posted March 09, 2010 10:57 AM         

Perhaps healing can be found after shart storms of mud are slung, (which undoubtably happens with threads like these) but I know we are capable of better here.

posted March 09, 2010 11:01 AM         

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I know we are capable of better here

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Well you might be.

posted March 09, 2010 11:39 AM         

I know your heart is in the right place.

I'm not sure what Lara intended by this,
but it's clear that it stems from a wound.

There are plenty of negative possibilities
that attend even the loveliest of actions,
but we try to look for the best.

Not for perfection, but for effort,
and the only way to approximate that
is to compare the present action to
the previous one.

Is the present an improvement?

I think this is an improvement,
and if it subjects the matter to
the consideration of all of Lindaland,
perhaps that is the most judicious thing?

It brings oneself before the jury,
along with whomever one accuses.

But, you are right...

There is always a better way.

posted March 09, 2010 11:53 AM         

there is also truth in that our words affect those around us, but even more so our thoughts affect our environment and the people in it. i expect lara will rise above this after she has tended to her auric field...

but there is also evidence that what we see is a reflection not of the world and "others" but of ourselves ... when someone upsets you it is usually a signal for some "stuff" coming up for a clearing!

posted March 09, 2010 12:03 PM         

Indeed perhaps Diana was coming out of context, and was otherwise irrational in her means of carrying on in the thread.

At any rate /in that factor/ you were none the wiser. God does not assassinate The Devil, because murder is unjust. In fact corrospondnig with your argument within the thread, you are soley responsible, no matter what, as your own individual. You are never imposed on, you just mishandle the "imposter". You were continually posting laugh acronyms as if to represent your aloof assuredness of your superiority. That was purely destructive and in your fault.

Anyway that's not my main point I just forgot what my main point was for a while and carried on with that as long as I could to make up for it, but I have it now. The patheticness of this has distressed me.

In regards to as was claimed in the thread, I do not believe you to be kara free and justified. Not because some entity in a book with understressed origins said no one could be, but because specifically I see a flaw. You have a factor of denial in your arguments, and not just on the superficial subject matter, but of yourself, both of which are the same ultimately but, you know, thouhgt I'd stress, as it is with the core of yourself where you must correct yourself, not with superficial subject matter, as the latter comes off the former, and were you to correct merely your superficial subject matter it wouldn't stop you from continuing incorrectly elsewhere, and I'm sure sayinh that was purely redundant, but what the hell, I'm busy loading up the other thread to look at, so might as well type, and fortify the corner, or smoothen the shape of the circle if you'd prefer. All official like. This probably annoys the crap out of you to read (I am amused, not out of sadism to torture you, but to flip off Valus who I am not at balance with , just in regards to recent specific subject matter anyway. Hippocracy ftw (but it isn't actually if you think about it))

Right so anyway.. self denial.. yeah just generally I think it's what evokes the self-assuredness displayed in the argument, you were glossing to win, but it's not winning if it's for the wrong cause. Ends don't justify the means in other words, so /don't do that!/

So yeah that was really messy.

posted March 09, 2010 12:57 PM         

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A man is an animal. He is a primal force. You can't put your pussy in his face and expect him to keep control, unless of course he is a control freak or you are.
It is totally unreasonable and unacceptable for a woman to physically rub a mans nose in her sexuality and then spit on him. This kind of woman is a b1tch.

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Are you serious? Okay, this is the best defense attorney closing statement in a rape case I've ever heard. Sorry, but it's very callous and offensive. I don't see any heart in it at all. It's NOT empathetic and it's not spiritual in any way.

I appreciate your re-wording the context of the argument to lessen the blow of her words, but clearly, things like this certainly fueled Diana.

I don't know why I'm even caring about this to be honest.

Peace.

*edit*

Oh, I remember, because it is an EXTREMELY sensitive subject to make crass statements about. If you've been through rape or abuse or know someone who has, you will most likely not be able to be super objective to statements like that or see them as terribly understanding.

I tried, but yes, I am human.

You see, this argument would have stayed off my radar if it had stayed in the thread it began in, probably many people's. Now it will be like 'ooo, let's see what this is about" and the pot is stirred.

posted March 09, 2010 02:05 PM         

I hear what you're saying, and, I've no desire to see people's feelings stirred up for the wrong reasons. I think Lara's presentation of her view is extreme, but maybe that's only because I disagree with her view; and would find it extreme no matter how it was presented. Perhaps it cannot be voiced differently, but is just as extreme as it appears. I certainly agree that some "men are animals", though I try to remember not to articulate it that way; for the reasons I stated in my first post to wheels on this thread. And I think we can all agree that there are certain behaviors which "antagonize" men who lack self-control. Whether or not we are responsible for antagonizing them is another matter.

For instance, some people argue that, if you intentionally become a star, you forfeit your right to privacy. In this sense, they are saying that the talented person is responsible for having antagonized the paparazzi by exhibiting their talent. Similarly, some people argue that, if you dye your hair purple, or wear a tatoo on your face, you have no right to complain when people stare or make negative comments about your appearance. You may say that you are just expressing your individuality, but they will say you are doing it to get a reaction. In any case, you knew people would stare, so you have no right to complain when they do, or to tell them that staring isn't polite. Right? Wrong.

posted March 09, 2010 02:36 PM         

I see what you are saying with your analogies, but I fail to see how they are the same as this topic. Again, probably because this is a very sensitive subject for me personally. I think there is a world of difference between your instances, but that's just me. Physical brutality and people staring are quite different. I'm sure you are well aware of that. I'm just sharing the gravity of these situations from MY standpoint. If I were a star or a purple haired, tatoo faced individual, I may feel closer to those situations and my passion for the subject would be different.

posted March 09, 2010 02:51 PM         

One of the things Lara objected to
is what she saw as Diana's suggestion
that she (Lara) is deserving of abuse.
It would seem that both used "Karma"
as an excuse to suggest, or declare,
that somebody deserved a catastrophe.
Kinda funny.

posted March 09, 2010 02:54 PM         

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..if a person even hints that they find certain behavior "deserving" of abuse in any way [is] disgusting

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I couldn't agree more. It actually makes me sick to my stomach to think that there are people out there who could live their lives believing they deserve abuse.

jane put it quite well on astro 2.0:

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The rule can't be that a woman consents to sex if she arouses men. She consents to sex if she consents to sex.

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posted March 09, 2010 03:59 PM         

anyway, that being said, seriously, men are primal animals and can not control themsselves?

jesus, we should keep them caged.

i can see how that reasoning would provoke an arguement.

other than that, hi wheels and erabuddy.

posted March 09, 2010 05:37 PM         

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Hi LEXX ... wonderful quote

"...dick with a halo"
Yeah, I saw that and almost spat out my soup LOL.

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posted March 09, 2010 05:55 PM         

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be like walking on eggshells around this site ..
sure has driven me away from sharing/posting astro info ..

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