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Valus
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posted August 13, 2009 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

There is an epidemic in the world that needs to be addressed. An epidemic of junkies, desperate for their fix. And their fix is meat. Something that hurts themselves (body AND soul), but which hurts others far more than it hurts themselves. Every day, they are contributing to the confinement, torture and murder of countless innocents. And the depth of denial in which these poor, depraved junkies live is almost as tragic as the crimes they commit for the sake of their fix. Please, if you suffer from this addiction, get help. There are places you can go and people you can talk to who will help you break through that thick fog of denial in which you are caught. There is hope for you, and for the gentle souls you've been torturing and killing. I dont blame you for your ignorance, complacency, and lack of compassion.. believe me, i have been there and i understand it. I only wish someone had been there for me to tell me the truth in no uncertain terms. God bless.

The fate of animals is of greater importance to me than the fear of appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men. ~ Emile Zola

"But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul of the sun and light and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy." ~ Plutarch

"I saw deep in the eyes of the animals the human soul look out upon me. I saw where it was born deep down under feathers and fur, or condemned for a while to roam four-footed among the brambles,I caught the clinging mute glance of the prisoner and swore that I would be faithful." ~ Henry David Thoreau

"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love" ~ Pythagorus

"All beings tremble before violence. All fear death, all love life. See yourself in others. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?" ~ Buddha

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet" ~ Albert Einstein

"He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man..." -Isaiah 66:3

The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men. ~ Alice Walker

Our task must be to free ourselves... by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and it's beauty. ~ Albert Einstein

Mercy to animals means mercy to mankind. ~ Henry Bergh

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. ~ Mahatama Gandhi

Now I can look at you in peace; I don't eat you any more. ~ Franz Kafka

The thinking [person] must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo. When we have a choice, we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another... ~ Albert Schweitzer

Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. ~ Mark Twain

I ask people why they have deer heads on their walls. They always say because it's such a beautiful animal. Well, I think my mother is attractive, but I just keep photographs of her. ~ Ellen DeGeneres

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posted August 13, 2009 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Happens in many countries.

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Valus
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posted August 13, 2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumes flowers are our sisters; the deer, the horse, the great eagle: these are our brothers. All things are connected like the blood which unites one's family. -Chief Seattle

I care not much for a man's religon whose dog and cat are not the better for it. -Abraham Lincoln

A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral. -Leo Tolstoy

To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being. The more helpless the creature, the more that it is entitled to protection by man from the cruelty of man. -Mahatma Gandhi

Truly man is the king of beast for his brutality excedes theirs. We live by the death of others. We are burial places. - Leonardo Da Vinci

Flesh can not be procured without causing destruction of life; one who uses flesh, therefore, commits hisma (injury) unavoidably. -Jainism

There is not an animal on the earth, nor a flying creature on two tings, but they are people likeunto you. - The Koran

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posted August 13, 2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
I'm always partial to a bit of sausage.

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Valus
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posted August 13, 2009 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I am the voice of the voiceless;
Through me the dumb shall speak,
Till the deaf world's ears be made to hear
The wrongs of the wordless weak.

I am my brothers keeper,
And I will fight his fights;
And speak the words for beast and bird
Till the world shall set things right.

- Ella Wheeler Wilcox

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posted August 13, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man - Charles Darwin

All cruelty springs from weakness. -Seneca

The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them, that's the essence of inhumanity. - George Bernard Shaw

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posted August 13, 2009 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animl dumb because it is dumb to his dull senses. - Mark Twain

Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own. - Robert Louis Stevenson

We fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of fear and pain. - Robert Louis Stevenson

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posted August 13, 2009 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
All I have to say to all is go see
Earthlings!

Oh, and also if you stop eating meat you won't crave it after a while and you'll even get sick after consuming it again.
That doesn't sound/feel like something that is meant to be put in your body.

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posted August 13, 2009 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

THE ETHICS OF DIET
by Howard Williams (1883)

"Now we can join Gandhi and Tolstoy and nameless others who encountered this vigorous and invigorating book. Welcome to a company of radicals who believed we could and should stop eating non-human animals. They brought vegetarianism out of history and into the here and now." — from the introduction by Carol Adams.


The Ethics of Diet
Howard Williams, "Hesiodos" chap 1 in The Ethics of Diet

It is possible that the Orphic Societies, originating about the eighth or seventh century, B.C., to some extent at least [practiced] abstinence from flesh-foods—and which claimed the semi-legendary Orpheus as their founder, may claim the honour of having inaugurated in the West this most important of social revolutions. That the preference for the purer diet, evidently displayed in the Hesiodic poems, derived its origin in part from these Orphic sacred or semi-sacred writings, though an uncertain, is a reasonable, conjecture. Hesiod, who, like his yet more celebrated (epic) successor, has given his name to a collection of world-famous poems, may be regarded as the poetic representative of Agriculture and peaceful Industry, as "Homer" is of War and the heroic virtues.…The well-known verses, in which is figured the gradual declension of men from the Golden to the present Iron race, may be taken as the remote original of all later poetic fictions of Golden Ages and Times of Innocence.

Howard Williams, "Pythagoras" chap 2 in The Ethics of Diet

"A GREATER good never came, nor ever will come, to man than that which was imparted by the gods through Pythagoras." Such is the enthusiastic expression of admiration of one of his biographers. If this eulogy indicates the importance of the radical reformation in the dietary habits of his species, attempted by the first historical founder of anti-Kreophagy in the West, to the profounder students of the course of human history it may scarcely seem to be the extravagant estimate of mere hero-worship. Nor, if his teaching be regarded as a factor in the development of human thought, or of metaphysical speculation, is it possible to over-rate his influence. By all who are acquainted with the historical development of Hellenic philosophy, the influence of Pythagoreanism, direct or indirect, upon the later Jewish, and upon very early Christian ideas, will be recognised to be as important as it is indisputable.

Howard Williams, "Sakya Muni" chap 3 in The Ethics of Diet

IN the history of the development of thought—in the revelation whether of moral or of physical truth—few facts are more remarkable than the coincidence of simultaneous announcement by independent and sometimes far-separated thinkers. Whether the philosopher of Samos, or the great religious revolutionist of the East, have the priority of claim to the assertion of the sublime moral truths of Anti-kreophagy may be matter of doubt. But all probability seems to be in favour of the Eastern; since from the (remoter) East—from Persia and Hindustan—in the earlier periods of history, the most influential religious, or semi-religious, ideas always have emanated. In respect to flesh-eating, it is certain that to some extent, and in some degree, before the age of the Buddha, abstinence from animal food formed one of the sacred dogmas of Brahmanism and the Vedas. But the principle rested wholly, on religious or ascetic dogma with that sacerdotal caste-religion. It was the great Hindu prophet who first proclaimed it as a great moral truth, and based it upon the sublime doctrine of universal justice and compassion.

Howard Williams, "Empedokles" chap 4 in The Ethics of Diet

THE most remarkable of the poet-philosophers of Antiquity—the highly eulogised of the greatest of Latin poets—Empedoklês, may fitly be regarded as Pythagorean in his ethical principles.…Only fragments of his philosophical poems On Nature, the Discourse on Medicine (some 470 verses), and the Lustral Precepts remain. It is thus that he sings of the "Golden Age":—" Then every animal was tame, and familiar with men—both mammals and birds; and mutual love prevailed The trees flourished with perpetual leaves and fruits, and ample crops adorned their boughs throughout the year Nor had these happy people any War-God, nor had they any mad violence for their divinity. Nor was their monarch Zeus or Kronos or Poseidon, but Queen Kypris [the divinity of Love]. Her favour they besought with fragrant essences, and censers of pure myrrh, and frankincense, and with golden honey. The altars did not reek with the blood of oxen."

Howard Williams, "Plato" chap 5 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "Asoka" chap 6 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "Ovidius" chap 7 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "Seneca" chap 8 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "Musonius" chap 9 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "Tertullian" chap 11 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "James Thomson" chap 26 in The Ethics of Diet

Howard Williams, "David Hartley" chap 28 in The Ethics of Diet

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posted August 13, 2009 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

God loved the birds
and invented trees.
Man loved the birds
and invented cages.
~ Jacques Deval


The question is not, "Can they reason?" nor, "Can they talk?" but rather,
"Can they suffer?"
~ Jeremy Bentham


All beings tremble before violence.
All fear death, all love life.
See yourself in others.
Then whom can you hurt?
What harm can you do?
~ Buddha


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posted August 13, 2009 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage. ~ Sri Aurobindo

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posted August 13, 2009 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~ Thomas A. Edison

When it comes to having a central nervous system, and the ability to feel pain, hunger, and thirst, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. ~ Ingrid Newkirk


To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being. The more helpless the creature, the more that it is entitled to protection by man from the cruelty of man. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Truly man is the king of beast for his brutality excedes theirs. We live by the death of others. We are burial places.
~ Leonardo Da Vinci


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posted August 13, 2009 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Deliberate cruelty to our defenseless and beautiful little cousins is surely one of the meanest and most detestable vices of which a human being can be guilty. ~ William Ralph Inge

There will be no justice as long as man will stand with a knife or with a gun and destroy those who are weaker than he is. ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer

If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men. ~ St Francis of Assisi

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posted August 13, 2009 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Yin!

They should see Earthlings.

And take a good look
at the consequences
of their actions
on innocent lives.

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posted August 13, 2009 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
hi , i'm cpn.
hi cpn,
i am a meataholic..

my body is iron defiicient and i crave red meat. (oooohhhhh no)

i know it makes my digestive system sluggish, and yet i crave it, buy it, cook it, eat it.

all things in moderation? ok for the most part, but when i want a king portion of prime rib, i eat a king portion of prime rib, rare.....please and thank you.

i truly dont do it to be cruel, i do it beacuse it tastes good to me...

and while healthier not too, oh well,...Henry David Thoreau is full of crap.
aminals ahavenot the souls of humans, nor the intellegence, nor have they invented the wheel,the monetary system nor do they make the laws. when i can sit down with a cow and have a conversation about did he really jump over the moon, i will quit consuming his flesh.

i like quality leather products and do not plan on giving them up any time soon.

i also like a big fat sausage, just like blue moon (excellent reference by the way ms bm) SOOOOO MEATY......

and COFFEE- nice to see you around these parts again my friend.

i am kind to animals and do not waste food (if i can help it) and i do not feel guilty for nurishing my body with the meat of an animal.

its a food chain thing, and i as a human am on top of it... do you think a bear feels guilty for eating a fish? or a spider feels guilty for eating a fly? it is what they were made to do.

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posted August 13, 2009 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
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posted August 13, 2009 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
everyone knows lions are carnivores anyway.

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posted August 13, 2009 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
I have not been around your parts yet, Cpn (salute)

I am bored today, so making use of time.
Still read though.

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Valus
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posted August 13, 2009 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
cpn,

You can get iron
from leafy green vegetables.

I know you are not cruel.
Just indifferent to suffering.

Babies cant have a conversation, etc.
Do babies not have souls?
Should we eat babies?

Bears and such obey instinct,
and have not the power to reason
and act from compassion as we do.
Should we model ourselves on bears?
Or on the most compassionate human beings?

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posted August 13, 2009 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i am not indifferent to suffering.

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lalalinda
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posted August 13, 2009 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
everyone knows lions are carnivores anyway...cpn_edgar_winner

Leo! I thought so
what is your birthdate?

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posted August 14, 2009 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
valus - last i heard plants are living things too. so i guess i should feel guilty for that too, but i don't.

lalalinda - 7/29

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posted August 14, 2009 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM

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posted August 14, 2009 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Veggies are living things, too!

I am an avid gardener, and make no mistake, it hurts me to prune my roses, weed my gardens, I do not trim my Oaks just cause I feel for them, only when they are tearing up my rooftop, do I give them a manicure!

I feel less bad about fruits, things we merely pick off of the plant, not destroy the plant in entirety.

As far as animals are concerned, I think we as humans project our own emotions onto animals...said to be sentient beings, and to be sure, they do feel in their own way, I have observed the inherant nature of the animals "below" us to be survival. I have 4 house cats and 1 outside dog, and was raised on a dairy farm....I do know animals.

The argument of humans being carniverous will last as long as humans have been eating meat, which is a very, very long time.

My clinical side says follow your body's intuition, eat what you crave...(within reason ofcourse.) Some people's metabolism needs what meat provides, others not.

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Plants are living things. That is an excellent point. Ideally (and I believe certain saints have attained this condition), it would be best to recieve our nurishment entirely from sunlight. But this is quite a lot to ask of the average person, and I will not go so far. There has been much talk lately about differences of degree, as opposed to differences of kind. While I agree that there is no difference in kind, between us and animals, and between animals and plants, I will argue strongly that there is a difference of degree. Animals are much, much closer to our state of consciousness than plants, and since this difference of degree between humans and animals is apparently significant to the majority of you, certainly you will agree that the difference between animals and plants is equally, if not far more, significant.

hippichick,

I appreciate your effort to engage in a rational and compassionate dialogue about this issue. Thank you. I hope you will see that I am making the same effort, and not take my responses the wrong way...

If it hurts you to prune your roses, I can only imagine how much it must hurt you to contribute to the slaughter of animals. I respect that you grew up on a farm, in close proximity to happy and healthy animals. Such eye-witness experience is not to be dismissed. But I wonder if you have ever slaughtered an animal, or seen what goes on inside a slaughterhouse, where animals are crammed together and subject to some of the most cruel treatment imaginable. If so, what was your experience after witnessing this?

I will agree that, to some extent, it is possible to project our own condition onto animals, but it is also possible to blind ourselves to the very real similarities between ourselves and our animal cousins. When I hear pigs screaming in pain, and see them thrashing around in the often long, drawn-out throws of death, it is very difficult to deny these similarities.

While, at bottom, even humans are wired merely to survive, we can see so many other drives asserting themselves. Dolphins, for instance, will not abandon other dolphins when they are sick or wounded, but will make significant sacrifices in order to chaperone the injured or infirm. Elephants, too, will make similar sacrifices, reasonably proving that their main interest is not personal survival. Nearly all animals show evidence of higher impulses. The affectionate attitudes and behaviors they exhibit towards members of their families, and often towards members of their species, or even of other species, are obvious even to the most stalwart skeptic. To dismiss this as mere projection would be, I think you'll agree, relatively absurd.

The argument that craving justifies meat-eating, or that it goes so far as to prove that we are wired for meat, does not pose an obstacle to me. Many people crave heroin. Crack babies are born craving the drug their mothers used while they were in the womb. If these do not prove that we are wired for crack, then, surely, the craving for meat does not prove that anybody is wired for meat. You'll have to do better than that.

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