posted August 18, 2009 09:48 PM         

Black magic spells, voo doo etc

posted August 18, 2009 10:37 PM         

If the person you're cursing has a stronger aura ("higher frequency" etc), then the curse will not only fail to affect the said person, but REBOUND WITH THE STRENGTH OF THE TARGET ADDED IN. This was important to consider since most people who cast curses did so because they were weaker than the said target, so casting curses often ended badly. This is probably also the reason Gardner came up with his "what you send you will return back threefold." This is also why plenty who cast curses and dealt with "evil powers" spent a lot of time trying to strengthen their aura with all kinds of rituals and practices first.

All in all, it seemed to me that it was best to empower one's self than to try to knock someone else down, as it takes less effort and is less risky.

Also, he said that should I ever decide to curse someone, to just let them know in one way or another they're cursed (without actually doing it) and enough people will effectively curse themselves with their own fearful & guilt-ridden imaginings (at the subconscious level, whatever they may consciously think of it), and tend to see every natural piece of bad luck as malevolent sorcery.

That said, he was a believer in secrecy for actual sorcery, believing that if other people actively disbelieve you, they subconsciously send out energy that dispels your own magic, but of course if they don't know about your magickal workings in the first place, they never can, which means your will has a lot less "astral wind" to overcome as it manifests in the manifested world. So if I were to curse someone for real, DON'T tell anyone.

What are evil powers? Some say they're just psychic projects of one's own malice that are sent out (sorta like a programmed astral body), while others say they are sentient entities in their own right (who may be used for good as well as evil, more often than not) and that through malice one sometimes draws them as they are, at the time, kindred spirits (or tempting ones, depending on your beliefs).

Do I believe they can work? Yes. I've seen too many people who can lighten up a room or suck it dry by their very presence, even when the said person stays in the background. Given that, the idea of someone intentionally affecting others for good and bad by means that seem occult/unknown to us at this time strikes me as likely.

As for experience...

I believe I was cursed by someone into the occult. The guy who taught me the above, and my mentor (who first showed me Linda Goodman's books, btw) was a Dianic priestess & witch had me create a poppet with images relevant and then we ritually burned it. As the fire was being lit on a beach (in between place, which is important--ask if you don't know why), a hawk came down and stared, and then the fire blazed up and the poppet, without any chemicals, blazed away quickly to my amazement, and when only ashes were left, the hawk flew away, and I was told the hawk was the representative of a spirit that helped release me from any negative psychic baggage from the person I had fled from (who was a practitioner in the occult also).

I almost cast a curse once myself. Essentially, 2 ran this program I loved, but were getting death threats, dead animals left behind, and seriously stalked. The local authorities couldn't do anything (at least they failed to). So I resolved to put a death curse on whoever was doing it, though I was delayed by the fact I had nothing to connect to the person doing this (and I live hundreds of miles away--I listen to this station on the net).

As I was thinking & preparing, I started having horrible vivid nightmares, often dealing with themes of deadly vengeance and occult imagery (one example was a raging white bull foaming at the mouth after me). And a woman's voice full of hatred kept haunting me, which I finally found as a peat mummy-hag in a fetid swamp who chanted deadly spells trying to destroy me. It majorly creeped me out. Thing is, when I abandoned my idea of doing the curse, the nightmares stopped--and I think they were a warning that the forces I'd call up would harm me (something I was worried about as I had no way to target the one of the curse, something I was warned against doing).

posted August 18, 2009 11:21 PM         

Dervish, wow! Youve had quite a life! Thank you for sharing the stories and info. I've always thought that people's belief in curses played a large part in them working or not. As well as the strength of their own energy field and that if someone didnt want to harm another and tried not to ever, that was protection enough. And that only weak people cast spells and curses in the first place. Still, I do wonder about these things from time to time and have felt like I might have one on me and have prayed for help in getting rid of it many times, if i do. For a higher power to take it away and transmute it. I'd like to understand the inner dynamics of this now.

The fire being lit on the beach that you mentioned....were you saying that the beach (sand area) represents an "in between" place on earth? Where water meets the earth, like astral meets physical? That makes sense to me and I'm curious if that's what you meant. Interesting about the hawk and occurences. I'm glad you got out of all of that and the nightmares stopped. I've never been attracted to witchcraft, magick, or sorcery etc. or wanted to cast a spell on anyone. But am interested in protection measures against it, because there are a lot of people out there who are attracted to it. I'm not exactly fearful of it, but it's really the last thing I need. LOL Should get into a habit of doing some aura strengthening practices anyway. It cant hurt to learn more.

posted August 19, 2009 01:13 AM         

They were more into symbols, signs and warnings. My grandma knew alot of stuff about that, so did my grandpa, he told me he "messed with it too much, and some things are not to be messed with," afterwards he was being haunted on a nightly basis by his mother who died when he was four years old, and his brother who died in his teens. It really did a number on him, I remember us going to the "gypsies" and other such folk that set up shop on the Jersey boardwalks to find relief for my poor Pop. I don't think he ever found any solace, except for the bottom of the bottle, which led to his demise.
My Mom comes from French Creole Lousiana type folk, her mom was in a cult, and she was taken away when she was just 3 years old. She is deathly afraid of these things, and I think maybe she saw a lot more than she thinks she did. She is into Angel work big time, and working with the Saints.
As for myself, I believe that what you believe you can do, you can do. And if you have that much power, then with that you must have double that much responsibility. I don't practice spell casting much these days, nothing against it, but like Lexx's fear of prayers being said wrong? I'm like the same way, if I asked for a money spell, then a family member dies so I can get an inheritance, well, kinda scary.
I've only used a love spell 3 times. And I found some OLD ones that are doozies! After the first one I swore I would never do it again, but ahh, the heart wants what it wants. And the third one was pure lunacy on my part, and I am paying for that one.
Sidenote: I don't believe a love spell will work on anyone that wouldn't or couldn't develop love feelings for you in the first place.
All three people are still in my life.

posted August 19, 2009 02:06 AM         

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Black magic spells, voo doo etc

Do you believe in them? That they really work or have any effect on people? Have you ever had one on you or do you know anyone else who has? I'd love to hear about your experiences or thoughts in general. And how to go about removing one if one was placed on you.

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Interesting post! What led you to post about this subject?

posted August 19, 2009 02:14 AM         

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.... but like Lexx's fear of prayers being said wrong?

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So true. This is extremely dangerous and most people do not even realize that a simple prayer for the best, not prayed correctly, can really be deadly

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I don't believe a love spell will work on anyone that wouldn't or couldn't develop love feelings for you in the first place.

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Can you elaborate on this. There's a twist to this actually in regards to love spells

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AND finally, I believe that a curse only works if the said cursed believes they are cursed.

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posted August 19, 2009 02:45 AM         

What led me to post on this subject is life in general and patterns within it and current and past events with family members. Too much to explain here and it isnt the first time I've wondered about it. It has been on my mind again and I wanted to hear others opinions and experiences.

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It's highly important that you do not believe in all that you read in regards to cleansings-- This is an extremely shakey subject.

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Really? In what ways? And what types of cleansings are harmful?

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My best advise is to seek professional, spiritual help and even that can be even worse, as instead of helping you, they may just take from you.

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Hm....well that's a bit of a quandary.

What kind of spiritual help would you and would you not recommend?

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By you letting others help you, you are letting them open the door into your world.. be really careful

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Thank you, I will. That's a big reason why I dont take help often; that old karmic noose.

posted August 19, 2009 02:52 AM         

Gypsee, too bad about your Pop.
I agree with having much power also having more responsibility.
Curious about how to get people to stop talking about you...

Also, please ramble all you want! I like your ramblings, your posts always cheer me up and make me smile.

posted August 19, 2009 03:19 AM         

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Really? In what ways? And what types of cleansings are harmful?

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One of the most important things to know is how strong is it? If it was conducted by many, and the strongest spells are done by many people, not just "one person involved," than a cleansing being done by one person is not strong enough to take it off. Instead, one can put his/herself at great risk, as there's not enough power to support it. Once one opens the door to "help" spiritually, you must know the repercussions. Here’s what most people do not realize, “The repercussions of doing a spell in general from a book” 90 % of the reality of it is not in books, and is why most occult groups keep theirs hidden.

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Hm....well that's a bit of a quandary.

What kind of spiritual help would you and would you not recommend?

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Some times, a person seeking help has “a lot of power” that he/she may not be aware of… The person helping, may just want their power, as it makes them stronger, so instead of helping , they will lie in making one believe they are going to help, yet they only want to take away from you. Or, they simply want your money. 95 % of them are BS, honestly.
Recommend you get to know them, and how you feel around them first. If it doesn’t feel right, walk away.

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Thank you, I will. That's a big reason why I dont take help often; that old karmic noose.

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Yeah, it fits in UC, but nobody really posts there anymore. I was hoping to get some replies from people who hang out here in this forum

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posted August 19, 2009 03:28 AM         

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What led me to post on this subject is life in general and patterns within it and current and past events with family members. Too much to explain here and it isnt the first time I've wondered about it. It has been on my mind again and I wanted to hear others opinions and experiences.

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You are 26T, right, I hope? If so, does this have anything to do with the death of your father? Trouble finding happiness, etc.. If you do not wish to discuss, it's ok.

posted August 19, 2009 03:32 AM         

As for how to get people to stop talking about you? Write the persons name on a peice of paper. I just used black ink, white paper, no biggie. Get a ziplock baggie, the smallest ones are best, cause it takes up less room, fill it almost full with ice cold water, put it in the back of your freezer, with the paper in it and forget about it. I will check if there is anything to be recited, I honestly can't remember and it's late, (early?) anyway, it worked for me, immediately. Then when I moved here in April, I cleaned out my fridge/freezer, found them in the back and chucked them. The same people started up again almost immediately. So back to the drawing board I guess.

With love spells, and the twist? I have heard, and this is not personal experience of someone putting a love spell on someone who wasn't "into" her in any discernable way, and it flipped around to him being a nasty stalker type. I don't know, I stick with my original theory because if not, Johnny Depp would be at my door by now. And so for many other women.
It is sort of like they say when your drunk you wouldn't do or say anything that isn't somehow within you to do or say anyway? I believe that is how love spells work. The person should have some interest and have considered you in a romantic way for them to come out right. But they can be VERY binding, like I said, so use much forethought.
In the old books, versus todays kind of get a red candle thing, they used menstral blood and handmade dolls in the shape of your loved one with fingernail clippings and things inside. It was intense stuff. One spell I have has a woman putting her blood in a soup or stew or something. Pretty out there, huh?

posted August 19, 2009 03:34 AM         

In regards to the above:
" The children will always suffer the sins of their fathers"