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posted September 18, 2009 08:46 AM         

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Yeah, I am getting to look like the aggressive and undiplomatic one. But there is only so far I will go in compromising my principles.

Silent supporters who say nothing to prevent confrontation have a point up to a point. But letting a bully arse things up because of it, that's not good enough for me, sorry.

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posted September 18, 2009 09:13 AM         

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I understand bm. That's part of the irk - the irony of being accused of doing something that actually other people are guilty of doing.

My story is that I have lazy classmates who, when they weren't capable of doing their own work the other day pounced on me because they wanted the work done for them (but called it doing "team work) and I said no I'm not participating (because I'd already finished the work). That I'm accused of not participating in team work when I'm the one doing the team work for everyone was a bit much. Usually I can let things go and choose my battles wisely. This one is worthy stepping on toes over.

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posted September 18, 2009 09:29 AM         

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There's a line where people take the p!ss, and you have enough. If we're not doormats, we can just blame an astrological aspect. I go with Mars Square Ascendant, or maybe Mars Square Mercury. He's a naughty fella, that Mars.

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posted September 18, 2009 09:36 AM         

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p.s

Some YouTubes I find help with this kind of situation:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48&feature=channel

Bale Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aOPMeB7g8&feature=channel

RevoLucian does Bill O'Reilly

and that old classic:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY

eff you I won't do what you tell me!

I listen to these songs more than I care to admit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snnG1kCgd1w

wise words from Rollins, love the lyrics to this - it's on my 3 songs selection - had to have an angry one in there

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posted September 18, 2009 09:38 AM         

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My Mars square Moon is going to agree with you because it becomes so personal, emotional. I'm not into the doormat option. I can stay silent on things that don't matter much, but this one does. That said, keeping perspective is a good thing too. Reminding myself that these people are not an important part of my world helps. Remembering that I'm doing this course (and doing very very well in it - which is probably raising some jealousy issues in other people) so I can do work I love and to look after my family. That takes it back into focus. Doesn't mean I'm not going to let rip during the counselling session. I think they're fair game.

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posted September 18, 2009 09:45 AM         

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I must confess to listening to the Bale rant regularly. The song form helps, makes it stick in your mind. The Family Guy send up is a good one. Gets a laugh. Especially the part about not understanding the need to make another Terminator movie. Bale's rant is a reminder that we're all human.

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posted September 18, 2009 09:55 AM         

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I'm seeing PA's slacker classmates and counsellor flattened like a field of grain after a hailstorm -- unmoving, ragged.....
PA don't need no talkin-to -- and lazy idiots always get their comeuppance!!

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posted September 18, 2009 12:13 PM         

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that happens to my daughter too....group projects that she does all the work on and the whole group gets the credit, because she wants to do well at school, she ends up doing most of the work on group projects. not really fair.

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posted September 20, 2009 07:27 AM         

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I think that Saturn conjunct my natal Pluto is saying that's enough now.

Great transit this one. The inner tension is fun.

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posted September 20, 2009 08:42 AM         

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PA, I have an exact Pluto/Saturn the square exact in my natal...I know it's not fun

I'm having t Pluto square Pluto, t Pluto conj my NN, and t Pluto oppose n Saturn right now.
Yeehaw lol.
I don't even know how all this crap is supposed to register, it's so over my head I don't know what to make of it all lol

But in some ways this is sooo much better than like 2 or 3 years ago when I had t Pluto square my Sun, and t Saturn squaring my Mars and Venus. UGGHHHHH OMG, it sucked soooo bad !!!!!

Transits suck

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posted September 20, 2009 09:01 AM         

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I was thinking that too. This just sucks. The thing is - it's not so much the processing of it - because I tend to think we don't have too much control of what coms our way during these periods. They seem to dredge up the real deep seated issues and want us to handle them, and you can never pick how that's going to come about. It's the inner tension - just inside myself - that I can't quite grasp because it's so - well, aggressive is a good word at the moment.

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posted September 20, 2009 09:25 AM         

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PA, yes! Inner tension is exactly how it feels.
Feels like I'm trapped in my own ribcage at times too.

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posted September 20, 2009 09:30 AM         

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MVM

As much as there is comfort in hearing other people's experiences and knowing you're not alone, at the same time it's sad when you know other people are experiencing something awful. I feel for you MVM. I just think you're such a beautiful person. You're one of those that if I could take it away and fix it for you I would. I just think you really deserve happiness and love.

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posted September 20, 2009 11:44 AM         

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wow pa, that is some energy for you to handle...especailly since you are a peace angel. controversy isn't really your thing, so it can't be easy..except you are an aries..so you are strong....i understand...i trust you will handle it with grace and strength and style!

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posted September 20, 2009 06:10 PM         

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Thank you, PA
I wish I could make it better for you as well. You deserve all that is good and to not have to go through any pain or frustration.
I'd make you a nice meal and we'd share a nice bottle of wine
And CPN too... we could have a nice girl's night and get drunk and go off on tirades about transits, and I'd kick Saturn and Pluto's butt for you!!!

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posted September 21, 2009 02:59 AM         

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Thanks cpn and MVM.

cpn - you were in my dream last night. I don't remember a lot of the details but we make a good team, you and I. I don't remember where or why but we were helping someone.

We had that counselling session in class today and as expected I let rip. I was good and then the more it came out the more upset I felt and then I just lost it. I feel good and proud of myself for getting my feelings out and being honest, but I feel a little bad because I absolutely tore into one person and they were quite visibly upset. I knew once I got upset that I wouldn't be able to stop and it just came out. The counsellor was really good - had a really brilliant approach to things. It was really valuable - but really pushing some personal fears. I guess this transit is really touching that. Bringing up the big issues and getting rid of them or transforming them. I've still got that rush - that adrenalin feeling going through me from it and it was a few hours ago - but once my energies are settled, I think I'll be able to see some really good things out of it. One classmate said that she was really proud of me. I think that's how I'll emerge feeling from it.

I also want to say thank you to each of you for your understanding, support and love = friendship. You all mean so much to me.

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posted September 21, 2009 06:41 AM         

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i have been thinking about you a lot lately.

i am glad you got it all out! hopefully it makes a difference, if not it is still better out than in.

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posted September 24, 2009 07:01 PM         

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OMG what have you been through PA???? Is there conflict in your study place?

I'm so out of the loop at the moment - I'm so sorry....

Is there a nasty transit at the mo? (that's how much out of touch I am).

How bizarre... Last week I was attacked by the bullies in our workplace. They drive people out and their nastiness is driving me out too. I will be transferring from my workplace as a result.

Does it never end??????

Let's make a wish....

I wish for a beautiful energy to engulf every person I meet in my daily life.

Is this a spritiual desire? No, I just want people to be thoughtful of others. I can't stand people who wind others up, intimidate and humiliate..... It just brings out that warrior in me, and I'd rather be at home baking scones..... Is this your sentiments as well, PA?

My biggest heart burst of love to you.....

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If you can start the day without caffeine, If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles, If you can eat the same food every day and be grateful for it, If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you anytime, If you can take criticism and blame without resentment ,If you can conquer tension without medical help,If you can relax without liquor, If you can sleep without the aid of drugs,

...Then You Are Probably ... The Family Dog!

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I love this!

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posted September 26, 2009 08:23 AM         

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posted September 26, 2009 08:28 AM         

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cpn

I think about you a lot too.

I think a lot about all of us here. I was driving into town a few days ago and passed a car with the registration number "DD" and then a moment later "AG" and when I parked the car, in the carpark was a car starting with the letters "MVM". Then on the way home there was one with "LL". And I think about everyone here - things that we say and something will remind me of something funny or warm that we've shared or to share. I think about you a lot.

You're my friends here. You mean a lot to me. For those who think that it's online and it doesn't mean anything, think again. Besides, my Moon is in Aquarius in 11th so . These friendships are real and we really care about each other. If anyone ever wants to know what Godzala is about - THAT'S what Godzala is about, whether it be version 1 or version 1,000,000.

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posted September 26, 2009 08:31 AM         

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koi

It's been very stressful, but settled now. Just some unpleasantries to deal with and standing my ground - or claiming it. Big lessons. It's all good, though. So so close to finishing this course. I was just looking through my bag and looking at some work that I'm about to hand in and I just felt really proud - there's some really good work in there. Doing good. One more term to go. I sat in that class at the beginning of the year telling myself that I didn't belong there and this is where I am now - so it's been a really big personal journey - beyond the learning - the real learning has been inside and it's huge.

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posted September 26, 2009 08:37 AM         

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you are going to be very successful pa. i am proud of you for school. i am happy i had the opportunity to know you!

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posted September 26, 2009 08:41 AM         

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I hope that we know each other all the way cpn. That we meet here always.

And, when it comes to you, the honour is all mine. I think you're wonderful. You must know this.

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posted September 26, 2009 09:09 AM         

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you know the secret. when i get depressed it takes a good laugh to get over it. i thought when you left i had somehow offended you and i felt terrible about it.

i can be drawn into a funk sometimes and it takes a hearty laugh and there you are. i don't have anyone else that does that for me but you. a million miles away and you are the one to dispell the funk! now that is cool.

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