posted March 03, 2010 12:22 AM         

Ok, same as you, pretty much everything.

Here is what I tell my children..

You may not like your teacher, or her rules, you may think they are stupid, and they may be stupid, but you WILL show respect, and that is one area where I am pretty stict. I can't stand disrespectful, bratty, spoiled children.

My children are spoiled, but not by having too much or getting their way, but by me over-adoring them too much. They say you cannot love your child enough, but, IDK, I am a BIT much.

Once when my oldest was in middle school, she put some of that temporary color in her hair. It was orange. When she went to school, the principal told her to wash it out, in the restroom. She said, "I can't, the bottle says it comes out in 6-10 washings!" To which, he replied, "well, then stay in the restroom until you've washed your hair 6-10 times!"

She couldn't do it, and she got so upset she cried until she threw up, which then the school nurse called me. When I got there, I was told the situation, and I was so (expletive) mad!
I went into his office and asked him what the problem was, and he said, "well, it's a distraction, that is why we don't allow it."

I said, "I've just passed one boy with a mowhawk, and two girls with nose peircings, and THAT isn't distracting???"

So, that night, I put blue in her hair. Then next week, I put purple in it. I mean, if you are going to have rules, they better make sense, and they better apply to everyone, or I will NOT follow them.

posted March 03, 2010 01:22 AM         

Overall, I weigh individuals and decide how much rules they need. Some people (all ages) need a lot supervision, rules, structure, clear authority, and firmness. Others are very low maintenance and can be counted on to do right and do better if you just leave them alone (or encourage them lightly). And overall I find that with children the vast majority of them are easy to handle, eager to please, and my rules are few. I think that matches with my Libra sun sign, as well as my strong Sag influences.

posted March 03, 2010 02:07 AM         

An example she gave me was when Zack once ran into a wall and fell down, shrieked rage, got up and ran into it again even harder as he was furious at the wall for hurting him (he's an Aries, too). She had to stop him from doing that, and later to keep him from running into traffic, and harming himself in all kinds of other ways because he would just never learn and was so defiant.

She said I ran into a wall once but when I fell I cried softly instead of sobbing like many my age. Even back then she said she could see wheels turning in my eyes as I was constantly figuring things out (she said that even scared her a little because she never knew what I was thinking of doing & could be unpredictable). She believes I learned a lot then, and not only was I careful not to run into hard objects but I even knew to avoid traffic.

For the most part she let me take care of myself when I moved in with her for awhile when I was mostly 14. During this time my cousin was 17 and also living there, but when she'd leave the 2 of us together she'd say, "Becky's in charge." That never failed to tick him off.

posted March 03, 2010 11:35 AM         

fatinkerbell
The term "rules" is too vague.
Rules of what, for what, from whom, and so forth? Or do setting down rules for children and others? Government?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rule

Or do you mean laws?
Regulations?
Ethics?
Morals?
Or?????

If I catch your drift fatinkerbell;
My answer is::
"When in Rome"

quote:

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Stories behind Famous Sayings

The Saying: WHEN IN ROME, DO AS THE ROMANS DO.

Who Said It: St. Ambrose

When: 387 A.D.

The Story behind It: When St. Augustine arrived in Milan, he observed that the Church did not fast on Saturday as did the Church at Rome. He consulted St. Ambrose, bishop of Milan, who replied: "When I am at Rome, I fast on a Saturday; when I am at Milan, I do not. Follow the custom of the Church where you are." The comment was changed to "When they are at Rome, they do there as they see done" by Robert Burton in his Anatomy of Melancholy. Eventually it became "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

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posted March 03, 2010 12:27 PM         

Astrologically I have:

Sun in Capricorn (rule-abider generally)
Sun in the 8th (psychological bent)
Saturn in the 1st (you can't be more strict with me than I am)
Mercury quintile Pluto:
You have a remarkable talent for expressing the most forbidden, obscure or arcane subject matter, and for analyzing hidden psychological patterns. You are gifted at getting right to the essence of a situation or subject, and would be an excellent researcher or investigator. Psychological counseling would also be a natural ability for you, as you understand and can verbalize things in a way that is easily understood by others.

posted March 03, 2010 01:14 PM         

I mean, ok, it's not "proper" to belch during dinner in public, but it's not a "rule."

So, if I am sitting next to someone who does that, I may think them an oaf, but I don't really care, or become offended, because, well, that is them, not me, or mine.

Everyone is raised with certain expectations, and we probably do carry them forth into adulthood, unless we totally rebel, or deem them worthless in our eyes.
Yet, I can't fathom expecting someone else to go by my set of expectations in their own lives, when they are not me. They haven't been where I've been and done what I've done, they are coming from their own set of experiences.

As far as rules at work. OK, in my job, most employers don't want you drinking on the job. This is common, and totally understandable, if you are impaired, chances are you will mess up your cash drawer or you will slack in some fashion.
BUT, numerous times, I've worked with others who ignore this rule. My last job, the girl who worked with me drank out of a coffee mug, thinking nobody knew it wasn't coffee.
Now, this caused an issue with two other employees, because, it was the old, "well, if she can do it, why can't I?" thing.

posted March 03, 2010 02:15 PM         

I can't really think of any rules I have to go by, except laws of course...speed limit rules are not suggestions. so, i try not to speed so i don't have to give my money to them people.

of course, out of respect for people, i will follow house rules as a guest, like if they have new carpet and want shoes off upon entering, i would never disrespect thier home...so the shoes would be off as they wish. but that is more a respect thing.

posted March 03, 2010 02:51 PM         

but if i'm not interested in the game i don't follow the rules! and i find most of the time if i follow MY rules, people just LET me.

was just reading a story about gurdjieff which told how he lived in a russian village that was taken over by the cossacks. every day they would knock on doors and drag the tenants out into the street to be beaten, dragged to death or whatever the day's pleasure was...and every day they knocked on the door where gurdjieff was. he answered, standing in the doorway and asked them to come back another day...and they did!

he was not following the rules of the cossacks but of the heart. he explained it thus: he spoke to them from his heart, to their hearts, and they complied every time...

posted March 03, 2010 08:33 PM         

I speed, I've taken drugs, I used to drink underage, etc. When I was little, I was a good kid because I figured it was more of a burden on myself to "be in trouble" and breaking the rules just didn't interest me. I wasn't a teacher's pet, though. I never suck up, in fact I don't know how, I just feel like a phony. Teachers don't notice me. It's easier to do what you want when you fly under the radar.

I'm an Aquarius, Saturn/Uranus in my 7th in Sag.

posted March 03, 2010 08:49 PM         

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i find most of the time if i follow MY rules, people just LET me.

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I love this! So, in other words, you make your own rules and you get away with it? Fabulous!

posted March 03, 2010 09:18 PM         

I only abide by:

1. The rules I agree with, the ones that have a purpose and make sense to me.

2. The rules I need to abide by for whatever reason or period of time so as to not adversely impact my career.

-- 2 -- is only if I'm somewhat still OK ^ with the rules.. If I was completely set against the rules.. I'd leave.

Anyway rules don't mean much to me. You mentioned school. The only rule I heeded in school was: "show up to those things that count towards your assessment"

Some rules I find seriously silly.. so I got out of basically everything.

Gypsee mentioned respect - In my mind there is always a good reason for *respect* so that's a rule I do heed. I didn't disrespect anyone in high school.. but I didn't abide by rules either.

posted March 03, 2010 09:28 PM         

I never staged a protest though.

I simply did *not* wear that.

For instance in summer - I wore my pants sometimes.. I was meant to wear the summer dress lol

When someone asked me about it, I told them it was very windy outside and my skirt slips up.. so I'd prefer to wear pants.

When they said that I should still abide by the uniform rules bla bla..

I said - well I'm actually very shy about that.. I have some issues - I'm seeing a psychologist and I'm trying to avoid a nervous breakdown... so it really would be best.. *insert nervous laughter* because last year I tried to cut my wrists and my parents think I should just wear what I please.. if it makes me *that* uncomfortable.

That's the sort of stuff I made up.
Because I KNOW it scares their pants off.

posted March 03, 2010 09:34 PM         

You said:

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As for me personally, I'd have learned more and been better educated if I'd just been kept out of school and allowed to learn on my own. But most teachers don't like hearing about that so I'll stop there.

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No no! Don't stop actually I totally agree with you. I mean I agree with you that you might have been better kept out of school learning stuff on your own and I ALSO agree that many other people would also benefit from that ... I mean school can be a really twisted place! So I'm not the kind of teacher who would object to that.... I guess I don't regard myself as a typical teacher. As a rule (hahaha ... get it, pun intended, hahah ... OK lame I know but I couldn't resist!) I like to shake things up. I guess on the inside I would always butt heads with most other teachers. In fact, I consider myself to be something of an anti-teacher! Undoing the work that silly teachers do .... by silly teachers I mean teachers who just basically terrorize instead of teach. When I was a child I had many of those ... and I've seen in many walks of life, including University, teachers and lecturers who are light on encouragement and heavy on criticism. So if you wanna rant about teachers Dervish I TOTALLY would understand! I also learned a lot of stuff better on my own, but I tended in the past to be a model student ... almost teacher's pet material one might say ... but only because I actually totally enjoyed learning. It was only laaaate in life that I developed an "attitude problem", when I was waitressing and such and didn't agree with management. It was quite novel for me. I'd never considered myself a rebel but as I got older I realized I actually do have a lot of rebellion in me. I guess that's sort of maybe why I started this topic because I'm not really fond of being told what to do so I hesitate to do it to others... however, there is also a part of me that seems to have a knack for telling people what to do. Apparently I can be quite bossy .... mmmm.