posted September 08, 2009 04:24 AM         

*tumbleweed*

posted September 08, 2009 04:43 AM         

A really big car. And you were on your own in it.

I think you're an idiot. I want to shake you. Every time you sit behind your wheel in your own personal bubble firing up your tank, releasing tonnes of pollution and C02 into the atmosphere because of your own desire to go and pick up some lentils or tofu at 5am you're destroying nature and you're KNOWINGLY contributing to the death of the Earth, you incredibly selfish, blind person, when there's a real alternative, like using a train or bus or bicycle.

I personally think you're sick and you need help. You need to THINK, because at the moment you're braindead.

Honestly. I've been a prophet for this cause for two years and people just won't listen to the rightness of what I'm saying. What's the matter with them???

posted September 08, 2009 05:57 AM         

Would you rather me point out the benefits of cycling/walking like this:

80% of journeys made by car are less than 5 miles (ie cyclable)

The average person burns 300 calories an hour cycling moderately (so I burn 600 a day on average and I can pretty much eat what I like and still stay 115lbs)

I save £2,000 per year on bus fares using my bike and god knows how much saved on the maintenance of a car and parking fees/fines

My bike costs about £40 a year to maintain. My friends car just cost £1,000 to repair when she had a minor fault with electrics

I am fitter and healthier than I have ever been

I know more people and feel an increased sense of community.

or would you rather me point out what an effin idiot you are for not cycling or walking?

Which approach is more likely to get you to leave your car at home for at least one journey?

This is my point Steve. Your approach is going to get you knowhere and make you look like a superior arse to boot, because this way everybody's going to be hanging out for the time you get too stoned and tuck into the KFC in a moment of weakness.

posted September 08, 2009 07:34 AM         

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How is it that so many people who consider their dogs and cats as valued members of the family, see no contradicion in eating pigs, cows, and sheep?

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Because most of us don't live with the pigs, cows and sheep.
Because we buy the meat from the supermarket - cleaned from blood, packaged and ready to cook, faceless.
How the people who do live with livestock are still capable of slaughtering that livestock for consumption is beyond me.

I have lived in a house with a chicken coup before. I cried every time I saw somebody killing a chicken and refused to eat the meat. I hid when they were slaughtering a pig on one occasion and never ate its meat. I could never kill my food.

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I'm just wondering if people who justify and contribute to the meat industry would care to justify the torture and killing of their family dog? Or, would you explain to me why the one is different from the other? Or, would you admit how unconscious and insane your perspective is?

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See the supermarket response.
Yes, I am aware that it sounds insane. It's a reason, not a justification.

I grew up eating meat. Trying to quit now. Not easy. Still trying. Every day is a battle. If I had to kill an animal for food, I would be a vegetarian by now.

posted September 08, 2009 09:55 AM         

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How the people who do live with livestock are still capable of slaughtering that livestock for consumption is beyond me.

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yin, i think people who you talk about must live in the countryside, don't they? but who else does? animals

thanks to their involvement with nature and all its components, they manage to keep ALL OF US rooted somewhere; i don't find more ethical to hide behind an organised food industry. i do struggle with hunter; there are plenty here, and even though i argue sometimes with them about that, i also realise that i can make the distinction between a good and bad mushroom thanks to people like them;

posted September 08, 2009 11:31 AM         

There is sanity out there.

You are proof of that.

posted September 08, 2009 11:33 AM         

The Hidden Truth About Your Food
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAFoWXROyAc

Factory Farming vs. Raw Food
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOlEQlzn_tE

"As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower beings, he will never know peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain, cannot reap joy and love." ~ Pythagoras

posted September 09, 2009 02:08 PM         

i don't think the spiritual side of this has really been explored either. i don't think it's a matter of turning away and "pretending its all right if i believe it" but more down to understanding that we all have our place in the scheme of things. what, given that currently we do NEED to eat, is the function of animals on earth? are they here just to cut the grass and fertilize the earth? maybe, but i'm not sure.

i don't think it's a given that eating flesh is torture for the beast that provides it. a good life followed by a quick and relatively painless death is something most people would give up a fortune for. why not give it to your food source?

i'm not talking factory farms, halaal-type butchering, or the AVOIDABLE abuse that goes into meat eating. as i've mentioned the meat i eat is not subject to such things and if everyone ate as much as me there would be no reason for them....i am saying that EVERY CREATURE DIES so why is it wrong to eat it afterwards, appreciate the gift and return it remains to the earth?

posted September 09, 2009 07:05 PM         

To each her/his own.

And dear Valus, by credentials, I meant, as I thought I had stated, have you been there done that? Not just mere postings and internet links, I would think that if one were truely compassionate about a subject, one would have atleast some personal experience with the matter.

No offense intended....

If one truely wants to save animals, maybe PETA, or Whale Wars or similar orginazations would get more accomplished.

Wheelsofcheese,
!!!

Glacus, you are a brilliant astrologer! I am all three of the energies you mentioned!

t~~~