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Topic: What would you think if your child were drawing comics like this?
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MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 12:29 PM
My son is 10 years old and loves drawing comics. Loves it. He has his usual duo of comedic characters that he uses.He lives with me 50% of the time and his dad the other 50%. Today he started a new one called "Mad Dad" In part I - The little kid says "Whoohoo Summer Break!" and is happy.
Mean dad comes in and yells at him "You will still learn from school!" Little boy walks away saying "I hate my dad" Later, little boy is trying to watch television Mad dad yells "GO TO YOUR ROOM!" In part II - front cover is Mad Dad looking at the kid with mean eyebrows and saying "&$)#!*$" and the kid looks sad -
Inside - Nice Mom (that's what he calls her) gives kid a cupcake and says "Sure, you could have a cupccake" Kid is happy and says "Thank you!" Mad dad grabs kid by the head and kid drops cupcake Mad dad says "Good cupcake and BAD BOY!" Mad Dad eats the cupcake himself. Kid gets upset and says "Yeah well your just greedy so there! tpthhhhh!" And the mad dad sends him to his room and slams the door He said in part 4 or 5, Nice Mom is going to realize that the dad is so mean. He plans on drawing those up tomorrow.
His dad yells alot, that's true, and he tends to get mad at the most trivial things that don't warrant it. In contrast, I am told I am very 'zen'. I almost never raise my voice and the little things don't bother me. I guess I'm just concerned... Since I left the ex 3 1/2 years ago, there's been ongoing custody issues. His dad has been difficult at every single turn - mostly just to get back at me. As far as I know, our son doesn't know much about that, though. I never say a bad word about his dad. My son is sensitive. He's brilliant. I'm at least glad he has an outlet for his feelings. I can't bring it up to his dad, though. I've tried that for YEARS with other issues and it doesn't work - nothing ever changes. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 438 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 01:10 PM
OMG MW I wish H could be with Nice Mom *ALL* the time I wonder what would happen if Mad Dad saw the comics?? Do you think there's anything more than verbal abuse going on here??
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MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 01:30 PM
I really don't think there's anything physical going on.Part of the reason I left 3 1/2 years ago was because of the verbal and emotional abuse (and all the infidelity). I just feel bad that my son is so affected by it now, apparently. IP: Logged |
DepTaurus Knowflake Posts: 594 From: canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 01:34 PM
wow MW that really disturbing to here that your son is drawing this. i hope for your sake you get to keep him all to yourself and never have to share him with anyone else.IP: Logged |
blue moon Knowflake Posts: 604 From: U.K Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 01:49 PM
What would I think? The truth? My blood would be up. I would want to know what their father's problem is and how he conducts himself around his children. I would want to know what their father says to them about the situation between us both when I am not around. I would worry about the conflict here between good parent/bad parent and wonder if there is something going on here about setting us off against each other. But, then that's me. I have a temper and kids that play me and their dad off against each other. (We still all live together, happily for the majority of the time). I would be wanting to sit down and talk about this, yes, I would want to know what this was all about. Not just the bit he wants me to hear, I would want to dig deep. But you have to be careful with kids, don't you, I try and wait for them to be ready to tell me stuff and not press too hard. I would not be happy to be presented with this material. Apart from like you say, expressing his emotions through art. I'm sure neither of us would prefer the emotions to be these particular ones. IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 206 From: i live in a kitchen Registered: May 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 02:01 PM
blue moon, i'm so sorry you are going through this.of course i cannot give any advice or anything, but as a child who grew up with mother and a step-father, i can say that children can pick up unspoken undertones of their environment... i did not know that my step-father was actually not my real father until i was 17. all that time i believed that he was my real father. but as i was growing up, i held the belief that emotion like love did not exist (it was more a marriage of convenience and later they split up), and it did not come as surprise when i finally discovered that someone else was my father, as if i knew it all the way along. i hope all the best for your son. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 02:04 PM
The father and I don't speak to one another any more unless absolutely necessary. I communicate with him through email and only when it directly involves our son. I don't know what his dad says about me when I'm not there but he directs a lot of things towards me on his MySpace page, you know. (and the only reason I look is to take screen shots of it and his true attitude towards me - he lies to people otherwise) He says stuff on his page like "I hope you choke", makes fun of my weight, says I'm going to go down without a fight, etc. His dad did spread a lot of hate around for my boyfriend, though, but none of that is in the comic yet. I don't want to push my son - not just yet anyway. I'll let him make more comics and see how it plays out. I'm just sad.. and I'd like to make things better for him. Generally, he's a delightfully happy and brilliant kid. Sweet lil' Picses! IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 206 From: i live in a kitchen Registered: May 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 05:34 PM
oops, i called you blue moon, didn't i? i meant MoonWitch!sounds like his dad is a very immature person. i hope all will be alright! IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 06:50 PM
Hopefully, Mean Dad is just the stock villain, so is more hyperbole than experience. The pettiness is so extreme that I'm pretty sure it's at least a little hyperbole and he may not even be entirely conscious that his own dad is the inspiration for Mean Dad. Granted, it does sound like his real life dad isn't that pleasant or smart, and no doubts that he feels his dad is disrupting him with his antics, and feels that you can't protect him. It could even be a cry for help from him to you who doesn't know how to verbalize his feelings. I wouldn't advise letting the dad see the comics though. Mainly that's because he'd accuse you of inspiring them & call it child abuse, but I'm also recalling a guy who shared with me how he did a pic when he was 10ish for art class of a boy being dragged into a sinister house by 2 monsters (Halloween or something, so it was appropriate and didn't raise any suspicions that he's aware of). Having gotten an A on it, he was proud of it. But the sinister house was based largely on his REAL house, and the 2 monsters were--if you knew his family--his mom & dad (who were very abusive). His dad found the drawing and beat him so bad that it left dents in the wall, which he had to then fix (since it was his fault for making his dad so mad). IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner Knowflake Posts: 944 From: Toledo, OH Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 06:54 PM
it sounds like he is trying to tell you without telling you, that he doesn't like it at dads.IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 08:45 PM
It's okay, lechien I knew what you meant! Too many moony people around here to keep 'em straigt!IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 09, 2009 08:53 PM
Dervish - To be honest, I've been saying (to people very close to me) for the past couple years that I was sad at how his father handles things because our son will soon be a teenager and will be able to more readily see things for how they are and stand up for what he wants.I wasn't expecting it so early - I thought it would be another couple years from now because he's still only 10. It's true, I can't protect him like I would want to. His father doesn't physically abuse him so - trying to prove to a court that there is verbal or emotional abuse is much more elusive. His father does very well at playing the part of the concerned father. That's only partially based in fact. Much of his struggle with me now is to keep our son to himself as much as possible to get back at me for moving out to begin with. It's so frustrating. I guess I must be paying back some karma from another life. I just want it to be done with. I've tried so hard for so many years now to take the higher road and make sure everything is fair... the karma cicle should end HERE so it's not carried on anywhere else. My son is just such a joy - not even saying that as a biased mom (okay sort of biased but what mom isn't?!). He's seriously one of the best kids I've ever come into contact with. I'm able to discipline him without harsh words and yelling. I don't imagine why it's needed with him. It breaks my heart. Sure, every month or so I have to put on a 'mommy voice' but it's never over the top and he listens. Just... frustrated... and want to make sure he is okay. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1192 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 10, 2009 12:42 AM
the cartoons are a very good piece of evidence if you need to go to the courts about this. and it does sound like he is trying to get a message out...on the other hand could it be that you are SO good at dealing with an even temper that he is overreacting to his dad? i don't want to minimize what MIGHT be going on but it's a tricky situation when you aren't there to actually see what is going down.and whether his dad is as "mad" as his cartoons or not, that doesn't mean the "concerned father" isn't your ex's opinion of himself. some people really do NOT know how to express their concern. my dad used to lose it when he thought we were harming ourselves with our behaviour. i can't say his outbursts were fun but it wasn't malice that motivated them... i would say the comics are a wakeup call to keep an eye out. but you're right it's hard to get full custody on the basis of a child saying one parent yells all the time. i'm glad he has you for balance! hang in there! IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 11, 2009 08:18 PM
Thank you, katatonic I appreciate the input from all of you.I'll just keep an eye on the situation now and see how the comic book making progresses (or doesn't progress)
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lionseye*** Knowflake Posts: 136 From: edmonton, ab. ca Registered: May 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 12:49 AM
At what age can a kid decide whether or not they want to maintain contact with a parent? Is it 14? Are you close to your ex's family at all? Is there anyone other than you who you could express your concerns to, who may be able to put a bug in his ear that this boy will likely choose to cut all ties with him if he doesn't wake up and smell the coffee? Incidently, how does your son feel about your current bf? Is that relationship in pretty good shape? Dad needs to know that bloodlines and the law cannot prevent his son from despising him...He is the only one steering that boat, and he's seems to be going off course. If he doesn't want to end up with a son who hates him, and who is emotionally damaged because of him....if he doesn't want to live with a heart full of regret later on...he needs a wakeup call. that's my opinion. I don't think it would take much, just talking to the right person..like maybe the boy's paternal grandma, or someone like that. IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 01:18 AM
quote: At what age can a kid decide whether or not they want to maintain contact with a parent? Is it 14?
Here in the USA, it's generally 18 without emancipation (which can generally only have the requirements met if emancipated to begin with, so that's a catch-22) or a good lawyer (typically provided by family). Both mothers & fathers have legite complaints about the unfairness of the system & courts, but neither has anywhere as much just cause for complaints as the kids themselves. IP: Logged |
lionseye*** Knowflake Posts: 136 From: edmonton, ab. ca Registered: May 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 03:16 AM
Maybe so, but just try to force a 14/15/16/17 year old spend time with you if they hate you.... I'd like to see how that goes. But Moonwitch's boy is not typical. So he may just go with the flow forever, and just get more and more resentful...and it may do damage to him. But on the other hand, he may become too soft without that influence...It's a hard situation. Hard call. Hard to know what to do. I would definately want someone to point out to dad that the boy sees him as mad all the time.IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 03:31 AM
I was 14 when I was forced to live with Mom. I wanted to live with Granny, who was willing to take me, but Mom had to have her child support to spend on brandy & Virginia Slims, and my so-called court advocate knew all this and wouldn't let me speak in court as she'd planned because she knew I was pretty much going to say that, so I was denied any say in my own future.Granted, I eventually ran away from home (twice, and other factors involved), finally leaving for the last time at 16, but I was a fugitive because of the laws, and didn't dare go hide with Granny since I made a big enough of a deal to people in the courts that such was where I wanted to go. That means that I was exposed to danger on the streets, and when hurt I could neither go to the police or hospital for help. However, Mom didn't report me and continued to collect child support until I was 18. So it worked just fine for her. IP: Logged |
lionseye*** Knowflake Posts: 136 From: edmonton, ab. ca Registered: May 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 03:48 AM
That's not right. Why don't we listen to kids??? Why don't the courts listen to kids? IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 09:50 AM
katonic - The courts here will take the wishes of the child 'into consideration' once they are about 12 or 13. I'm not at all close to the ex's family. I haven't spoken to them in YEARS. Even when we were married I never spoke with them. They were resentful that he married a 'white girl' and not a Filipino or someone Spanish. My son gets along GREAT with my boyfriend - I mean really great. It warms my heart. Dervish - Your story is so sad. It's so incredibly unfair!
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