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Yin
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posted February 16, 2010 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
You may not find this as fascinating as I did. It is my dream to one day move to a farm, have a big garden and live a sustainable life. I wonder how many of you here share that ideal. I know juniperb is living it. I remember harpyr was doing something similar... Who else?
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Florida family gives up on small-town North Dakota
By JAMES MacPHERSON, Associated Press Writer Mon Feb 15, 7:55 pm ET

HAZELTON, N.D. – A tiny North Dakota town's promise of cash and free land lured only one family from out of state. Now, Michael and Jeanette Tristani and their 12-year-old twins are trying to move from the town without a traffic light back to Miami.

Tired of crime, traffic, hurricanes and the high cost of living in Florida, the Tristanis moved four years ago to Hazelton, a dwindling town of about 240 that has attempted to attract young families to stay on the map.

Michael Tristani, 42, said at the time the 1,800-mile move was "an answer to our prayers."

"We don't have to look over our shoulder to see who's going to rob us, or jump out of the bushes to attack us," Tristani said. "Taxes are low, the cost of living is low and the kids enjoy school."

But the family also found a cliquey community that treated them like outsiders. "For my wife, it's been a culture shock," he said.

Rural communities across the Great Plains, fighting a decades-long population decline, are trying a variety of ways to attract outsiders. But the Tristanis show how the efforts can fail even at a time when many people are desperate.

"It's been quite an experience, 50-50 at best," Tristani said. "It hasn't been easy. No one really wants new people here."

The Hazelton Development Corp., formed by a determined group of citizens, began running ads in 2005 offering families up to two free lots and up to $20,000 toward home purchases. Businesses were offered free lots and up to $50,000 for setting up shop in the town.

Besides cash and free land, Hazelton had little else to offer except elbow room. Surrounded by flat farm land and livestock, the century-old town boasts three churches, a bank, a grain elevator and a bar.

Like many small towns across rural America, the once thriving farming community began shrinking as residents moved on or passed away.

Tom Weiser, one of the city leaders behind the project to lure new residents, said Hazelton had hundreds of inquiries from around the world when the community's proposal made headlines across the country. Several families from other states visited the town but only the Tristanis made the commitment to move.

"Not everybody fits in in a small town," said Weiser, who works as a baker at Wal-Mart in Bismarck, about 45 miles away.

Hay bales, a gas station and a graveyard greet visitors as they roll into Hazelton off the state highway.

Michael Tristani came from his native Florida wearing gold necklaces and a Rolex and driving a Lexus. He proved as foreign as a flamingo in a place where pickups, farm caps and flannel shirts are de rigueur.

"People thought I was a drug dealer," he said.

Tristani said he was prepared for Hazelton's bitter winters — when wind chills can reach 50-degrees below zero and snow drifts are measured in feet — but not the small-town drama.

"People prejudge you without getting to know you," Jeanette Tristani said.

The couple bought a house built by students at an American Indian college in Bismarck. The home was moved to town and put on two lots donated by the city. The Tristanis bought a third lot and were later given $15,000.

Tristani, a former grocery worker, and his wife, a former real estate agent, opened a bistro and coffee shop. But within weeks of moving to the city, the couple petitioned for a restraining order against the owners of another coffee shop. The Tristanis allege one of the owners drove by their house yelling obscenities and threatened to damage the family's new home.

"He appears to be out of control," The Tristanis wrote in court papers. "At times, it's difficult to understand the rest of the words he's using on my family due to his uproar."

Both businesses are now shuttered.

After his bistro failed, Michael Tristani said he began buying old houses in Bismarck, fixing them up and reselling them to earn money. Jeanette, 44, lost her job last year at a call center in nearby Linton when the business failed.

The Tristanis say the family enjoys spending time together and has little to do with the locals. They relish trips to a Wal-Mart in Bismarck.

The couple's home in Hazelton has been on the market since August, though the for-sale sign has been covered with snow for weeks.

School Superintendent Brandt Dick said losing the Tristani twins, a boy and a girl in the seventh grade, would be a blow to the shrinking enrollment.

Dick said there are 72 students enrolled at the local high school, and that the number is expected to fall to 31 in four years.

"We are declining in numbers and will continue to decline unless something changes," he said.

Bev Voller, a member of the nonprofit development group, said the incentives were funded largely through private money, much of it from "an anonymous donor."

But, she says, "the cash thing is over now."

Kim Preston, a spokeswoman for the rural advocacy group Center for Rural Affairs, based in Lyons, Neb., said the offer of free land to lure new residents to wilting towns is a phenomenon that started in the past decade.

But the small communities that have had success are near larger communities, she said.

"For it to work, it needs to be no more than a 30-minute commute," she said.

It's a 45-minute drive from Hazelton to Bismarck — in good weather. And the weather is often bad.

Jeanette said the main reason she wants to move back to the Miami area is to care for her elderly parents. Michael said he couldn't convince his wife's parents to join them in Hazelton.
"The cold weather has them freaked," he said.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100216/ap_on_re_us/us_saving_hazelton

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ghanima81
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posted February 16, 2010 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
That's really too bad it didn't work out for them. It's sad for the community that is obviously struggling and sad for them. Weird that a community that is in desperate need of citizens would run them out of town though, what a waste of the money to get them there in the first place. Can't say I would ever move to ND, I can't handle that kind of weather, I already live in Maine which is cold enough for me.

I'm with you to a degree, Yin. I am fortunate to have moved to a community where bartering, trading and co-op food sources are available to me. We do what we can and I look forward to helping out with the neighborhood garden when the weather warms up!

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posted February 16, 2010 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
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I am fortunate to have moved to a community where bartering, trading and co-op food sources are available to me.

That's awesome, ghani.

I would love to live like that but not in Maine. Your growing season is even shorter than the one in MA. I can deal with the cold somewhat but not with the gray. Right now I'm thinking PA - it has the NE attitude that I like and lots of farms

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posted February 16, 2010 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
And it's a much shorter drive to my house. Great choice.

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posted February 16, 2010 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting.

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ghanima81
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posted February 16, 2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
I hear ya... It would probably be ideal in California or the mid/south east coast, growing season and whatnot.

I commend those that get out there and tend farms in NE in the winter, shovelling, taking care of livestock, etc. Even nowadays, we are spoiled what with heated barns and enclosed tractors. Imagine what it was like back in the day? No wonder so many people died off during winter!

It's weird because so many of our advancements have been to preserve our lives and make things easier (farming as an example) but in creating these, did we screw ourselves by eliminating a form of population control? Just a weird thougth I just had... Guess I'm kinda morbid today..

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posted February 16, 2010 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
LOL!
People used to have a lot more kids back then just to help on the farm.
I'm a fan of living childless by choice which doesn't mean I don't respect people who've chosen otherwise.

It's a new era. We are past the agrarian and industrial revolutions so maybe it's time we took the best out of them and ran with it.
It seems that small organic farming is the way to go. Supporting local farms by buying shares is better than purchasing imported produce at a supermarket. It's ideal if you don't have the time, the know-how or the conditions to grow your own food.
http://www.localharvest.org/


ETA. I know a lot of people believe that kind food to be more expensive. It's not. It's a matter of prioritizing.

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posted February 16, 2010 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
Yup! That's what our co-op is about. And it's a good chance for the mama's to get together once a month and talk. We meet, have tea, everyone brings some food or whatever, and we order our grains, veggies, fruits, eggs, etc. from organic farms. We also trade goods if we need them. Like, one girl makes her own honey and soaps/body scrubs, etc. and others make sweaters, clothes, I make jewlery and baked gluten free foods. We trade and it works for everyone.

I honestly feel very lucky to have this kind of community at my fingertips, I know it's not something that everyone has or can even find where they live. Fortunately, I have known these people since I was a kid and they have sort of cultivated a modern day way to make less of an impact environmentally.

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posted February 16, 2010 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
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posted February 16, 2010 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
ghani, you are very lucky to be able to live that way. Especially lucky, because those are already established relationships you have.

I have been researching community farms and farming communities and stumbled upon this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farm_(Tennessee)
It just so happens to be the founder's birthday today.

This is an example of a farm community that I want nothing to do with mainly because of their beliefs on birth-control and group marriages.
I hope this is not the destiny of all artificially created farm communities.

Valus,

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posted February 16, 2010 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, wow, lookie what I just found. All about growing stuff

Grow Onions From Discarded Onion Bottoms

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posted February 16, 2010 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
I dream of that sort of thing to, or of living in a eco-village.

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posted February 16, 2010 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
LTT, wasn't there an eco-village recently built in Italy?
http://www.ecovillage.org/

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posted February 16, 2010 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
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I hope this is not the destiny of all artificially created farm communities

It's not. Endless variations exist. You can find plenty in the USA alone through the Communities Directory:
http://directory.ic.org/

I've thought of starting one myself one day in which the elderly could make their own homes with cob as a cheap alternative to some old folks home, and where they could spend their last days by the beach contemplating life or just enjoying the scenery. I want to make it as self-sufficient as possible, including in producing its own power and selling excess to the power companies. I was pretty much going to put my granny in charge of it, and I know she's pretty easy going, basically wanting to keep the trouble makers out rather than being some control freak. Though I'm not certain how problems like certain problem pets (especially those that kill other pets), bringing in grandkids or other relatives, and the like would be handled.

My point was just to show how you didn't have to take a mortgage to have a good home or even to have your own power, as well as give granny a good alternative to the place she'll probably go to if she doesn't die fast enough once disabled (she said she'd resist being taken to that place with a shotgun if she had to, and there have been suicides by those about to be placed there). Eventually I'd retire there, too.

Though until then I was going to live aways a bit just to have my space since I'm sure enough older people wouldn't take to me too well. I've met too many elderly who are at least as bad as middle school girls for endless judgmental gossip, exclusion, and harassment.

But I'm starting to think that's not going to happen now.

But anyway, all kinds of farms out there. Some focus on the gay lifestyle, some pagan, some are into meat while others vegan, some libertarian some socialist, and so on. In all likelihood, if you can imagine it, I'm sure it exists out there somewhere (including murderous cults, but they wouldn't advertise...at least I hope not...)

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posted February 17, 2010 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting, Dervish. I will explore the link and get back to this later.

A cob building:


http://www.greenpeople.org/ http://www.idealist.org/ http://www.veghaven.org/

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posted February 18, 2010 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
I wonder if we can make a LL community farm somewhere? That'll be cool. Will we get along? LOL.

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posted February 18, 2010 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
ROFL, Yin! Hope springs eternal. I think if people had a common goal, they may not disagree as much. Too busy planting, reaping and working for the community.

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posted February 18, 2010 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Did you just call a Saggie with Aqua rising an eternal optimist? (Neptune exactly on my Sun)

I think that we will get along in a community like that. See how we keep coming back to LL? We already have something in common.

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posted February 18, 2010 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.findhorn.org/index.php?tz=300
http://www.siriuscommunity.org/

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posted February 18, 2010 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
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posted February 18, 2010 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
isn't she beautiful

her soul shining

again

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posted February 18, 2010 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
mars in leo
in the 6th

trining that sun/neptune

she does the things
we dream about

she has good reason
for that optimism

and as long as i have her
i do too.

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posted February 18, 2010 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Awwww.

But, but, I'm right though. We are drawn to this place. Maybe we won't be this attached to each other in real life although that has proven to not be true for me, sooo... Who knows?

Valus, you just made my heart skip a beat. I feel very blessed with you.

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posted February 22, 2010 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
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My point was just to show how you didn't have to take a mortgage to have a good home or even to have your own power, as well as give granny a good alternative to the place she'll probably go to if she doesn't die fast enough once disabled (she said she'd resist being taken to that place with a shotgun if she had to, and there have been suicides by those about to be placed there). Eventually I'd retire there, too.

Dervish, I really like your idea.
How would you go about acquiring land to build those houses?
How would you build those houses? Don't you need special skills? Do you expect to attract people who already have those skills and how are you going to do that?
Same goes for the other parts of creating sustainable living.
Why would you create your own community rather than joining an existing one?
These are questions that I ask myself as well. You seem to have thought long and hard on the subject and I would love to hear your thoughts.

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