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pire
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posted November 02, 2009 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
also, it's not because someone isn't a poet that they don't feel the beauty

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posted November 02, 2009 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Why is it so difficult for people to allow themselves to believe that a prophet could come out and say he is a prophet? Why is that a taboo? What if Valus truly has something of great importance to share with the world?

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posted November 02, 2009 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

"Poet" is just a word...

We can define it in various ways
to suit the purpose of the moment.

I would say that anyone who feels,
really feels, the poetry of life,
is a poet, whether or not they write.

I'm sure there are plenty of poets here.

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pire
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posted November 02, 2009 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
answer this: why would it be a problem to the prophet himself???

now, personally, even though i believe valus is wise, my previous post meant that i believe others are wise too. Not with words may be, but if you want to focus one minute on their beauty, you might find a new form of beauty.

valus talks beauty. fine. i know people who act beauty, PA for ex. one doesn't belittle the other. if they could make each other grow, it would be even better, but if they can't, at least they should try not to pull all the blanket on their side.

me thinks.

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Valus
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posted November 02, 2009 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Sometimes, I am a prophet.

Sometimes, we all are.

Everyone gets inspired
and says prophetic things.

I try to make it a habit.

And, yes, sometimes
I'm just a lazy guy with
an unrealistic appreciation
of his own talents.

And sometimes I'm an ass.

And sometimes I'm just human.

I'm lots of things.

Some of which are praiseworthy,
and some of which need more work.

I just wish people would open their minds
to the possibility that such diversity
is possible in the soul of an individual.

And praise me for what is praiseworthy.
And censure me for what is censureworthy.

If I show my ass somewhere,
dont take it out on my best work.
That's all I'm saying.
Don't devalue what is best in me,
or deny the existence of my best side,
because YOU cannot fit both of them
inside your narrow assumptions of
how people are, or are "supposed" to be.

Not speaking to anybody in particular;
just the general "you".
You know who you are.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I agree, pire.

But you seem to be
belittling my methods
in favor of others.

Just allow me
my share of the blanket.

And we're cool.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Thanks, T.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
valus, use my advices if you want, i'm giving them to you because i've got faith in you. i'm not perfect, but trust me that these advices are free from animal instincts.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
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And my threads have gotten their share
of criticism and censure, havent they?

Yes, and that's exactly my point. You're all offended about PA's judging you when she's writing about your threads. You know what people think about your threads, so why get all upset when PA points that out? Why take it so personally? Why can't a person both like a person whilst sometimes getting offended by them? People are friends with people who offend them all the time. I don't get taking a black and white view on something like that.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
AG, what you wrote do apply to me too (but i hide it well)

Yin, sorry if i seem to bother valus, i like him too you know?

valus,

"I just wish people would open their minds
to the possibility that such diversity
is possible in the soul of an individual."

they might think the same about themselves

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posted November 02, 2009 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
pire, you don't need to apologize to me. I am as much of a sinner as the next person.

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You know what people think about your threads, so why get all upset when PA points that out?

It exasperates the "what-people-think-about-your-threads" problem. (Whatever that may be - good or bad.) Since LL is an online forum with many, many threads, all on different topics, it will be helpful (and I hope -also desirable) that people keep things topic-specific so whoever started the topic will have the ability to properly respond. People put energy and effort into their threads, no? If you speak of someone else's threads, their content or draw any conclusions and feel the need to share them with all LL folks (again, public forum), it is only fair that you give that person in question a heads-up. Otherwise it all looks like some petty backstabbing. Wait, wasn't that a recent bone of contention at LL?

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posted November 02, 2009 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I'm not sure what you mean, AG. The comments that offend me most are directed, not to my choice of subject matter, or even to my approach, but to my character. To who I am as a person. I dont think its possible to be offended by who somebody is as a person and still be their friend. And since I think my methods have profound value and are appropriate to this venue, I see no contradiction in opposing their censure while censuring PA and her methods.

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You know what people think about your threads, so why get all upset when PA points that out?

First of all, I know what SOME people think of my threads. And I know what other people think of them, too. My threads are polarizing. In general, people either love them or hate them. That's what I know about people's reactions to my threads. And, anyway, if you know somebody thinks you are ugly, or fat, does that mean you won't get offended when they go around repeating how ugly or fat they think you are? Of course not. It still hurts. And there was no reason for PA to launch into an extended description of how negatively she views me, my subject matter, or my methods. I wasnt even involved in the discussion! And it really wasnt about me, however much some people wanted to make it about me.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
"you seem to be
belittling my methods
in favor of others."

not at all.

you might get glimpses only of the depths of my feelings.

the sabian symbol for my sun is "a man being unmasked" i know everything there is to know about this sabian, and its meaning is not simply as literal. i could write twenty pages about it. but to sum up, it's about hiding and revealing. i'm cancer rising with a massive feeling of being exposed, therefore my "shield" in my life has been a mastery in hiding feelings.

if i belittle your method, it's only because i "unmasked" their flaws and know how to fix them, because i "unmasked" your qualities (the method is the tool, the message is the essence)

and so you can make me shut up because i'm subjective. but may be in this instance, my subjectivity stems from a loving place... may be...

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posted November 02, 2009 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
bloody afflicted mercury, i wanted to add something that i just forgot

yes, i know, i will shut up if you ask me too

much love your way!

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posted November 02, 2009 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

pire,


the thing is...

You arent unmasking anything.

You're just stating the obvious.

We all know there is a contradiction
between the noble ideals we all profess
and many of our behaviors in the world.

But there was no need to bring down
the vibration of this thread by drawing
a comparison to the vibration of
other things I've recently said.

If you must point out the comparison,
do so as a means of acknowledging my humanity
and the profound struggle that is within me.

Too often, people make those comparisons
only to suggest that they cancel each other out,
or worse, -- that the negative cancels out the positive.

But I understood what you felt,
and I dont disagree with it.
This thread is tainted by my inability
to be faithful to its message at all times.

But, it is also pure..

Regardless of what preceded or followed it.

It is what it is.

A moment of purity.

Something good.

Did it pass?

Yeah, it passed.

But it happened.

For what its worth,

It did happen.

I felt those things.

My heart and soul aspired.

And thats something.

By itself.

Its something.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God,
have mercy on me, a sinner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Prayer

This prayer was a revelation to me. Doesn't say much about me knowing my roots and history, but better late than never, right?

Thank you, Valus, for showing it to me.

When you pray, I pray with you.
Even when we are saying different prayers.

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posted November 02, 2009 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
i can i put in words something so deep?

just trust me that i don't fake hearts


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posted November 02, 2009 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Of a truth, All Things are Done Under Law,
And nothing excepting the Law is Done;

Those who fall, fall according to Law,
As those who are Lifted, are lifted by the Law.


Lovely!

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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posted November 02, 2009 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
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The comments that offend me most are directed, not to my choice of subject matter, or even to my approach, but to my character.

I would say that they were mostly directed at your approach, and reitterate that she was clearly drawing a comparison between two types of posts that offend people.

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I dont think its possible to be offended by who somebody is as a person and still be their friend.

Sure it is. I can think of example after example on this one, so I think you just need to reflect a bit on it.

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And since I think my methods have profound value and are appropriate to this venue, I see no contradiction in opposing their censure while censuring PA and her methods.

This venue is a free-for-all. A person can post whatever they want within reason. There is no heirarchy of how threads should be valued. Sure you're welcome to oppose censure of your topics, but so is she, and you both command enough respect to pull off your positions.

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And, anyway, if you know somebody thinks you are ugly, or fat, does that mean you won't get offended when they go around repeating how ugly or fat they think you are? Of course not. It still hurts.

But YOU define YOU. How many times have I been bashed, and my motives questioned around here? Not everyone gets me either. In fact, I would theorize that most people are fairly misunderstood on this planet. It's like there's this imaginary group called Humanity, and we're all outside of it trying to get in, trying to connect, but even though we do connect, we ARE actually part of Humanity from the start. All of humanity is on the outside trying to get in.

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And it really wasnt about me, however much some people wanted to make it about me.

You're right. It wasn't really about you. You just took it that way. [It was about the question of what's offensive around here: threads designed to provoke or harmless threads about whatever.]

I'm just upset over this, because I can see that she enjoys you more than you believe she does. I don't want to watch your pessimism overtake your optimism. That's all. Sometimes you have to empathize and understand where a person is coming from when they seem to attack you.

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posted November 02, 2009 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
But YOU define YOU. How many times have I been bashed, and my motives questioned around here? Not everyone gets me either. In fact, I would theorize that most people are fairly misunderstood on this planet. It's like there's this imaginary group called Humanity, and we're all outside of it trying to get in, trying to connect, but even though we do connect, and we ARE actually part of Humanity from the start. All of humanity is on the outside trying to get in.

that's really beautiful, AG

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posted November 02, 2009 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with shura, AG -- that's a really great observation

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posted November 02, 2009 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I'm sorry, V. Not trying to stress you out. I just thought your reaction was more intense than necessary, and I don't like to see bridge burning between friends (even if I know in the back of my mind it'll probably all work out in the end).

Shura and Zala, thanks. I've been thinking about detachment a lot lately, and I'm pretty sure that we all feel a bit alienated from one another despite our attempts at connecting.

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posted November 03, 2009 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Life can be ambivalent ~ I learned that expression here on LL.

We can all turn a full circle - it's one of the shapes in sacred geometry....

(That sounds so off tangent. that's what happens when I try to sound deep - LOL).

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posted November 03, 2009 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I believe you, pire.
You don't fake hearts.
Neither do I.

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posted November 03, 2009 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Zala agreeing with Shura.

AG Taking off from what you said, I therefore conclude (for myself) that to be accepted by other people is more important than to be understood by them. Working with this and the premise that people will never feel the same way and see things from the same angle, I believe it makes sense that we should "accept" others even if we don't completely understand them or agree with them all the time.

Yin, I think it comes with the territory.

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