD symptoms too....so it complicates things.

even the symptoms of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia overlap with ADHD. There is strong comorbidity with those neurodivergent conditions. I have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD myself.

I won't judge parents for medicating their child. That's none of my business. I will never medicate my future children. They will just go to a Waldorf School or Montessori School. I will also make sure that get proper nutrition including Omega 3 fatty acids. I will use also the Davis methods and other special learning programs,aromatherapy,and massage and other holistic things.


Raymond.

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posted June 28, 2009 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Plenty of famous scientists and inventors likely had ADHD. Einstein was one, and given his trouble in school, it's a no-brainer that he'd have been doped up today, and likely his genius & wit denied to society as a result.

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koiflower
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posted June 28, 2009 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Each case has its own merits:

Firstly, education is compulsory. It is a government designed system. For those who live in a country that educates its children need to support the system. It needs divergent thinkers to keep it a broad effective structure.

Also, many parents need to look at their own input into their children. Food they ate during pregnancy, food they feed their child, the hours of EMF equipment used to silence and 'entertain' their children, who have delicate and developing brain tissue.

And then there are the children born with an abundance of stress hormones in their system. Who knows, what the mother went through while carrying their child - a death of a parent, a death of a partner, a car accident.

Alternatives are great - diet, cognitive behaviour therapy etc. Now I'm going to use the word 'but'..................

But, when a child waves knives around other children, or runs out in front of traffic and gets hit by cars, then let's put them on short term medication that will help keep them and others safe, alive and well.

I have known 3 children that have been hit by vehicles in the last 3 years.

Amphetamines are not a nice idea when you think of children. But in the short-term they can provide parents a lot of relief during some very stressful years, as well as give the child a 'break' from their stressful reactions/triggers that surround them.

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starr33
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posted June 28, 2009 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for posting, Dee. I used to be on Adderall and it screwed up my mind, so I stopped taking it. Then my doctor put me on Vivanse and I wanted to kill myself. I'm done.

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Dervish
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posted June 28, 2009 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
It just occurs to me that technically my cousin was ADHD. He was treated with a belt, which sharply curtailed his symptoms.

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posted June 28, 2009 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Dervish,

my mother and stepfather did the same to me. I got spankings in childhood. Got spanked by my stepsisters too.

therefore, my ADHD symptoms were curtailed too

so my ADHD wasn't hyperactive type.
It was inattentive type...the spacey,daydreaming,disorganized,forgetful,misplacing/losing things.not completing homework assignments type...but also talkative,fidget a lot in my seat....restless,hyperactive mind and hypersensitive and shortfuse,lose my temper easily,impulsive

a strong interest in novelty and unconventional

nonlinear,visual,picture,lateral thinking

having poor concept of time, being late a lot

found textbook and auditory sequential learning difficult


oversensitivity to flourescent lights in the classroom might have factored

omega 3 fatty acid defiencies also might have factored

some of those symptoms are also common in Dyslexics and Dyspraxics

I don't believe in spankings either.
they only created fear,resentment,and anger
as I got in my teens, I got very rebellious with my parents.


I also believe that my quick reflexes and my great speed,and tendency to do things rapidly was connected to ADHD

I can totally relate to Thom Hartmann's ADHD Hunter Theory.


Raymond

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koiflower
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posted June 28, 2009 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I'm very open to Tomm Hartmann's theory! As he states, "It's not hard science".

Which throws me back to my theory. We live in a left-brained society and it squeezes the brain-brain into a little corner to survive - but that's what happens when a society is based on the economy and keeping shareholders happy.

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Dervish
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posted June 28, 2009 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Personally, I can't imagine any child NOT fidgeting in a seat. Schools are unnatural (however, learning is not--but what many don't realize is that schools are often antithetical to learning anyway).

My cousin's symptoms, besides having normal childhood energy which prevents steady sitting still in school and its mind crushing boredom, were more along the lines of acting out and acting self-destructive in stupid ways. Granny even told me that as a toddler, he'd run right into a wall so hard that he'd bounce & fall. He'd shriek in anger, get up, and run into it again. As he got older, he continued to be reckless...oh, so many stories I could share...so many whuppings he got...which he actually BRAGS about (because it shows how tough he is and how his free spirit can't be crushed), though he'd straighten up for awhile in between whippings.

He got into enough fights. I don't think he really started them much, but he didn't hesitate to knock someone down if they dared him to in any fashion. But one time he got a serious whipping was when he and I were home alone, and bored he got one of the toy guns that shot pellets (similar to bb guns) and shot me 3 times before I had enough and got the other gun and had a gun fight with him. That lasted until one of his shots was less than an inch from my left eye, and cut it enough to bleed, as well as swelling really hard. Granny got him good for that one.

Though one time Granny let him off, but I'd gotten him worse. He liked making homemade fireworks (including using the materials used to blow tree stumps out of the ground, among other things--ie, like dynamite, and he'd bragged to me about destroying mail boxes with 'em before). One day while he and a friend of his were shooting them off, he called me over and asked me to hold something for him. When I asked him what, he (back turned to me) said, "This," and then turned and popped one of his homemade fireworks with a burning fuse in my hand!

I shrieked and threw it, and it made a huge boom (I'd have needed an ambulance had I not thrown it in time, possibly with permanent injuries), and then I chased him down and beat the crap out of him. Given our size differences and all, he could've fought me off, but I think in retrospect that it was a mix of his laughing so hard (making him weak) and KNOWING he deserved to get beaten up that allowed me to mess him up pretty good. When Granny asked later what happened to him, we told her, and she said I saved her the trouble and let the matter drop.

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posted June 28, 2009 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Dervish - interesting read! I don't know what to say other than I'm glad you had good reactive skills to throw the cracker away in time!!!

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posted June 28, 2009 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond, I'm also of the inactive type, quick to anger, and very sensitive to light.

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