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posted October 21, 2009 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Ive thought for awhile now that it's not the parents (by that i mean individuals) we are necessarily choosing, but the opportunites for growth that we most need...or the areas in higher humanness we need to develop in order to grow. Our guides (or whatever you want to call them/It) helps us find what will be the best situation or opportunity before birth, to be situated in for our path or growth in a particular lifetime. Rather than look at the people who are your parents, you might want to try veiwing it from a larger scope and see what kind of themes or repeating patters you can find. Look at what is hardest for you to overcome in your own inner psyche with them, the strongest emotions they trigger in you....things like that. If that makes sense? That's how i've been thinking of things anyway.

I really don't like or - it doesnt resonate with me, the whole thing about: If you have a mean parent, that means you were a mean parent once. That may very well be so - and fine! but I think there is more to it than that and that can serve to keep a person stuck and playing a victim role. Is there an even bigger and more complicated reason why we get the parents we do?

I dont think it's so simple or cut and dry, always the case or true, that you were bad now your stuck suffering with some bad ones. Though there is a thread of that woven through perhaps.

I think you choose or are placed with people and situations to learn and evolve. Whether they be your parents or other people in your life. The hardest ones to deal with are the ones that need your looking into more closely and honestly with yourself.

If you can forget a little about the "people" themselves - or not blame them, and look more at the overall dynamic of the relationship, you might be able to start healing? If you think of it in terms of an opportunity to learn and grow. And that it is there because you called it to you on some level - at least partly. Though I hesitate to even say that kind of thing anymore, because i'm so sick of this New Age stuff that says we create our own reality and people asking: "Well, why did you manifest this or that? Or call that situation to you?" and things of that nature. We simply do not create every single thing in our reality. I know no person who is that "awake" and capable of manifesting everything absolutely perfectly. I'm sure most of our lives would be a whole lot different if we could do that. But that's a whole other can of worms I dont want to get into now. I know all the quick and easy "answers" to argue that one, but have dissected those too. I hope to never hear someone smugly saying: "Well, you called it in!!!" or something along those lines again.

Just a couple of cents.

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posted October 21, 2009 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
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posted October 21, 2009 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with that T. I apologize to anyone who is a fan of Louise Hay, but to be honest she gets on my last nerve.

I don't think you chose to have something as random as...say, PMS, which is in her book about healing your body. I mean some things we are just susceptible to because we are living in a human body. Stuff is gonna hurt, stuff is gonna deteriorate. I get so tired of New Age people telling me, "why do you think you want to have Lupus?" It infuriates me.

I can see the point in some cases with illness and short lives.
Children that suffer SIDS or get cancer and pass away. I believe these souls chose that experience.

Of course none of this is proven. Yet I really do believe we incarnate in every possible situation. We experience wealth, poverty, discrimination, power, etc. All for the purpose of learning the inner conditions of each experience to hopefully, learn compassion and unconditional love.

It would seem to make sense that you would be able to understand someone with a completely different set of cultural values and morals, if you had been in their shoes at one time or another.

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posted October 21, 2009 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i agree completely with T too. but i think the fact that some people have interpreted "creating your reality" with "wanting to have a problem' is getting the wrong end of the stick, even as louise hay set it out.

it's so true most of us are not awake enough to make the right choices all the time, and we are also subject to the COLLECTIVE reality we find ourselves in.

but like the child who remembers childish reasons for picking his mother, the me that lives here and now is NOT at the same level as the me who chose her parents/family situation and often has NO IDEA why i would have chosen such and such. but i do know enough to look for the "lesson" or "gift" in a situation, and that gives me a clue why i MIGHT have chosen some things.

but i also think we may choose a situation to incarnate into, and even a framework or basic lifeplan, but when we get here the decisions we make affect THAT reality and change it...

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posted October 22, 2009 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
According to Sergei Lazarev, one's family has always been one's family in all incarnations. We change roles in the next incarnation - sisters become mothers, etc. and we have no choice in the matter. It's all about working out some hereditary karma. (He's very dark. He believes that only love of God can "save" the soul from suffering and our troubles come from too much human "attachment".)

Lazarev is very popular in my part of the world.
Here is his site. http://lazarev.ru/

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posted October 22, 2009 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
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posted October 22, 2009 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
I love you, agent 26

Valus, may I ask what Egyptian texts you're reading?

I'm willing to suppose that, as modes of living and thinking have slowly evolved in the physical world, so have they evolved in the spiritual realms. Possibly accounts for discrepency between ancient and modern memories and visions of life between incarnations?

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posted October 22, 2009 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I'm beginning to believe embracing New Age knowledge is something to do with tuning into vibration. If someone is distracted/abused/participating in worldy challenges (sins?) then they won't, as easily, tune into the true vibration, that is, the power of the Universe."


Who decides if it's a true vibration or not?

That seems like a relative perception to me.

also people might not believe in reincarnation because of things connected to cultural,societal beliefs. they are not necessarily connected to challenges,abuse,and victimization.

Some people just don't believe in reincarnation. Some might have a critical,scientific approach to things. Some have other spritual,religious beliefs that have nothing to do with reincarnation.

There is possibility of people having connection with true vibration without having any belief in reincarnation. but then again, true is a matter of perception. From others' point of view, true is false and vice versa.


"Let me find out what God he is? Who made me be an "untouchable"? Tell me what I did in my last life. I sure want to find out. Ok. I sure want to talk to the God. Mabey I'll shoot him! Becasuse I know the life of an untouchable in India. But what the Aryans did, they made us completly dumb. Completly ignorant. Completly Ilitarate. Completly poor. Completly weak in every sense of the word for 3000 years." -Dr. Velu Annamalai, the first Dalit in history to achieve a Ph.d in Engineering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNYYTg5zloM&feature=PlayList&p=EF49A074F015E2E6&index=2

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posted October 22, 2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Great thoughts, friends.

Shura, I love you too. And it's great to have your energy back here. Hope all is well with you.

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posted October 22, 2009 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus, I can't speak for anyone ofcourse, but maybe substitute 'pure' for 'true'?

Also, the more unbalanced we are the more difficult to consistently tune into a higher, more pure vibration. Or Impulse. Or stream. Or whatever you might feel comfortable calling it. Cultivating virtue, practicing discipline, strengthening the will, cleansing the body etc are necessary for this 'tuning in' business. There is no orthodox religion, no ancient mystery school, no sacred teaching in all the world that will tell you any different. Unless, you know, you want to move over to the Dark Side. But I assume no one here does?

Believing or disbelieving in reincarnation may or may not be the result of an emotional or mental block, rather than the flowering of a pure impulse. Most of our thoughts and instincts really are just that - the natural result of a Thought passing through the filter of our spiritual/emotional issues and our personal history (past lives very much included, particularly with reagrd to instinctual behavior). Then again, belief followed by disbelief, or vice versa, may be just what the Cosmic Doctor ordered. Or sometimes both.
As part of its historical and spiritual group evolution, there was a time when the West needed to throw the knowledge of reincarnation out the window. And now the time has come to remember and understand, and so we are slowly doing just that. Right here, thanks to our Promethean Valus! The same with individual spirits too?
My point being that thoughts - I believe in reincarnation/I don't believe in reincarnation - never just spring up out of nowhere. We access these from the etheric realm and they then pass through our Selves - in whatever state that Self might be. What we access is sometimes what we need at whatever given point in time to further our development and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Nevertheless, I think we're still responsibile for making every attempt to catch the highest star possible. A clear transmission requires a clear vehicle of transmission.
Who was it that said "I didn't have the thought, the thought had me"?

Just my own personal interpretation of Koi's observation and T's statement.

right as rain, 26. thanks for asking.

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posted October 22, 2009 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I am going to post more on the dalits/untouchables in regards to reincarnation,but I am going to do it in another thread.


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posted October 23, 2009 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I feel that some people overly use and even misuse the word,karma.

I mean...damn......look at the issues with Untouchables in India. So much damned oppression covered up with the karma concept.


Some people often use that term whenever people do or say things that they don't like or don't agree with.

There are people are like "look at me...I am enlightened...I advanced" because they are vegetarians/vegans yeah..India is mainly a country of vegetarians/vegans, and look how the Untouchables/Dalits are treated there), I can tell people what their karma and lessons are."

They think that they know what their feeling,thinking,and what they are dreaming and project their beliefs and ideas onto other people even though people tell them clearly what they their feelings,thoughts,and dreams about.


yeah..you choose your parents. It's your karma to be an Untouchable/Dalit because you did something in your pastlife.

yeahhhhh......right! I don't think so

I don't think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr would believe that in regards to segregation. I don't think Nelson Mandela would in regards to Apartheid. I don't think Frederick Douglass wouldn't in regards to slavery in USA.

I am damned sure Malcolm X wouldn't either!

just like Dr. Velu Annamalai definitely doesn't in regards to Untouchability in India.

a bunch of spiritual snobbery


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posted October 23, 2009 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
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Valus, may I ask what Egyptian texts you're reading?

Book's called THE HERMETICA
Lost Wisdom Of The Pharoahs
Supposedly, these are translations of
no less than Hermes Trismegistus himself.

I just started another book that
might equally pique your curiosity:
The Mountain Of Silence
A Search for Orthodox Spirituality
by Kyriacos C. Markides

He has kind of a journalistic style..
His previous book, "Riding With The Lion",
chronicled his observations on Mt. Athos
(called by some a "Christian Tibet",) while
he enjoyed the rare priviledge of staying
for a while with some of the monks there,
and in this book he accompanies one of them
to the island of Cyprus to perform important
functions within the Greek Orthodox Church.

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I'm willing to suppose that, as modes of living and thinking have slowly evolved in the physical world, so have they evolved in the spiritual realms. Possibly accounts for discrepency between ancient and modern memories and visions of life between incarnations?

That's not a bad theory, Shura.

And I agree with agent 26,
its nice to see you around.


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posted October 23, 2009 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
There is also a theory that people chose difficult lives, say as mentally retarded or physically handicapped (and maybe even Dalits, who knows) because by taking on the intense set of circumstances that those lives will bring, it evolves a soul closer to being "done" with incarnating into human life. Just a theory, don't shoot me.

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posted October 26, 2009 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
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That's not a bad theory, Shura.

eh. well, this seperation between the physical and the spritual realms is something we humans experience, not so much something that is. as above so below blah blah ... oh look! ....

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Book's called THE HERMETICA
Lost Wisdom Of The Pharoahs
Supposedly, these are translations of
no less than Hermes Trismegistus himself.

Hermes Trismegistus. i bow in reverence.

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I just started another book that
might equally pique your curiosity:
The Mountain Of Silence
A Search for Orthodox Spirituality
by Kyriacos C. Markides

this one I have not heard of. it does sound interesting. i'll look for it. at the moment, i'm reading 'the kingdom of childhood'. i believe it was eleanore who recommended this to me. and i'm guessing that was around two years ago, which well indicates how very long my ever growing 'must read' list is and the shameful amount of time i now require to make it through one lousy chapter. word to the wise, sir - read everything you can now, while you still can. when you become a daddy, pleasant afternoons lounging on the couch, lost in a good book will be a thing of distant memory.

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And I agree with agent 26,
its nice to see you around.


thank you kindly

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posted October 26, 2009 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"There is also a theory that people chose difficult lives, say as mentally retarded or physically handicapped (and maybe even Dalits, who knows) because by taking on the intense set of circumstances that those lives will bring, it evolves a soul closer to being "done" with incarnating into human life. Just a theory, don't shoot me."


Don't worry. I don't shoot people for having different views. I will disagree and give alternative viewpoints. They can be rather passionate,intense in delivery (Sun conjunct heliocentric South Heliocentric Node in Scorpio in 3rd,Mercury conjunct heliocentric South Mars Node and South Mercury Node in Scorpio in 3rd). I am not into attacking others,calling people names,or putting people down because they have different views, but I will defend myself passionately if that stuff is done to me.

It's great that we live in times where we aren't executed for having different views which was a regular thing in much older times.

Yep

I read what you said in a lot of books on reincarnations.

that's how the caste system came about.
It made it easier for for the Dalits to not question their circumstances,and so that was a relief for the higher castes who can do whatever they want to them.

It's a perfect sysem to use to justify oppression,mistreatment of minorities (race,ethnicity,nationality,handicaps,or different in some way). That's how Christianity was used. It was used to justify colonization and slavery.

Dalit,Dr. Velu Annamalai called Hinduism Brahminism and even sanctified racism.


Raymond

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posted October 26, 2009 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
Unsurprisingly, I shall quote Rudolf Steiner on this topic:

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A man of high moral principles also needs parents who transmit a physical body suitable for the functioning of his moral gifts. And he has these parents and no others because he is this particular kind of individuality.

The individuality himself seeks his parents, although under the guidance of higher Beings. From the point of view of mother-love many people take exception to this fact. They are fearful that they might lose something if the child were not to inherit certain qualities from the mother. True knowledge, however deepens mother-love, for it reveals that this love is present before birth, even before conception, as a force which guided the child to the mother. The child loves the mother even before birth and mother-love is the reciprocal force. Spiritually regarded, therefore, mother-love extends to the time before birth; it is rooted in mutual feelings of love.

It is often imagined that the human being is subject to the irrevocable law of karma in which nothing can be changed. Let us take a simile from everyday life to explain the working of this law.

A merchant makes entries of debits and credits in his account books; taken together, these entries tell him the state of his business. The financial state of his business is subject to the inexorable law governing the calculation of debit and credit. If he carries through new transactions he can make additional entries and he would be a fool if he were unwilling to embark on other business because a balance was once drawn up. In respect of karma, everything good, intelligent and true that has been done by a man stands on the credit side; evil or foolish deeds stand on the debit side. At every moment he is free to make new entries in the karmic book of life. It must never be imagined that life is under the sway of an immutable law of destiny; freedom is not impaired by the law of karma. In studying the law of karma, therefore, the future must be borne in mind as strongly as the past. Bearing within us the effects of past deeds, we are the slaves of the past, but the masters of the future. If we are to have a favourable future, we must make as many good entries as possible in the book of life."

-Esoteric Christianity and the Mission of Christian Rosenkreutz http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/EsoChr_index.html[/quote]

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In pursuing the laws of karma, we shall discover that the underlying reasons for suffering are similar to what can be described by the following example relating to the ordinary life between birth and death. Let us assume that a youngster has lived until his eighteenth year at the expense of his father. Then the father loses all his wealth and goes into bankruptcy. The young man must now learn something worthwhile and make an effort to support himself. As a result, life hits him with pain and privation. It is quite understandable that he does not react sympathetically to the pain that he has to go through.

Let us now turn to the period when he has reached the age of fifty. Since, by the necessity of events, he had to educate himself at an early age, he has become a decent person. He has found a real foothold in life. He realizes why he reacted negatively to pain and suffering when it first hit him, but now he must think differently about it. He must say to himself that the suffering would not have come to him if he had already acquired a sense of maturity — at least, to the limited degree than an eighteen year old can attain one. If he had not been afflicted by pain, he would have remained a good-for-nothing. It was the pain that transformed his shortcomings into positive abilities. He must owe it to the pain that he has become a different man in the course of forty years. What was really brought together at that time? His shortcomings and his pain were brought together. His shortcomings actually sought pain in order that his immaturity might be removed by being transformed into maturity.

Even a simple consideration of life between birth and death can lead to this view. If we look at the totality of life, however, and if we face our karma as it has been explained in the lecture two days ago, we will come to the conclusion that all pain that hits us, that all suffering that comes our way, are of such a nature that they are being sought by our shortcomings. By far the greater part of our pain and suffering is sought by imperfections that we have brought over from previous incarnations. Since we have these imperfections within ourselves, there is a wiser man in us than we ourselves are who chooses the road to pain and suffering. It is, indeed, one of the golden rules of life that we all carry in us a wiser man than we ourselves are, a much wiser man. The one to whom we say, “I,” in ordinary life is less wise. If it was left to this less wise person in us to make a choice between pain and joy, he would undoubtedly choose the road toward joy. But the wiser man is the one who reigns in the depth of our unconscious and who remains inaccessible to ordinary consciousness. He directs our gaze away from easy enjoyment and kindles in us a magic power that seeks the road of pain without our really knowing it. But what is meant by the words: Without really knowing it? They mean that the wiser man in us prevails over the less wise one. He always acts in such a way that our shortcomings are guided to our pains and he makes us suffer because with every inner and outer suffering we eliminate one of our faults and become transformed into something better.
-Facing Karma http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/FacKar_index.html


Pretty similar themes are inherent in his lectures to what has been lightly harped on in this thread.

My answer would be "no, we do not choose our parents". The reason for that is because the entity that we refer to as "I" is not in control in the supersensible realms. Taken to a deeper level of our spiritual constitution, you might very well find that the answer changes. That is not, however, a universal decree that is established for everyone. There are instances, for example, when certain individuals lead a earthly life that takes them far away from spiritual concepts and feeling, hence making them impotently blind in their transition from death to the afterlife.

Not an easy answer, Valus.

May Abba and the Son Deus shine light upon your searching.

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posted October 26, 2009 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
ahhhhh thanks nosis

there's another steiner passage i thought to post where he claims romantic attraction between potential parents is, at least in part, the result of an incarnate spirit's desire for rebirth. in other words, it was because my son required the particular mix of dna and moral character that only my husband and i could provide, that i was attracted to my husband in the first place(and lord knows, for the life of me i sometimes can't otherwise imagine why ). I don't remember where i read this and after a quick and unsuccesful search, I gave up looking. Does it sound familiar to you?

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Even a simple consideration of life between birth and death can lead to this view. If we look at the totality of life, however, and if we face our karma as it has been explained in the lecture two days ago, we will come to the conclusion that all pain that hits us, that all suffering that comes our way, are of such a nature that they are being sought by our shortcomings. By far the greater part of our pain and suffering is sought by imperfections that we have brought over from previous incarnations. Since we have these imperfections within ourselves, there is a wiser man in us than we ourselves are who chooses the road to pain and suffering. It is, indeed, one of the golden rules of life that we all carry in us a wiser man than we ourselves are, a much wiser man. The one to whom we say, “I,” in ordinary life is less wise. If it was left to this less wise person in us to make a choice between pain and joy, he would undoubtedly choose the road toward joy. But the wiser man is the one who reigns in the depth of our unconscious and who remains inaccessible to ordinary consciousness. He directs our gaze away from easy enjoyment and kindles in us a magic power that seeks the road of pain without our really knowing it. But what is meant by the words: Without really knowing it? They mean that the wiser man in us prevails over the less wise one. He always acts in such a way that our shortcomings are guided to our pains and he makes us suffer because with every inner and outer suffering we eliminate one of our faults and become transformed into something better.
-Facing Karma http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/FacKar_index.html

our imperfections seek out pain

this is one of my very favorite steiner thoughts. it's seen me through several cataclysmic events and a host of bothersome roadblocks.

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with or without karma or reincarnation, i find it helpful to remember the phrase,

this is happening FOR me, not TO me

which reminds me that even the worst situation can bring insight and good fortune if met with the right attitude and if we look for the "lesson" or knowledge to be gained from it....

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i find it helpful to remember the phrase,
this is happening FOR me, not TO me

Kat, thank you! I'd never heard that before. I like it and will be reminding myself of it often!

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shura,

He often brings that up in many of the lectures on karma. I found this paragraph in my searches in which he seems to go into it a little more:

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THE following question has been asked: “According to the law of reincarnation, we are required to think that the human individuality possesses its talents, capacities, and so forth, as an effect of its previous lives. Is this not contradicted by the fact that such talents and capacities, for instance moral courage, musical gifts, and so forth, are directly inherited by the children from their parents?”

Answer: If we rightly conceive of the laws of reincarnation and karma, we cannot find a contradiction in what is stated above. Only those qualities of the human being which belong to his physical and ether body can be directly passed on by heredity. The ether body is the bearer of all life phenomena (the forces of growth and reproduction). Everything connected with this can be directly passed on by heredity. What is bound to the so-called soul-body can be passed on by heredity to a much lesser degree. This constitutes a certain disposition in the sensations. Whether we possess a vivid sense of sight, a well-developed sense of hearing, and so forth, may depend upon whether our ancestors have acquired such faculties and have passed them on to us by heredity. But nobody can pass on to his offsprings what is connected with the actual spiritual being of man, that is, for instance, the acuteness and accuracy of his life of thought, the reliability of his memory, the moral sense, the acquired capacities of knowledge and art.

These are qualities which remain enclosed within his individuality and which appear in his next incarnation as capacities, talents, character, and so forth. — The environment, however, into which the reincarnating human being enters is not accidental, but it is necessarily connected with his karma. Let us assume a human being has acquired in his previous life the capacity for a morally strong character. It is his karma that this capacity should unfold in his next incarnation. This would not be possible if he did not incarnate in a body which possesses a quite definite constitution. This bodily constitution, however, must be inherited from the forebears. The incarnating individuality strives, through a power of attraction inherent in it, toward those parents who are capable of giving it the suitable body. This is caused by the fact that, already before reincarnating, this individuality connects itself with the forces of the astral world which strive toward definite physical conditions. Thus the human being is born into that family which is able to transmit to him by heredity the bodily conditions which correspond to his karmic potentialities. It then looks, if we go back to the example of moral courage, as if the latter itself had been inherited from the parents. The truth is that man, through his individual being, has searched out that family which makes the unfoldment of moral courage possible for him. In addition to this it may be possible that the individualities of the children and the parents have already been connected in previous lives and for that very reason have found one another again. The karmic laws are so complicated that we may never base a judgment upon outer appearances. Only a person to whose spiritual sense-organs the higher worlds are at least partially manifest may attempt to form such a judgment. Whoever is able to observe the soul organism and the spirit, in addition to the physical body, is in a position to discriminate between what has been passed on to the human being by his forebears and what is his own possession, acquired in previous lives. For ordinary vision these things are not clearly distinguishable, and it may easily appear as if something were merely inherited which in reality is karmicly determined. — It is a thoroughly wise expression which states that children are “given” to their parents. In respect of the spirit this is absolutely the case. And children with certain spiritual qualities are given to them for the very reason that they, the parents, are capable of giving the children the opportunity to unfold these spiritual qualities.
Reincarnation and Karma
ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS CONCERNING KARMA http://wn.rsarchive.org/Articles/ReKarm_questions.html;mark=60,56,66#WN_mark


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posted October 27, 2009 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurusvirgoleolady1974     Edit/Delete Message
according to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, yes, we do choose our parents in the third bardo, which is the third of three stages of transitioning between lives. according to this book when we enter this stage we see couples engaged in sex. we supposedly pick them then.
this makes sense to me.

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posted October 27, 2009 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
lmao @ i liked how my parents had sex and i chose to be with them. YUck!! I dont even want to think about that and i dont think anyone else likes to either, so why would i like them based on how they had sex.

Secondly i dont think we are even reincarnated. Like it was said above we get DNA from our parents. No 2 people are the same in previos life times or in this lifetime. We get a mixture from our parents. Yes we probably do get influenced by transits and we probably do mesh into what our chart is but that doesnt mean we chose it.. Lots of babies are born by c-section and they dont choose, the doctor gives a time and u get it done. Also doesnt the mothers and fathers natal chart already identify the type of child they will have in their 5th house. So the child matching that description would come along at a time that matches??
I mean even if i could chose again i wouldve still chose this life and rather than a life of britney spears whos rich and famous.

I am so lucky to have freedom and to have a cat i love with my whole heart and yes my mum was the worst but i wouldnt give up my cat or my freedom for the world. I love my life. I believe god will reward me with my own children and give me happiness when i have them. I believe we all are familiar with our destiny anyway. We all know and feel the truth about our future at some point.

Oh and the boy who got hypnotised for being depressed.. sounds like a difficult transit of saturn to moon maybe.

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posted October 28, 2009 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurusvirgoleolady1974     Edit/Delete Message
i didnt say that you choose parents on if you like how they are having sex. thats nasty. i am just telling what is according to the tibetan book of the dead. you can google it, but i read a documentary on it on the discovery channel. there are three steps, and that is the third. i dont really know, i havent been down that road! LOL! and not in a hurry.

the reason i say it makes sense to me, is something personal i have been going through since i can remember. according to the book, it is not wise to rush into pcking your parents. i really feel like that is what happened to my soul, but thats a whole 'nother story.

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