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Topic: be afraid, be VERY afraid...
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2167 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 01:32 PM
i received this in email...posting it because a) there are some common sense tips that you never know you might be glad of...and b) because it encapsulates the growing aura of paranoia EVERYWHERE these days. so in a way i thought "i don't want to spread that" but forewarned is forearmed i guess. just please don't use it to worry yourself about getting abducted. it doesn't give any tips about what to do if the abductors are cops though...! Because of recent abductions In daylight hours, refresh yourself of these things to do in an emergency situation....
This is for you, and for you to share with your wife, your children, everyone you know. After reading these 9 crucial tips, forward them to someone you care about. It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1. Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2.. Learned this from a tourist guide. If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM.. Toss it away from you.... Chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy.. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their chequebook, or making a list, etc. DON'T DO THIS!) The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR , LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF, Repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in the back seat they will get the worst of it . As soon as the car crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote location. 5.. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot,or parking garage: A.) Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat B..) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars. C..) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side... If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY.. (And better paranoid than dead.) 6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at NIGHT!) 7.. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; and even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN, Preferably in a zig -zag pattern! 8.. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. 9.. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird.. The police told her 'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door..' The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over.. The policeman said, 'We already have a unit on the way, whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby. He said they have not verified it, but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at night. 10. Water scam! If you wake up in the middle of the night to hear all your taps outside running or what you think is a burst pipe, DO NOT GO OUT TO INVESTIGATE! These people turn on all your outside taps full ball so that you will go out to investigate and then attack. Stay alert, keep safe, and look out for your neighbours! Please pass this on This e-mail should probably be taken seriously because the Crying Baby Theory was mentioned on America 's Most Wanted when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana I'd like you to forward this to all the women you know. It may save a life. A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle.. I was going to send this to the ladies only, but guys, if you love your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc., you may want to pass it onto them, as well. Send this to any woman you know that may need to be reminded that the world we live in has a lot of crazies in it and it's better to be safe than sorry..
Everyone should take 5 minutes to read this. It may save your life or love one's life
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2167 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 01:40 PM
a few observations from my own point of view:if i were to try to get into my car from the passenger side i would be ripe pickins for any would-be abductor! that is my OFFICE, after all! the bit about tossing your wallet when being mugged is wise and well-known i am sure...and i like the bit about the elbow, very valuable. but what self-respecting kidnappers a) leave your feet free to kick out taillights b) haven't heard of this trick themselves c) wouldn't hear you in the act? i think the taps running would get me. i live in a place that has serious plumbing and leakage problems ready to trip at any time, especially in the winter. and calling the police or fire dept would probably have me up to my neck before they got there. c'est la vie! luckily i live in a cosmically (if not boringly) safe place ... IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 193 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 01:42 PM
its ok ladies, i promise if i get diagnosed with terminal cancer some day, i will spend my last months going on a vigilante rage and killing criminals, just like these.IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares Knowflake Posts: 541 From: No Permanent Address Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 01:43 PM
It doesn't give any tips about what to do if the abductors are ALIENS!  IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2167 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 02:12 PM
or medics with swine flu vaccine!IP: Logged |
Yin Knowflake Posts: 690 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 02:28 PM
Ughh, I hate this email. Somehow it finds it's way in my mail box at least once a year.IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 02:40 PM
Good reminder!And I always preach body language and awareness for ladies! I look straght into the eyes, momentarily, of the vatos I work aroud, (both male and female gangstas'), keep my head high, but not the nose stuck up in the air , keep a firm pose, straight back, wait until I am secure in my vehicle to mess with my purse, work bag, cell phone, etc. Basically send the message of "dont f*$k with me! I left work one evening, noticed 3 vatos hanging out on a balcony of a section 8 apartment development next to my hospital noticing me and my Toyota Tacoma 4wd I was getting into, I made it quite apparant that I saw them, got in, situated my stuff, leaned out the door and looked back a them, gazed at them for not too long, just enough to let them know I saw them, Awareness! Loose the victim mentality, they will be the victims if they mess with me or my house,,,,afterall, in Texas, I can use what ever means I feel I need to to keep me, my family and my property safe and I am quite equipped to do so! IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 701 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 02:41 PM
reading this made me scared. the part with the baby is just so horrible. what about: 11-change area, go and live in a different country where this kind of things is totally exceptional? a week ago, in france a woman jogger got abducted and killed, but it is not common. 12- ban guns, so all the things above about the cars just can't happen; as well as gangs murders, and presidents assassination... or if they happen, they make it easier to find out who was involved 13- campaign or do somethi about the state of the society, its culture... here i mean tv, i know about it because i saw most of the US series when i had a TV, as most europeans do. we are fed with it, and they are violent, and always with the same scenario; it could also be said of most hollywood film. did u know that there was alternative cultures and movies? i'm thinking bollywood movies, or indeed european, or asian or african film. the US influence can be felt, not by the violence, cause other cultures know violence obviously, but by its scale and frequency. also, i think we could learn much about our culture by watching others. 14- if nothing of it works, we could all kill ourselves. if one of my sisters went to live in a very big city, i would tell them: to avoid looking at strangers, no eye contacts when unnessecary. but no acting special or weird like looking at the floor and bump in a lampost; they could look pretty but not too much obvious jewlery or make upso she's not standing out and become an easy target. pretty is fine if she does the same journey everyday, i would recommend her to stop here and there in local shops so she might have some friends or accuintances that at least assure them. to change pace sometimes, just for the fun. that goes with being here and now when she commutes. no day dreaming but 100% here now so she can feel confident that noone is walking "besides" her. luckily they live in toulouse, 600 000 people, a lot of students there so a lively city where guns and serial killers are rare. they can exist there, but my 2 sisters live in couple and have a wide social circle that would get worried pretty quickly. nobody is secure 100% and i wouldn't want to be a girl in some circumstances, but having lived in big cities and the countryside, i can imagine a terrible thing happening in both settings, so it's a mix of vigilance and social involvement to live in a decent environment. also, i would suggest my sister to think of the sengh of a man itheir life that would be protective of them in a threatening situation/conversation. that should be used with discernment and common sense given above IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 701 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 02:51 PM
very good points hippichick as a guy, i do this always, but i'm tall so unless they are numerous (guns not allowed here) they wont get away with pissin me off. i guess for a girl it is important to behave like that too.  IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares Knowflake Posts: 541 From: No Permanent Address Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 03:01 PM
Yes, Hippichick! It's all about vibes. When I'm out alone at night I make sure I activate my "invisible blue shield" and send out vibes that say "Don't effing come near me.". IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 03:30 PM
Pire and DeuxThanks for the validation! I PREACH this to my daugters and anyother ladies who will listen!!! Not to say that I am a ***** to the public~! I am not, I am very respectful and sometimes friendly (really alot)!!!  But I never and I repeat NEVER traverse through life cowering, thinking I should be taken care of, watched over, I never send out the victim energy. Cause I am not. Pire, special thanks to you, from a man's viewpoint! My bfriend thinks me too independent sometimes, well, where things like homestead needs are concerned, but he applauds my independence in general and my safety in living (and working) in a city where crime is rampant! I can only be a "victim" if I let it be. Been stalked, harassed, life threatened with a gun many, many times and I was never the victim, just made me more aware and stronger! I do not "pack" outside of my home, but soon, I will obtain a license to carry (cause I like to go to a very remote beach in south Texas...) Lately in South Texas more and more property owners are taking advantage of their rights and more and more (usually young gangsta men)are loosing their lives to their criminal mindset~! OK! sounding way too much like the Texas rebal I am not, just embracing my yang, I suppose (Pisces sun with a hell of a lot of Aqua influcence!!) blessings t~~~ IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 701 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 03:46 PM
hippichick, i like the way u describe being streetwise. because what i wrote did sound like girls should apologise for going out.  deux, are we similar on so many subjects or it's an idea?  IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2167 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 05:19 PM
well i posted this because it amazes me that apparently a lot of people spend time worrying about things like this...personally i have a similar attitude, woe unto he who tries to f*** with me! i stare drivers down when on a crosswalk, - and pedestrians when driving LOL! - and i have foiled every pickpocket/thief/aggressor who has tried one on me SO FAR ANYHOW! i know people get abducted, but this post makes it sound like a) just anybody makes a likely target, i don't really agree. unless there's sex or money in it why would you? (or a grudge) b) women are idiots who don't notice what's going on around them for some reason it reminds me of the movie "arachnophobia" - i guess because you can sit around in fear about anything you choose... IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 06:47 PM
"fear is the mindkiller" ~DuneIP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 1330 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 07:10 PM
Thanks for the elbow tip. I wasnt aware of that.Been thinking about taking up a martial art for awhile now...actually since I was a little girl, just not sure which one yet. Aikido appeals to me ("the peaceful martial art") or judo. Am also interested in Qi Gong and Tai Chi. Is anyone experienced in these areas? IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 751 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 07:32 PM
Thanks katatonic. I like sensible, practical ideas.One thing that 'attackers' do, is pull the hair of women. The longer it is, the easier for him to pin a woman down. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2167 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 09, 2009 08:09 PM
lol, T, you're the same kind of martial artist as me! been thinking about it too, for about 25 years...life is actually starting to give me some time frames when i might be able to.aikido strikes a chord with me too. before christmas then - pact? as to aggressors i have found many times that just NOT being afraid and blocking defensively can cause havoc to their plans...i even broke one guy's hand putting my arm up to protect my face when he took a swing at me! without hurting myself. the worst adversaries i have ever had to deal with were other women...one about 300 pounds worth of pub landlady, the other a friend about half my size, but strong - and VICIOUS when mad! IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares Knowflake Posts: 541 From: No Permanent Address Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 01:47 AM
Pire Must be my Aqua Eros.   IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 2247 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 02:07 AM
Cool thread. Great advice.One that I do is if I'm driving and have to put the windows down in my car, even though I place my bag in the passenger seat, I still strap it in with the seat belt so it's attached to the car. So if someone leans in the passenger side and tries to take it when the car is stopped, they can't, without removing my seat belt. I always wear a bag that I can have across my body rather than over the shoulder too. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 2247 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 02:09 AM
quote: ban guns
This one will always get my vote. IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 297 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 03:51 AM
Banning guns causes crime to rise as criminals become bolder. Women and the elderly are especially prone to the rising violence. Furthermore, as black market guns focuses more where they're still produced--ie, military and government sources--they become more deadly, as does the ammunition (including armor piercing). In short, ban guns, increase gun violence, and violence in general.You can say that the rare mass murderer would not have them (though this wouldn't necessarily be true, but for the sake of argument, I'll say it is), but it wouldn't stop mass murders. Japan and China, for example, have had mass murders (especially at schools, but in other places, too) done with a knife that outdoes most mass shootings in the USA. Reasons for this seem to be that those who use guns frequently miss, the sound of gunfire alerts people who run, and even when hit it's usually a lot less deadly than a knife (because there's a lot less control on HOW it hits). And you can't stop black market guns, any more than you can stop black market cocaine and heroine and meth. And Mencken can explain the rest: http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/uplifters_try_it_again.htm As for martial arts like Aikido, judo, Qi Gong and Tai Chi, I have very little experience in these but know people who practice them (one who practiced a Korean martial art that incorporated Aikido). In short, Qi Gong and Tai Chi have many benefits (such as posture and general health benefits), but for self-defense they're not worth much. Maybe after years of practice it is, but I met a male sifu (I presume Tai Chi has sifus like Wing Chun) who not only practiced it, but taught it for years, and he was taken down instantly by a mugger who sucker punched him (after years of him teaching it to others). Also understand that there is a difference between martial arts as a sport (ie, competitions) and martial arts as a means of self-defense. You need to decide which is more important when you try to learn. Of course sports martial arts can be useful for self-defense, but not as useful as if you learned it for self-defense. I know very little of judo, but Aikido seems to focus on pressure points (like how to bend an arm in just the right way, or twist out of a grasp). Overall, I'd recommend Wing Chun or Krav. Wing Chun, btw, was created by a woman who needed to defeat male martial artists, and it worked for her, and enough others for it to survive to this day (though it has become much more male dominated since then--Bruce Lee was trained in this before he pioneered his own system). Krav is perhaps the best form of recognized martial arts for self-defense, practically being a form of specialized streetfighting. This not only teaches how to take down someone bigger, but also deal with armed attackers. This is so intense that there's a difference between what's taught to soldiers (in Israel) and what's taught to civilians. I don't think there is such a thing as "for sport" Krav, at least its training is obviously geared for streetfighting rather than artistic patterns or katas that are meant to be expressive as well as useful for self-defense. The best part is that while other martial arts take a long time (sometimes years) to develop the body and the responses to be useful for self-defense against a streetfighter or someone much bigger than you, krav starts preparing you for this right away, and training your body with adrenaline so that when your adrenaline is provoked by an attack, your mind & body are much more likely to remember what to do. Don't overlook many pure self-defense courses like Model Mugging. What's great about a lot of these systems is that they're not only geared for pure self-defense, but often allow assumptions that you're not only much smaller than an attacker, but also have arthritis, or even a broken leg (I went to one course that showed how to turn crutches into brutal weapons!) For a very basic introduction on other means of self-defense, I've found this a good website: http://www.aware.org/ IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 09:49 AM
O, myI do not want my right as a resident of the US and Texas to own a firearm (well actually 2) to be taken from me. Cause the criminals will always find weapons and if they are going to bear arms I should have the right to protect me and mine. The black market for firearms if as huge if not moreso than the drug market. I obtained both of my guns very legally, they are registered to me and I went through an extensive screening and history check to purchase mine. I know how to use them, I have fired both of them multiple times and I kep them out of sight. Banning guns would do nothing cept make the law-abiding citizen more vulnerable to the thugs in life. I take responsibility for myself. Gee...I can just see phoning 911 if someone is breaking into my house, I would be dead, cold and the second phase of rigor already set in before the cops arrived. If fireamrs were banned, I would keep one around anyway. I really can not imagine what these idiot criminal thugs are thinking these days when breaking into a home in my neck of the woods! We have the right to defend our stuff and by golly the idiots had better get that into their heads! What about the hunters? Such a lenghty subject! t~~~ IP: Logged |
hippichick Knowflake Posts: 124 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 09:53 AM
AlsoMost assults on women, or men for that matter do not necessarially involve a firearm. Knives and brut force are usually used. Am I not supposed to have a knife in my kitchen to cook with?  people shoot people guns don't shoot people,, lets ban the criminals and keep our right to remain alive! IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 2167 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 03:01 PM
unfortunately no place is completely safe. there was an old lady murdered in her home near me, the first murder in that town in 10 years, but no one could find a motive...still i generally feel safe. like a protective shield i carry with me. i have been told by psychics i have good boundaries, not so solid as to isolate me but strong enough to keep the nasties out. so far it seems to be true! funnily with the gun banning thing, in england violent crime HAS gone up since handguns were banned. but the US still carries the honours for incidences of murder. used to be in england as here if someone was invading your castle (home) you could shoot them dead without being prosecuted. now apparently people who defend their property (and/or person) have been sent to jail for owning illegal weapons! IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 297 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted October 10, 2009 06:37 PM
quote: I really can not imagine what these idiot criminal thugs are thinking these days when breaking into a home in my neck of the woods! We have the right to defend our stuff and by golly the idiots had better get that into their heads!
Someone I know who works in a prison said one of the inmates is from Texas and claims he comes to California to do his crimes because he feels he's much less likely to get shot here. I knew a pretty cowardly criminal in Houston from California, and the Texas attitude toward home invaders made him go back to California. Actually, he was the one who taught me (by watching him) that criminals prefer unarmed victims, even if the criminal has a gun himself. quote: funnily with the gun banning thing, in england violent crime HAS gone up since handguns were banned. but the US still carries the honours for incidences of murder
Yes, and if we banned guns UK style, our violent crime would also go up. Personally, I think it's bad enough already! And adding to that, most of our violent crime is focused on areas with heavy gun control. Take out Illinois, Washington DC, California, and a bunch of places like that, our violent crime goes WAY down. In contrast, Vermont is one of the least violent states, among the least in suicides and gun accidents, is better on average than most places in Canada and UK, and there you don't even need a permit to buy a gun and carry it concealed. One local shared how her husband in another state put trigger guards on all her guns out of spite and she walked into a Vermont police station (after returning to her home state) and told them, and they just laughed and cut her trigger guards off for her without even checking her ID. And it's just taken for granted that people are armed there. Much more dramatically, at least a few years ago (I haven't seen any recent stats), Arlington and Washington DC (almost one city separated only by a bridge) had a dramatic difference in violent crime, with Washington DC being much higher. The factors of both are very similar. The only major difference I know of (for the time) was that in Arlington you could own guns and easily (if you weren't convicted of any felonies) carry one concealed. But I guess that makes sense if you think about it: if you were going to attack people and could go across a bridge to where the law abiding couldn't have guns (and you weren't law abiding yourself if you had your own gun), wouldn't you go? 'Course it's also worth noting that the DC sniper was from, well, Washington DC. Still, this doesn't prove that more guns = less crime, but it DOES prove that less guns does not necessarily mean less crime...nor is it the way to bet, either. IP: Logged | |