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Topic: What is LL to do?
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Writesomething
Knowflake Posts: 994
From: meet me in montauk
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 08:11 PM
 
What is LL to do when someone declares they want to commit suicide? I cringe at the thought, and am saddened to think the person might actually go thru with it. I think its only proper to try to reach the local authorities to help the person. Im not sure what to do when i read this sort of thing online,I feel most of the time they just want someone to listen and talk to, yet you never know how serious it is...what are your thoughts on this? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201766.html IP: Logged |
katatonic
Knowflake Posts: 1099
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 08:13 PM
i feel like you, write, i want to provide support but it is so hard online...hate to ignore a cry for help, but then sometimes all you get is your head bitten off, and it's hard to tell if you're helping or hurting...do the mods know where people are so they can contact at least the samaritans?the swap thread APPEARS to have fallen on deaf ears (blind eyes)...have to admit i felt a hunch to leave that one alone. plenty of supportive replies, but who knows where it goes? IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 404
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 08:33 PM
kat, we don't have any access to peoples' locations -- we (and Randall) can narrow it down to a local area with the IP address (I think??) but not necessarily the town  And is it right for "the authorities" to intervene?? I believe that all we can do is offer our compassion, and our experience, strength and hope..... I think we need to try, although our words might either pull the sufferer out or drive them deeper into their abyss..... I still wonder if Sinderlou is OK (one who never returned to LL) IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 08:58 PM
I am there, on the brink, looking down.
Forced help would make me jump immediately.
Prayers p!ss me off.
I may or may not pull out on my own.
Time and luck will tell.
Maybe I'll just keel over.
I feel as if I am dying several times a day, it hurts so horribly and things not working normal body wise in several areas.
I have been around too many suicidal persons for some time and terminal ones.
I swear suicidal ideation is contagious.
I get bummed out when people younger and healthier and financially well off...
basically have it much much much better than I do....go on about wanting to off themselves.
I feel and know damn well I am a big burden.
Love does not negate that terrible fact.
And when caregiver syndrome hits and that person is having seizures and issues too....
Yeah whoopie do dah.
When I too often have to be cared for like a helpless baby.
When I live in bed more than out of it.
When the agony and vision troubles are bad really bad.
When I wonder if we will lose our home soon.
My quality of life sucks big time of late.
Same for those closest to me offline.
Too much pain, clueless stupid expensive doctors, can't afford them, job cuts, roof disintegrating...
Yeah wah wah wah....
I could go on and on.
I want to live, but if others who are way better off than I am want to die....
then wtf am I hanging around for?
Offline, friends who are not dead yet, stay away....no one wants to hang out with a burden....and I am too exhausted and too often bed bound to host.
Several from LL have wanted to visit me...a few have become dire enemies because I said no and they felt rejected....some are respectful but just dissappointed.
What part of not wanting to host from bed don't folks get? Or when I am having facial palsy/body spasms...drooling and slurring?
My Narcalepsy has kicked back into high gear to boot.Wish such folks well.
Listen to them.
But please,
do not report them. IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 09:07 PM
Zala  quote:
And is it right for "the authorities" to intervene?? I believe that all we can do is offer our compassion, and our experience, strength and hope..... I think we need to try, although our words might either pull the sufferer out or drive them deeper into their abyss.....
I agree.
And in my situation....
I detest anyone telling me how I should feel unless they have been there in some ways themselves.
I detest folks who are healthy, financially well off and all telling me to enjoy life, it can't be that bad.
Well it is. They have no freaking idea.
I am tired of being strong for everyone.
I am tired of pity or platitudes...or ridicule from young healthy twits in public who laugh at me and try and have tripped me for fun, breaking bones and ribs.
Just overwhelmed and exhausted.
On that note.
Bye for now.
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katatonic
Knowflake Posts: 1099
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 09:27 PM
i was thinking along those lines, the question was kind of wondering if it was even possible. though i have had "what's the point in going on! moments, personallyi have little idea of that abyss and often feel at a loss what to say to someone who is hanging on a limb...except i hope this too will pass dear ones, you are much loved. and don't deserve to be in that place. IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 09:33 PM
katatonic  quote:
i hope this too will pass dear ones, you are much loved. and don't deserve to be in that place.
Keep that thought.
That helps at least a bit.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 404
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 09:54 PM
LEXX, you are loved
And I understand caregivers syndrome only too well
I will continue to "see" you and yours happy, and healthier and in a different/better place, until such time as it becomes so  PS: your pics were wonderful!! You're a special and extraordinary human being and I'm proud and gratified that our paths crossed IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 10:15 PM
Zala quote:
LEXX, you are loved
And I understand caregivers syndrome only too well
I know you do. It is very hard, and it does take its toll, no matter how much love there is.
quote:
I will continue to "see" you and yours happy, and healthier and in a different/better place, until such time as it becomes so
That is absolutely perfect!!!!!!!!!!
Keep that thought!!!!!!! quote:
PS: your pics were wonderful!!
Mine? Or the describe in pics thread ones? quote:
You're a special and extraordinary human being and I'm proud and gratified that our paths crossed
I feel the same about you!!!!!!!!!!Sorry I have been so gloom and doom of late.
Maybe things will improve somehow after the bankruptcy and all the stress there, and hope we do not lose our home and can find a way to repair it before it falls apart or gets condemned.
Terrified, might lose husband's health coverage too, and the prescription part. Too many of those meds are $300 a bottle. So no meds..and even $50 a bottle means no meds as it is.
OK...enough for now.
I feel stupid ranting here.
Remember the time I was ridiculed and laughed at and told I was faking being disabled and all?
I don't need that crap again.
So I stay away and keep quiet.
Not sure why I am ranting now.
I don't like appearing weak. IP: Logged |
katatonic
Knowflake Posts: 1099
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 10:29 PM
weak is not a word that comes to mind when i think of you, lexx. but i understand THAT feeling all too well. (of not needing the bad energy...) glad to see you despite the hard times. we have missed you here!IP: Logged |
Unmoved
Knowflake Posts: 442
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Registered: May 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 10:44 PM
LEXX~ I don't have words to express what reading your post did to me emotionally. I might not be of comfort either. Just know that I love you, and that I hold you very close to my heart. This means that I hurt when you hurt and I hope that explains it. IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2009 10:50 PM
Thank you katatonic.
Unmoved You are so sweet. I know you understand and deeply care. You know I love you too. Please take care of you dear one. OMG I do not want to hurt you.
I am not back yet for regular posting.
Just felt I should reach out at least a little before going back into my cave in hopes the storms pass soon.One more rant then off for now. Advice given by some to me and others, was/is horribly depressing and even p!sses me off to boot!
Stupid advice:
1.go take a brisk walk. Go out, go dancing, (huh? I am disabled!)
2.read a book (Huh? My eyes are wonky since the ocular stroke)
3.I understand(huh? please never say such a thing unless it is totally true)
4. it is against divine plan/a sin.(bite me! and shut up fools)
5.You asked for it/deserve it...(The Louise Hays mindless cruelty crap)
6. Take a long vacation/trip (huh? I am broke, I cannot travel even if I had the cash)
7. stay optimistic/upbeat (I did, for decades, but now I am just so exhausted and no good breaks in sight after all these years)
8.Take a hot bath.(no tub, and cannot bathe unassisted)
9. go shopping! (with what money? And have people stare and laugh at me hobbling with cane to boot?)
OK...enough for now.
I shouldn't even be posting like this.
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MyVirgoMask
Knowflake Posts: 941
From: Bay Area, CA
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 12:27 AM
LEXX, is it stupid to say I just miss seeing you on here?
I'm really, really sorry you're not well and things have been difficult. Last thing I'd do is fling platitudes at you (like from that list above which you've mentioned), so I'll just say I'm truly sorry for what you're having to go through ... and your 'rants' don't offend me at all. I don't see them as rants though, just honest self-expression. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 931
From:
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 02:05 AM
Just wanted to weigh in and say that for me, personally (I cannot speak for anyone else), I sometimes use sites like this as an ANONYMOUS place to find comfort or vent. I have posted thoughts here that I wouldn't want to share with everyone I know in my "real" life. If I were going through a really tough time, like the person who posted that thread (and many of us have been there), it would put me right over the edge into a much, much worse time if some internet site contacted the authorities on my behalf.I keep thinking of the movie "Wings of Desire." Anyway, some studies have shown that praying for someone (or, if you are not religious in that way, sending someone good thoughts) really does contribute to their healing and well-being. It is worth a shot, for each of us to genuinely, privately pray for or send good thoughts to a person who needs our support. We don't even have to let them know we are doing it. Platitudes and fake "I understand how you feels" do suck, but where they're coming from matters. If they're coming from a sanctimonious need for the platitude-spewer to feel self-righteous about how they "did the right thing," yuck. But if someone is trying to make a real human connection and (maybe clumsily) wishing that they could ease another person's suffering, and trying to think of some way (however lame) to do so--I try to cut them slack. IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 08:58 AM
MyVirgoMask
Thank you for your kind words. They are fine! Lucia23
What you said about platitudes, yes, it depends on if it is sincere or simply lip service. Like one of my pet peeves;
When someone asks;
"How are you?"
but does not want a true answer, only a "fine thank you!" stock, often fake reply.
When I ask, I honesty want a real reply not stock crap. As for prayers...
I detest them.
Good wishes, not thinking of me ill etcetera, seeing me as Zala indicated, alive and healthy and doing well in the future!
Too many think of the ill state of a person instead, and pray..
pray for them to be out of pain.
Then that person dies.
Then everyone cries boo hoo, why did Betty die?
Well, they dwelt upon her illness and then they prayed for her to be out of pain.
Well she is, she is dead!
Prayers are like spells, if not phrased exactly right, they will give results that were not expected. Yeah, not what one meant? Well if you cannot phrase it right, do not do it!
Seeing a person well and alive in the future of their current incarnation is best, and or wishing them happier healthier wealthier times.
Note, I said "current" incarnation.
If one wishes a person to be well in the future, they might then die or commit suicide and come back. so be careful about how it is worded...intentions do not count much in prayers/spells. So be it spells or prayers...remember you are tampering and or interfering in a person's life..... Just send thoughts of good health and good fortune for them in this incarnation, much safer and having a predictable outcome, unlike the chaos often involved with spells/prayers.
OK...got to go snuggle up with heating packs and pain/spasm meds.
I have little stamina at this time.
I identify heavily with the character "John Coffey" in the movie "The Green Mile".
And like him, too sensitive, misunderstood, and so forth....I am just so dog tired too.
To all...
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Everyone is a teacher...
Everyone is a student...
Learning is eternal.
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Cheshire Kat
Knowflake Posts: 281
From: Wonderland
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 09:43 AM
Sighs I should stop posting (_V_) I do more harm then good in life..IP: Logged |
Cheshire Kat
Knowflake Posts: 281
From: Wonderland
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 09:47 AM
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cpn_edgar_winner
Knowflake Posts: 878
From: Toledo, OH
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 10:20 AM
i shouldn't have read this thread. it broke my stupid heart.sometimes its the people you least expect that ask, whats this life for? and just dont have a good answer anymore. wierd when you think there are no more tears and the floodgates open, and all the trying seenms futile and the flood washes over your soul. it is sad. i have no idea how to help someone who feels like that. how can i say, life is worth living..YOUR life is worth living. i don't know what they go through, just like no one really knows what i or anyone else goes through. like i said, when it comes to suicide, sometimes it is the people you least expect that just can't deal with it anymore, or find hope in anything anymore. it is just sad. IP: Logged |
Writesomething
Knowflake Posts: 994
From: meet me in montauk
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 11:35 AM
quote:
i feel like you, write, i want to provide support but it is so hard online...hate to ignore a cry for help, but then sometimes all you get is your head bitten off, and it's hard to tell if you're helping or hurting
yes, i feel the same way. calling the authorities or not is a difficult question/choice. most ppl dont want to get involved, which is understandable...but theres apart of me that thinks theres a percentage that actually are going to do something when they discuss it online. some really do need outside intervention. i probably wouldnt call unless something felt extremely alarming..just always feel out of place with these sort of situations. out of place, out of reach... IP: Logged |
LEXX
Moderator Posts: 252
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 01:52 PM
I know this is going to sound weird and or lame as reasons not to die.
And yes, I cannot do theatres/cinema, and must
wait for movies to come out on DVDs.
However. often I can look forward to seeing movies.
When quality of life is not good, looking forward to movies helps more than folks can realize who are not disabled.
So here is a list of why I should hold on for a few more years. (assuming my vision does not get worse and I can financially afford the movies or get them from the library if budget cuts have not closed it down.
#
Coming Soon * 9
* District 9
* G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra
* Gamer
* Inglourious Basterds
* Jennifer’s Body
* Surrogates #
Upcoming Movies * 2012
* Alice in Wonderland
* Avatar
* Batman 3
* Bioshock
* Bond 23
* Bourne 4
* Captain America
* Centurion
* Clash of the Titans
* Deadpool
* Gears of War
* Green Lantern
* Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I
* Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part II
* Indiana Jones 5
* Iron Man 2
* Jonah Hex
* Kick-Ass
* Masters of the Universe
* New Moon
* Ninja Assassin
* Paul
* Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief
* Pirates of the Caribbean 4
* Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
* Resident Evil: Afterlife
* Robin Hood
* Robocop
* Sherlock Holmes
* Sin City 2
* Spider-Man 4
* Star Trek 2
* The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn
* The Avengers
* The Green Hornet
* The Hobbit
* The Last Airbender
* The Wolfman
* Thor
* Transformers 3
* Tron: Legacy
* Venom
* Voyage of the Dawn Treader
* Wanted 2
* War of the Gods
* Wolverine 2
* X-Men Origins: Magneto
* X-Men: First Class ------------------
Everyone is a teacher...
Everyone is a student...
Learning is eternal.
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Lyra
Knowflake Posts: 56
From: London, UK
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2009 02:11 PM
I think it's good to have compassion - unless the person is completely evil, and doesn't deserve it. We all come up against unjust stuff from time to time, and even if one is unhappy seemingly for no reason - sometimes it is just something we have no control over, and we often don't have the ability to put up with things until we get older. IP: Logged |
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