posted December 23, 2009 02:36 AM         

I realized today, after reading someone else's post, that the movie "The Matrix" is fundamentally about one's spiritual awakening and evolution of the soul. Neo represents the human potential lying dormant in us all waiting to be discovered. the "Real World" is actually, not the material world, but the spiritual world of design and eternal things that are immaterial. Every material thing begins as an immaterial idea or thought which acts as the design.

In order to free our souls from bondage we must find ways to overcome the material world and it's value system. We must both ignore and reject the illusions and pursuits of fantasy in favor of the truth.

It was actually a post by DiandraReborn25 that inspired this thought about the Matrix and how relevant it is in a practical sense. This is what she said _

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It is exactly that...it is part of the Matrix ..all that happens really. You can choose to see it like Neo,and ask yourself if you want to take the blue pill or the red pill. Once you choose to enter, you're discovering of your spirituality ( it is infact what is REAL),then you can never go back.
It is a complex thing to explain, but all the people that enter your life, it was You who asked for it ( subconsciously). Even your actual lover, it was you who attracted it.
Just ask yourself this:

• Who was I when I met her?
• Where was I on my life's road?
• What did I need?...

If you ask important questions like these, you'll find the answer.
The asteroids and astrology will only confirm what you already know.

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posted December 23, 2009 07:48 AM         

i feel flatered ( although i shouldnt hihihi cause it is Ego talking)

i went through my email cause since some time now that i talk with a very special soul who is onto that spiritual awakening too.

he talked to me about a book called Matrix 5 by Leading Edge Research and Val Valerian.

Here is a small part of what it concerns the...Matrix.

Playing the Game

What is your role in the game? How well do you play the game? How much do you know about the game? Do you know the rules of the game? Do you know who the other game players are? Are you even aware that you are a "game player"?

We are all playing a game. A game designed to help us learn and grow, but mostly to enable the abilty to "experience" or believe we are experiencing certain realities, which, actually are all constructs independent of reality.

As spirits, and spiritual selves, we are immortal, but as incarnated "humans" we are not. Have you ever dreamed, and woke up to believe for a moment, that possibly, the dream was reality, and now in, the waking state, you are dreaming?

How seriously do you take your life? Are you afraid to die? Do you believe death is the end?

Do you believe in extra-terrestrials? If so, have you ever truly asked yourself ....why not?

Is your ego so big that so believe your genetic species, is the height of intelligence and spirituality in the universe?

Regardless of what you believe, KNOW, that there are those around you, who do believe, that death is simply a transition point, and the beginning of a new life somewhere else, or in another time period.

Our bodies are just "suits", we occupy temporarily, in order to experience the limited reality in 3rd density.

We have this existence, that exists in 3rd density, and we also exist in higher densities that our physical bodies cannot access directly or understand completely.

In this 3rd density existence, we believe we ARE our bodies. This is the purpose of our existence in 3rd density. To believe we are our bodies, so that we will "take everything seriously", and believe in everything we are doing as if "our lives depend on it".

In the higher densities, like 4th and 5th, beyond the astral, or ether field, resides the ultimate complexity of our "higher selves". This "essence" is a compilation of all our learning experiences made up of ALL of our lifetimes in a multitude of time periods.

In the higher densities, there are many "higher selves". As you progress downwards, spiriling down into 3rd density, the physical "selves" take on many different characteristics. Some are incarnated here on Earth as Humans. Some are incarnated here as on earth, as "aliens", physically born on other worlds, but residing here on Earth. Some are incarnated on other worlds as aliens, and some are incarnated on other worlds, appearing similar to "humans".

Currently, on this world, on Earth, there are all kinds of incarnations of spirits, both "human" and "alien".

The Earth, beyond the physical, also has a spiritual "higher self". There is also the astral level around the Earth, and in the space the Earth occupies physically, there is astral or etheric space, where there is no "physical" or 3rd density Earth.

ARE YOU INTERESTED IN CONSPIRACIES ? THIS IS THE ULTIMATE CONSPIRACY ! THIS IS THE CONSPIRACY OF YOURSELF CONSPIRING AGAINST YOURSELF !!!

Why? In order for you to learn!

I have said before, in my writings, that we come here with blinders on, so that we could learn what we already know, but in order to have the full experience of it. If we knew everything, life would be no fun on Earth, because there would be nothing to learn, because we would already know everything. The only way you can learn, is from the experience of being there and observing or actually participating.

Once again, I will ask you....What is your role in the game? How well do you play the game? Do you know the rules of the game? Do you know who the other game players are?

Conspiracy theorists will either LOVE this, or HATE this, because it doesn't fit into their current paradigm or, maybe....they aren't suppose to know this, because they are "not allowed to" by their higher self, due to the knowledge being a a direct interference to their "chosen path".

The reason people are where they are in life, is because they chose to be there, and it's part of their path. A path is chosen with most parameters in place, well before the path is taken. The path is what we choose to experience for OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL purposes, and growth. It does not belong to anyone else, and it's not the same as anyone else. It's an individual path.

There are many races, and examples exist in nature very frequently, like bee hives for instance, that survive on the basis of "group" growth. The United Nations and New World Order is all about this path. The group is the model for the "state". The state serves a purpose, but it's purpose is to serve the individual.

Alien races evolve on a path currently designated as "sequential". This means that each member of the race evolves only as fast as the race itself evolves. There is no indivudualism, or room for it.

Humans evolve on a path currently designated as "simultaneous". This means each spirit evolves indivudually, in a multitude of timeframes, and personages, all at the same time, in one instance. (Time is timeless).

In other words, Reptilians, have evolved as a race, over millions of years, have dominated and controlled races on other planets, and now humans on Earth, but are they spiritually evolved? Of course not.

Humans have only been around a short period of time, yet we don't go around controlling races and attempting to dominating the universe. Controlling others is not a spiritual concept. All reptilians control humans, but not all humans control others. Only the ones working for the reptilians, whether conscious of it or not.

As humans are evolving, we experience 2 different kinds of paths. A lightside path, and a darkside path. These two paths are the polarities. Ying/Yang, Light/Dark, Good/Bad -- The interesting thing about these two paths, is that no mattre which one you are on, you believe you are on the right one. Both are necessary for experience and completion of the game. Ultimate synthesis of duality, and the emergence of "balance". Without the ability to experience these two polarities directly, we cannot know what makes up the universe, and likewise, reality.

posted December 23, 2009 07:53 AM         

your thread inspired me to something...

What,in our CHARTS,can show the moment when we start our SPIRITUAL AWAKENING?

Cause...we know that some of us chose to do so,in some moments of our life and...is it something that happens,after a trauma,or a deep traumatic event ocuring in our lifes?

That,due to the profound hurt,makes us infact,to let go and be free?it is something that Eckart TAlks...that some souls,by losing someone important,instead of drown in their own sorrow and mourning,they actually AWAKE?
THey discover themselves.Cause they dettatch,and by doing so,their Ego is no longer the commander of the ship.Meaning that what starts awakening is their own Soul.Free finally from the chains of the material world.

So

Can this awakening be showned in our charts?

Is it related to asteroids like Aura,Alma,Spirit? Or Psyche,Absolus,Telephus,Hypnos?

posted December 23, 2009 07:54 AM         

There are many energies testing you which is why staying in the now is vital to keeping truth.

posted December 23, 2009 12:08 PM         

that is it:living in the Now is the way to widraw power from the Ego

VIG

REALLy?
it is true then cause ive always felt i was very conected to you.Like..in a way you understand me,and know me.does this sound strange?hihih

weve never looked into our charts together did we?

posted December 23, 2009 12:48 PM         

July 18, 1958
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posted December 23, 2009 01:07 PM         

My Jup/Uranus cj you asc
My Ceres cj your kiron
My Kiron/Anna cj your dsc
my NODE CJ YOUR VENUS this is lovely
My MC wide cj your karma
My Union cj your Sun
My Mars/Valentine/Karma/Nesus cj your Anna/Uranus
My VENUS cj your PLUTO/Ceres wow!
My Sun cj your Valentine ..hence the warmth and love!
My Pluto/saturn/DNA cj your Node/Jup/Uranus

what do you think VIG?yOU RE MUCh more expertise than me hihihi

i will see the dracos.

posted December 24, 2009 06:50 AM         

well yesterday i thought about,what in the charts.could show our "spiritual awakening"?

So i used these asteroids:

veritas
pallas
psyche
telephus
Hypnos
karma
alma
spirit
aura
veritas
celestia
angel

And ElectricMind kindly said to me that next year will be a strong year on what it concerns Growth,spirituality,evolving,philosophy,finding the balance between praticality vs Divine Search.

So...currently the transits are:

Tr Karma/Hypnos cj my 3rdH uRANUS
Tr Aura/Venus cjmy 3rdH Neptune
Tr Pluto approaching my IC 3º
Tr Angel cj Pallas!
Tr CELESTIA exact cj SPIRIT!!! FREAKY!
Tr Telephus cj Vertex
Tr sATURN cj ASC

so my transits are very telling indeed!Sudden changes on what concerns karma;my aura and venus are conected with the planet of dreams,illusion,spirituality;intuitve knowledge is conected with asteroid Angel;and i loved the celestina cj my spirit...

what you for those who are on this same path?

posted December 31, 2009 01:09 PM         

In the movie, Matrix was a computerized dreamworld. Morpheus and Trinity were able to do certain things because they knew that the Matrix wasn't the external world but the internal. They tried to get Neo to understand that. After Morpheus was taken captive, he starting to realize what the Matrix was about. Of course, it took his death and resurrection to come to the full realization as a being who total control over the Matrix. In the dream world, the laws of physics don't apply. That's why he was able to fly and do other things that Morpheus and Trinity couldn't do.

a lot of the film borrowed themes from a variety of religions.

It could even be criticized as being New Age just like Star Wars.

but yeah , there was a strong lucid dreaming theme.

I love lucid dreams,and I fly a lot in them.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
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posted January 01, 2010 05:41 PM         

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The movie, Matrix seemed about lucid dreaming.

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You are total right about this Glaucus. That is definitely the primary theme of the movie. In the "Dream World" Neo could learn to do anything as he was not bound by any physical laws, but In the "Real World" he was and so his ability was limited by those laws.

posted January 01, 2010 06:19 PM         

But as Grant Morrison had one of his heroes say, "The most pernicious image...is the anarchist-hero figure. A creation of commodity culture, he allows us to buy into an inauthentic simulation of revolutionary praxis...the hero encourages passive spectating and revolt becomes another product to be consumed."

Sounds like he was talking about Neo.

Hey, I have nothing against The Matrix, and we can take all kinds of meaning & inspiration from it (heck, it was part inspiration for a story from me that would get me expelled from high school and change my life for the better), I'm just saying.

posted January 01, 2010 06:36 PM         

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The Matrix (just the first movie) is The Invisibles by Grant Morrison simplified enough to be palatable as pop culture.

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I had always been told that The Matrix (just the first movie) was part of a larger story called "The Third Eye" penned by Sophia Stewart. This story is also said to be the source for the movie The Terminator.

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And, oh, did it ever become pop culture, affecting not only later movies & shows, but everything from fashion to endless quoting.

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Don't be a WISE-ASS! You know what I meant before. I getting really sick of this B.S.!

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Sounds like he was talking about Neo.

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Not to me.

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Hey, I have nothing against The Matrix,

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Of course you do! Why else would you feel the need to say you didn't?

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But if someone really likes The Matrix, I'd strongly recommend reading Grant Morrison's The Invisibles next, though the difference between them is like the difference between kindergarten and college.

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posted January 01, 2010 06:57 PM         

I think that you were unnecessarily hard on Dervish. She was just pointing out things that she observed. She tends to have some great insights.

I don't believe that she was being a smartass.

I also respect you as a person that has great insights.

also...I haven't seen you before.
so I want to welcome you to the forum.

I admit. I mistakenly thought you were Valus until you mentioned that you have no water in your chart. You have a similar style in your communications like him. He's a man with great insights,but can be controversial which isn't necessarily a bad thing. That's just my opinion. I think that he's cool too.

Take care

Happy New Year

peace

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 01, 2010 06:58 PM         

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dervish, can u explain more the idea of the "pernicious anti-hero" to me please?

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I'd say that he meant that the anti-hero in a movie who stands up to a corrupt & soul crushing society (much as Neo did in The Matrix) causes people who watch to not only support (such as buying tickets, thus handing over your money/life force spent in this world) the forces that serve as the actual soul crushing society (in this case the corporations behind it that are also behind government and exploit religion--or what some others would call "pop culture"), but that they have lived the mental & social revolt vicariously through the fictional character & story, instead of exercising it on their own, and this becomes pernicious, or deadly to the spirit of resistance/revolt (mentally and/or socially).

Also, that too many people take the attitude that if things get too bad, some movie hero (Neo as just one of many examples) will come to save us all so that we wait vainly for a savior instead of doing what needs to be doing ourselves, thus killing progress or revolution or whatever you want to call it.

posted January 01, 2010 06:58 PM         

Now why don't you go CRY about it!

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Also, that too many people take the attitude that if things get too bad, some movie hero (Neo as just one of many examples) will come to save us all so that we wait vainly for a savior instead of doing what needs to be doing ourselves, thus killing progress or revolution or whatever you want to call it.

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