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posted December 14, 2009 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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posted December 14, 2009 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
You had a sign...simple as.

My father died in 1983 and I was living in S. Africa at the time and was 7 months pregnant with my daughter so couldn't fly home. I never got to see him but I always felt he was around.
My mother died in 2000 (same date but 17 years apart)and although Dad was cremated, when she was buried I also put his name on the gravestone.
About three times a year I go up for a chat.
Anyway one particular morning (2004) I was all alone in the cemetary and I said to the gravestone as I was tidying around.
"How are you Dad? I don't feel you around much anymore. Are you still with me?

Got in my car, drove home, phone goes.
It's my Dads sister (now deceased). An utterly lovely human being but a bit dotty.
She said
"My buzzer went (sheltered accomodation) but when I went to the door there was no one there but this letter was in the hallway...it's about your Dad...it's a poem or something"
I was like "Hang on Syl, I"ll come down"

I look at this letter. It's all brown and aged. Something about it looks vaguely familiar so I start reading it.

It was a poem I had written to my father decades previously when I had my wisdom teeth out.He was coming to the dentists with me.
It was joky but the last line was something along the lines of
"Dad I know I'm not a baby anymore but I'll always need you with me till the end of time"
And I knew then in that weird convoluted way, that was a clear a message to me, that he would always be there, than if he had materialised in front of me.

I don't know wheels why they have to go all the way round the houses to get a message across but it's the way they do.

Aren't you lucky....and most definitely not mad!

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posted December 14, 2009 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and since writing that poem I had lived for years in two different countries and moved...oh I dunno...30 odd times? Thrown out all my stuff when I went to live in S.Africa, married three times since I wrote it, so where that letter had been all those years.....I will never know.
Who buzzed Sylvias doorbell? Never know that either!

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posted December 14, 2009 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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posted December 14, 2009 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message
I love Bill Hicks too!!!! That's awesome!

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posted December 15, 2009 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
How was Bill Hicks informed? This is a real question, not a rhetorical one, btw. I've heard some of his comedy (and most of it seems in the toilet, though sometimes funny, and once in a blue moon brilliant in talent and/or insight), but I never read one of his books. (Please don't just say "read his books," give me SOMETHING as an example instead. Or is he just not inspiring enough?)

For example, I just looked up what he said about Billy Ray Cyrus, and what I heard was the standard mindless toilet humor of his that he only rarely rose above. So he doesn't like that he has a ponytail and think he should be executed with a "shotgun, like a black **** of death" because of it? Does he actually show that he THINKS in his book, or is it the same mindless fluff as his comedy acts?

Granted, I recall when I moved to a small town in Texas where everyone seemed to listen to a station that seemed to play Achey Brakey Heart once an hour. Having just shot a real pistol for the first time in my life back then, I had daydreams of shooting the radio whenever they played that song. In retrospect, I wonder if I'd have hated that song as much as I did had it not been played to death. But I can understand why some would feel a lot of hostility to him if they felt they had his songs shoved down their throat (and I believe Hicks spent a lot of time in Texas and the South), which Hicks probably did before writing that up.

Still, Weird Al was far more clever than Bill Hicks (and much less pretentious, trashy & egotistic) in mocking him (at least that song anyway, I believe he refrained from direct personal attack).

Ah well, at least Hicks trashing Cyrus wasn't as Beavis & Butt-head bad, like that "scat skit" of Rush Limbaugh that seems popular (now THERE'S something to "pollute the collective unconsciousness," and I say that as someone who can't stand the Limbaugh windbag).

It does make me intensely curious, however, how you can put down Miley Cyrus while promoting Bill Hicks as informed and somehow enlightened? Does his books show another side of him than his acts that show up on YT? Or was his talent strictly one of slinging verbal crap at people, and Miley Cyrus & her dad can't compare because they don't get just as trashy at slinging mindless verbal crap back?

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posted December 15, 2009 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
frickin'heck!!! Those stories are awesome. Wheels - that is soooo weird!!! bunnies - what a tear-maker your story is!!!

I'm off to read about Bill and Guguin !!!!

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posted December 15, 2009 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Got one Wheelsies.

My Taurus Grandpa raised me. In the midst of abnormal chaos, I might add. He gave me my first Astrology book when I was just a little sprout. We were very close.

He always used to tell me, in some weird preparation I guess, that I needed to know that one day he would be gone, and I would have to keep on living without him. Of course, I was a little girl and couldn't conceive of such misery! I would cry, and shout, and demand with all my double firey self that he must stay!!! I needed him.

As I got a little older, I would say, "Pop, when you go...where will you go? and him being the dreamy sort, would gaze at the sky, with his matching colored eyes, and say, "oh, I dunno, I guess I'll go where The Wild Goose goes, and nobody knows."

Sounded a bit flighty (pardon the pun) but he was known to sip Dewars White Label in the garage, on the regular.

So, as a teen, he came to me, and he said, "I've come up with a plan....when I go, I will send you a sign, some proof, that there is something afterwards." Well, I wanted to know EXACTLY what that would be, and he just laughed and shook his head.

But he mentioned it alot, and always asked me if I remembered "our little promise" as he grew older.

So, he died.

I had to drive from Ohio to Florida for the funeral. To be honest, I remember very little of the whole ordeal. I did have a sobbing break down in church, but, nothing out of the ordinary.
I kept waiting for the sign.
I slept in his bed each night while I stayed there. I was looking for his ghost or a dream, something.
By the time we were to set off home, I was quite discouraged.
We left quite early in the morning. It was barely daybreak.
It seemed as though all the bottled emotions from the whole ordeal just exploded out of me in the car. Thank the Lord I was not driving. I mean, I was heaving, and just well you know.

So, all of a sudden the tears just stopped.
I thought, "how odd." usually tears dwindle.
I felt calm.
The first sign was, we passed a "sign" for an exit leading to "Clyde Street." My Pops name was Clyde.

I thought, okay, pretty good, but I had to pass that on this route anyway, can you do better, can you give me something personal, something that I love and relate to?

As we hit Tennessee, it rained, the devil's rain (sunshine while raining) and suddenly over the Great Smokey Mountains appeared a rainbow.
It took my breath away. My bedroom was decorated in rainbows. I loved them so much, my GRANDPA asked me to paint one on his wall in HIS bedroom of my childhood home, and he kept it here, messy as it was, until they moved from that home.

And IF THAT WAS NOT ENOUGH, when I got home, I had a couple voice mails from a friend of mines sister-in-law. We were merely acquaintences, and I could not imagine why she would be calling me so insistantly. So I called her back, and what happened was, she was bartending at this tavern, and all the other employees quit or got fired in one bunch. She was burning the candle at both ends and was in deperate need of help. I said, "Okay, what is the name of the place, and where is it located?"

GET READY FOR THIS ONE

She said, "It's called, The Wild Goose!"

Yeah. Trippy. Will never, ever forget that as long as I shall live. I even wrote a poem about it, but I've taken up enough space!!!!

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posted December 16, 2009 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Gypsee, that story was amazing, thank you hun. Your Grandpa sounds really special. Raising my coffee mug to him.

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posted December 16, 2009 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I am more curious than angry, and mystified that you'd put down the Cyruses (especially Miley) when acting that Hicks was this great guy, or that you'd associate the Cyruses with Bush (heck, I'd personally associate Hicks with Bush first in the "don't give a frag what you think, I'm saying it, and it's gonna be on the smug, superior side" manner of speaking, though I wouldn't immediately link them...just I see more connection between them than Bush & the Cyruses, especiallly as Billy Ray was such a big supporter of Obama). For that matter, Bill Hicks is the one who seemed strongly disrespectful & bitter toward others, and you shared in that by putting down the Cyruses for no reason that I can see, so I'd think you'd be understanding of that anyway. But surely there's at least be more of a reason than Billy Ray had a ponytail and I guess that Miley is his daughter, though I'll just assume now that there is no reason for the antipathy in him or you, it's just there for the heck of it (actually, I can go with my first guess for Bill Hicks hating on Billy Ray, with him hearing Achy Breaky Heart too many times).

But I'll assume your sentiments are feelings only and leave it at that, and keep in mind that you and I define some words differently. I do not intend to disrespect Hicks as you seem to have done the Cyruses, but I am baffled when even Miley Cyrus seems more mature & nicer than him in some ways (and in the ways she's not...well, she has her age to excuse her). But no matter.

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posted December 16, 2009 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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I do not intend to disrespect Hicks

Yes you do. Go back and see what you've written.

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but I'll just assume that there is no reason for the antipathy in him or you

Ok, you just assume that if that's what makes you happy. I could care less.


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posted December 16, 2009 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm, you're right, I could've chosen my words much better. But you should keep in mind that I'm not automatically against trashy & toilet, it can be fun sometimes if done right. I love South Park for example as I think they pull it off well, and I'd definitely call it trashy & toilet (if also brilliant). So it's not exactly meant as an insult when I say it.

I'd ask how you'd define the "put a shotgun in Billy Ray's mouth like a black **** of death" or about women spreading their legs (and more, IIRC) for Billy Ray with profanity or the Rush Limbaugh skat skits and other such fare that seems normal for him as if not toilet & trashy, but I doubt you'd have anything to say. To me that's trashy & toilet, like South Park. Only Hicks rarely ever reached the genius of South Park, IMO.

Though one thing that would make me admire Hicks is if he could turn that hostile wit against himself. Did he? The duo who do South Park made fun of themselves all the time, too, which is another reason I tend to like it (they make fun of EVERYONE, including themselves).

But if it's ok for you to trash Miley & Billy Ray (and him to do the same, especially when all he lists as his reason is Billy Ray's pony tail), then surely it's fair when the tables are turned?

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posted December 16, 2009 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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but I doubt you'd have anything to say

Well thanks for that fresh assumption. I won't bother explaining myself then, since you don't think I have anything to say worth the hearing.

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Though one thing that would make me admire Hicks is if he could turn that hostile wit against himself. Did he?

Did he? You go and find out. I'm not here to defend myself or Bill Hicks against someone who is not in command of even the most basic knowledge of his work.

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posted December 16, 2009 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Great stories!

Last month I was lying in bed. The radio was on. It would've been my mom's birthday that day. I started thinking about how she'd been dead a little over a year. And then I started projecting into the future, about how if I'm around for a while, the times will come when she's been gone for 5 years and 20 years and so on. My grief gets almost unbearable when I think about her absence in that way. I don't ever want the gap between me and her to feel so vast. And I was thinking, time will do that. Even if I hold on to her, time will make the period when we were together distant. So I was thinking to myself how much I hated that, and how I longed to feel her close now and in future "nows," and was angry that time would take that from me. "I want you close," I thought. Right then, the song that had been playing during these thoughts ended, and on came "Little Drummer Boy."

That was my mom's favorite Christmas song. My mom wasn't much for music, more of a politics/history junkie even though she grew up in a family of talented musicians. Even so, every Christmas she'd say, "Put on Little Drummer Boy." It got to be that we'd just play that one first, since we knew she'd request it.

So yeah, I cried some happy tears.

I've had many of these types of experiences. I won't be sharing more of them though because I'm private and also because I can't stand the thought of anyone possibly reading with incredulity about events so meaningful to me. I used to doubt, but I'm a firm believer now in life being bigger than what we know of it most clearly in our material world.

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posted December 16, 2009 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Don't twist my words. You said you weren't interested in replying to me, which is why I assumed you wouldn't.

I've heard plenty of his skits, so yes, I am aware of a lot of what he does. However, I'm not a fan (but neither am I a hater), and I asked you quite honestly for more info. What I was hoping for would've been something like posting a link to this:
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/144990.Bill_Hicks

While I presume this is among the very best he had to offer, these are still very good quotes, and I'd have been happy with a few of these. Some of them are even funny.

He seems to be more someone who saw himself as an outsider and was used to being the one who was targeted for the verbal poo by the masses (as it is a common hobby as these instincts are still rampant in our species--witness their ultimate manifestations in wars, inquisitions, witch hunts, and legal oppressions), and this has caused him to become somewhat defiant, somewhat expecting to be trashed again, and in doing this, he flings it back as good as he gets (but also as good as he EXPECTS to get whether or not that's true).

This still doesn't explain why he hated on Billy Ray, but it could very well be he was a popular country singer and therefore he seemed part of THEM, the World, that tried stomping his spirit, and so became a symbol of it (and thus lashing out at him with the rest of the world).

His hating on Rush Limbaugh makes a lot more sense (because Rush is openly against many of the things he stands for), though his literal toilet humor (I assume, you being a big fan, that you're aware of his comedy act of Rush, scat & sex, and other Republicans involved, including Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan IIRC) regarding him strikes me as pointless, which is one reason I suspected he was tribal at first (which wouldn't be appealing unless you were part of the same tribe--or were named Beavis & Butt-head).

I believe at least some people admire this take on the world/establishment attitude, and his saying what many don't have the guts to say (that so many things taken for granted is a sham). Others, OTOH, would appreciate his bitter sarcasm because it invites drama. And others still because they (correctly or not) identify him as part of their tribe and he throws clever verbal poo, even if it's disgusting (but then, that's the point) at what they perceive to be an enemy tribe with more cleverness than they themselves could.

I suspect you're the last one. This would help explain your unreasoning contempt (or worse) of the Cyruses. I imagine in your mind, they're rednecks, therefore they're right wing, Christian, racists, and/or xenophobes. This would mean you'd love Bill Hicks comedy about hunting down Billy Ray and putting a shotgun in his mouth like a "black **** " and blowing his head off (this would represent a lower class gaining victory over what you'd think of as a racist, redneck culture), and would then transfer that same hate (laughing at someone getting their head blown off does strike me as hate) to Miley, who is still a kid (she just had a b-day to, btw, turning 17). Never mind that Billy Ray is a big supporter of Obama and Miley, despite her openly being Christian, has come out in favor of the legalization of gay marriage. If they're rednecks to you, and that means something bad--of some other tribe--then Bill Hicks rant about Billy Ray would fill you with pleasure, and it would stick in memory. This would also explain why you weren't able to explain it, because you're not lucid or self-aware enough, it is purely instinctual, but also passionate.

'Course if you were able to articulate your thoughts, I'd be open to a different interpretation. But for now that's really all I can think of. And given how rampant such tribalism is in our species (and will probably destroy us as a species as technology increases), it does strike me as a good guess, especially with all other things considered.

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posted December 17, 2009 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
You done? Good.

I don't have to explain myself or my taste in comedy to you Dervish. I do however find the Billy Ray Cyrus thing ******* hilarious, because it was a JOKE. Told by a COMEDIAN. They are JOKES!!!!!!!!!!!!

You may not find them funny. As I said before, each to their own.

And as I said before you are missing the all-important context because you haven't even bothered to find out ANYTHING about his work before you start yapping at me. Beyond one google search. Well obviously that's not enough. Your posts were full of assumptions. Not my problem. You don't like Bill Hicks from what you've heard? Not my problem. I want to respond to people's questions if they have not already made up their minds about something before they ask the question. You clearly did. Not my problem.

Other comedians say they want to kill their mother-in-laws. They don't necessarily mean it.

You might want to have a think about how literally you're taking COMEDY before you kick off on someone in what was actually a really nice thread celebrating someone's life. The clue was in the word COMEDIAN. Yeah? You have an attitude problem and you were judging and putting me down and Bill Hicks down before I even got a chance to respond. So for that I wave bye bye to you and any further discussion. No loss. Jeez, lighten up would you?

He also wanted to hunt and kill Michael Bolton. That I would go for, because that bubble perm was criminal.

I take it from your love of South Park that you find the killing of Kenny in every episode really funny. So what's your problem with this? You make absolutely no sense, so kindly leave me alone.

Bill Hicks has nothing in common with Bush. The latter is a child-murdering lying b@stard and the former was most definitely not. He was no saint though, that's for sure, that made him beautiful in my eyes.

As for Billy Ray and his ilk - that was all about people selling their souls for dollars and passing it off as culture, and selling plastic crap to children to make a fast buck. Do a google search on Hannah Montana why don't you? Is this good for the world? This focus on mindless celebrity? shoving your kids in front of the goggle box? I have seen kids ruined by this.

You want your kids partaking in this rubbish when they could be out planting trees and exploring more mindful subject matters?

The government of the United States is actively complicit in this because they want to stop the average American citizen looking too closely at stuff like the killing of innocent women and children at Waco and how this was not documented in the mainstream media, the Kennedy assassination and Bush hoovering up 6,000 Iraqis and burying them in mass graves. "Go back to bed America, your Government is in control".

The Government who supports shoving the mindless crap that people like Billy Ray spews out into the faces of people to keep them quiet and unquestioning, and calling it "culture". Have a beer and a taco, get fat and stupid.

You might want to look up the flip side of this - how the television companies censored Bill Hicks, those television companies who are funded by people who serve in the Government, because they were scared of what he had to say. Follow the money. Then you'll see who's really pulling the strings. It was all about censorship and free speech, that was the message. You missed it. Look harder. Billy Ray was a symbol of all of this. And he delivered his message through picking out just one of the numberless celebrity faces there are out there and making a joke out of it. A joke with a very SERIOUS message.

So yeah, Dervish, I happen to feel a bit strongly about this, and I enjoy listening to a social critic who was the undisputed master of his craft. He could have done all this without the comedy, but that was his vehicle. Don't be fooled that it isn't genuine though. Comparisons to Lenny Bruce were not unfounded. So if you want to dismiss all this as "toilet humour" and "mindless fluff" that's your bag, you are missing the point. I suggest, I really do, that you explore what Bill Hicks had to offer because you could learn something valuable. His mission was to shock people into thinking about stuff.

You should look up Bill's skit on identifying himself most with Saddam Hussein. How both he and Saddam wanted to kick George Bush's head down the street like a football. Oh, and the bit where he said he'll laugh like a jackal if Los Angeles and all its inhabitants just sunk into the Pacific. You don't happen to live there do you? That'll give you a sleepless night or an embolism or something, judging by your track-record of taking offence at jokes.

Hey Bill ^^ what do make of all of this? Funny huh?!

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posted December 17, 2009 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Jane, thank you

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posted December 17, 2009 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Only read first posts....what a beautiful thread....brought tears to my eyes....thank you so much for sharing your experiences wheelsofcheese and bunnies.

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posted December 17, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Great stories! Touching!

Lovely ladies you all are!!

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posted December 17, 2009 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
got one.

when i was 13 i was laying in bed one night and my grandmother started talking to me. it wasn't audible, but i could hear it if that makes any sense. she talked for a VERY long time to me, telling me that she was going to die the next day and that she'd always be with me. it was all very soothing and wonderful. she was an amazingly loving, wise strong, humble, kind woman. hilarious too. the greatest person i've ever known. i bawled my eyes out but also felt really happy that this had happened, for what she'd said to me, and how it all felt.

the next day i was walking back to school from a play we'd all watched at the highschool nearby. i decided i wanted to walk by myself.. and while i was walking this image suddenly came into my mind of me going home after school, my mom coming to me at the door and telling me that she had died. well that is exactly what happened.

i felt her with me for years and i still do occasionally.

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posted December 17, 2009 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
p.s. thanks for introducing me to bill hicks.

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posted December 18, 2009 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Jane;

I totally respect your privacy, but I just wanted you to know that you would not be judged here, or your experiences deemed "incredulous."

When someone shares a "seemingly" incredulous story, that just opens the doors for the rest of the people who were too scared to speak up, to feel comfortable enough to tell their stories, and so in effect, your grief is helping another, which I think, is maybe why we have some of these experiences. To heal ourselves, and others.

And anyway, look how different each story is, how personal. You can't make this stuff up. I mean, you could, but who would do that??? The stories just flow out with the ring of truth, and so thank you for sharing.

Woah, great story. I have death premontion dreams as well (I guess they would be classified as dreams) I do not like them, because they end up happening except in ONE case, where my Grandfather-in-law did die on the table, but was revived. So, I think maybe we see the probability, but not always the inevitable. At least that is my take on it.

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ooh gypsee, i don't think i'd like that either. the weird thing about mine was that i was fully awake, and we 'talked' for at least an hour. i just completely sensed and felt her as though she was in the room with me, which is bizarre cuz she wasn't dead at that point. maybe she was starting to slip away and her spirit could travel in such a manner? still blows me away just how strongly i felt and heard her. i think if that kind of thing happened to me as an adult i'd likely dismiss it and just assume i was imagining things. i guess my 'nonsense'-filters were still off being i was pretty young.

jane! i agree with gypsee, post your weird stuff! you're one of the sanest people i've come across, and no doubt you'd lend some credulousness (okay i'm exaggerating; let's go with credibility) to these experiences by sharing! i've had a lot of wild stuff happen to me as well but i'm definitely too shy to post them, and questionably sane at best.

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Oh Jane,

I actually cried a little hearing your story. That is so heartbreaking.

In a (distant) way I can relate, cause my mom`s mother died, when my mom was 17 years old, and I know she feels the same way as you just described.
Actually it is just now that she has started to really talking about her mother a bit more (usually she would only say that I was looking a lot like her mother) and allowing herself to actually consciously feel that sadness.

And I totally believe in communication and perceptions that are somehow "out of this world".
As a matter of fact I pretty often find myself talking to someone who is not even there. Sometimes just throwing questions or remarks up into the air, and sometimes it feels like someone is talking back to me.

Could it be just my imagination? Yes, of course, it could.
But usually I am getting some good insights, or at least a good laugh.
Maybe I am just talking to my own subconsciouesness or something like that.
And sometimes I am even surprised about the answers I am getting.

And yes, I know, I am weird.

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