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cherle
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posted April 27, 2010 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really hate bullies, but I especially hate attention-seeking "Queen Bee" types of bullies. I'm on the autism spectrum and I work with kids either on the spectrum or with other learning or developmental issues. I have a zero tolerance policy with bullies.

A bully gets a high off making other people feel confused, powerless and shut out while making themselves feel more powerful. An attention-seeking "Queen Bee" type of bully tends to be be overly friendly with her/his "new targets," sucking them under his/her web of influence, until the bully gets bored or tired of them, or worse, feels threatened or challenged by them. That's when the bully shuts those "targets" out, usually with little or no explanation, leaving the victim feeling confused, powerless and violated somehow. Then, when the Queen Bee gets confronted about his/her behavior, she/he will manipulate their victim further, enjoying the attention they get from playing a "false victim" in this confrontation, all the while making themselves look blameless and "above" the mess they intentionally created.

We all know this kind of Queen Bee bully from junior high school. Unfortunately, many Queen Bees don't grow out of their Queen Bee phase because they're so adept at avoiding the consequences of their manipulative, self-serving behavior. This are one of the known types of "serial bullies"--people who demonstrate bullying behavior as a primary mode of existence, and often can remain bullies into adulthood. You can read more about the attention-seeking type of serial bully here:

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm#Attention

The best way to deal with bullies is to first recognize that they are bullies, even if other people come to that person's defense. You need to at least, in your own mind, recognize that person as a bully. If that person has made you feel powerless or violated, you have the right to stand up for yourself and not tolerate being manipulated any further, either by the bully or by people wanting to defend or protect the bully. If there is violence involved, or if the bully is threatening your security in other ways, like threatening your job security or your other relationships, then you may need to be confrontational--just be sure to do it responsibly. and reasonably. And legally--the law is the bully's victim's friend, so stay on the law's good side! But otherwise, the best way I've personally found to deal with these situations is, once I know that someone's is a bully, I simply make sure not to engage them in the future. Save your energy for people who aren't parasites.

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teasel
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posted April 27, 2010 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dropped out of school, because of bullying. I'd had anxiety attacks for years, and right around my fifteenth birthday, I was circling the drain of a nervous breakdown (the teachers wouldn't do anything; only one asked me if I was okay, but I was so turned inward, at that point, that I just nodded and didn't say that I really wasn't - this was after he'd left the room for about ten minutes, which gave them time to harass me).

As an adult, I'm usually fine when dealing with it - hurt at first, but then turning it into a game, such as, "I wonder what they'll do next" if it's in regards to me. It helps me to separate the emotions (if I'm not that close to someone), and I guess the other person gets bored. I wish I'd been able to do it as a teenager.

I've also had one instance where I couldn't let something go - I wanted to, but I was so emotional about it, so hurt, that it kept coming back up, along with my temper. Unusual for me, but I'd trusted this person. I finally realized that I was more angry at myself than I was them (though they still had some part in it).

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posted April 27, 2010 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bullies do suck.
And they're everywhere - in the physical AND the emotional sphere. I think the term Queen Bee is apt. These people tend to be narcissists in general.

I like what that link says and agree that there are several types of bullies.

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posted April 27, 2010 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LMAO @ toadying!
I never even realized the word existed.

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teasel
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posted April 27, 2010 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't either.

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a servile flatterer; sycophant, esp. one who does distasteful or unprincipled things in order to gain favor.

Something like this came up in an online tarot reading I had: something about someone doing horrible things to gain my favour. Why would that work?

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posted April 27, 2010 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cherle,

I can relate too. Like you, I am on the neurodivergent spectrum with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD.

I got bullied,teased,and picked on a lot.

I grew up strongly believing in self defense. That was something that my stepfather taught me.


I won't hesitate to defend myself.


I used to wish duels were legal too. I read too many knights of the round table stuff as a kid. hahahaha


Also bullies tend to be cowards too. They tend to prey on people that they assume are weaker than them.


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listenstotrees
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posted April 27, 2010 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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MyVirgoMask
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posted April 27, 2010 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was in school I was bullied all the time. In high school 4 girls bullied me, then jumped me because I was friends with their boyfriends. The irony of it is that their boyfriends (who were all friends) took care of me after I got beat up (icing my black eye, treating my scrapes, basically nursing me lol), and 3 of them reported their girlfriends to the police (!!!).

One of the girls who bullied me years later called to apologize for her behavior.

So I guess sometimes people can come around.

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posted April 27, 2010 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mys-elf13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A bully is coward at heart.

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LEXX
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posted April 27, 2010 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of the nastiest bullies are the adult ones who come on all strong as wanting to be best friends and shower one with flowery words and attention and appear to be very loving, very nice and real and understanding, but disagree with them and or make friends with anyone else...and wham! They will go out of their way to try and get others to hate you and lie so cleverly that others do not realize they have been snookered. As long as you do nothing to upset them, they will appear to be some of the sweetest kindest folks you have ever met.....but OMG the cruelty they will and do inflict with a vengeance, if you disagree with them or incur their irrational jealousies! "shudder"
I agree with this!
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An attention-seeking "Queen Bee" type of bully tends to be be overly friendly with her/his "new targets," sucking them under his/her web of influence, until the bully gets bored or tired of them, or worse, feels threatened or challenged by them. That's when the bully shuts those "targets" out, usually with little or no explanation, leaving the victim feeling confused, powerless and violated somehow. Then, when the Queen Bee gets confronted about his/her behavior, she/he will manipulate their victim further, enjoying the attention they get from playing a "false victim" in this confrontation, all the while making themselves look blameless and "above" the mess they intentionally created.

We all know this kind of Queen Bee bully from junior high school. Unfortunately, many Queen Bees don't grow out of their Queen Bee phase because they're so adept at avoiding the consequences of their manipulative, self-serving behavior. This are one of the known types of "serial bullies"--people who demonstrate bullying behavior as a primary mode of existence, and often can remain bullies into adulthood. You can read more about the attention-seeking type of serial bully here:



There are also the needy bullies who if you reject their too aggressive friendship overtures,will instantly deem you their arch enemy. Or stalk at first, until they creep you out and you have to make them back off by clearly rejecting them...then things really get nasty. "more shudders"
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posted April 27, 2010 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX, I'm afraid that I've known too many of those types as well.

I always find the ones who initially come off charming as the more scary ones.

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posted April 27, 2010 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yup. Bullies suck.

They tend to have regular targets. They find someone who appears vulnerable, small, or different in some way, and then go out of their way to get in that person's way and to provoke them. When I was younger, I mostly got bullied for being a pensive, retiring, and gentle kid, but, later, and more recently, for expressing unusual points of view and asking big question that make people uncomfortable. I've come to the conclusion that nothing makes you more vulnerable than speaking up for something unpopular or unusual.

I've had to develop a strong and aggressive personality, in order to defend myself and my views, and sometimes I overdo it. But, at least, I give as good as I get, and refuse to be bullied into silence or compliance with their wishes. And that's saying a lot. I've also found that I can beat them by reasoning with them. Bullies hate to think, and will do anything to control an argument. If you can keep the focus on logic, and on ethical themes, you can pretty much be assured of holding the high ground and winning the day. But it's not easy. Like the mensch said, "If you do battle with monsters, be careful not to become a monster yourself; when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you."


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posted April 27, 2010 11:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The sad truth is, we're all victims, and the biggest victimizers are some of the biggest victims. I feel sorry for them, but they're usually too far-gone for me to help, and I'd rather help somebody who's receptive to what I have to give, and the way I have to give it. It's a reflection on my own limitations.


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LEXX
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posted April 28, 2010 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MyVirgoMask
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LEXX, I'm afraid that I've known too many of those types as well.

I always find the ones who initially come off charming as the more scary ones.


I am sad you have had run ins with those too.
They are definitely the scariest ones!
And the contrast betwixt the charming, loving, honest, sweet person you thought they were, and the cruel, lying, vindictive, obsessed with vengeance person you discover they really are...well that contrast makes it even creepier!
I always feel sad for those who they will turn on next. Those kind need an enemy to be happy it seems.


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posted April 28, 2010 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel sorry for bullies, but, I feel sorry for most people with "issues," it's just in my wiring.

I always want to know WHY people are the way they are, so I dig, and dig, until I figure it out.

Usually bullies ended up my friends.
But not always, some people are just corrupt souls, bankrupted, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it, except walk.

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Alma Sun
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posted March 11, 2012 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting read, well worth a bump.

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Originally posted by LEXX:
Some of the nastiest bullies are the adult ones who come on all strong as wanting to be best friends and shower one with flowery words and attention and appear to be very loving, very nice and real and understanding, but disagree with them and or make friends with anyone else...and wham! They will go out of their way to try and get others to hate you and lie so cleverly that others do not realize they have been snookered. As long as you do nothing to upset them, they will appear to be some of the sweetest kindest folks you have ever met.....but OMG the cruelty they will and do inflict with a vengeance, if you disagree with them or incur their irrational jealousies! "shudder"

I just do not get people who behave that way. Really juvenile.

The way I see it, I'll be friends with who I want, when I want, WHERE EVER I want. No queen Bee is going to make me feel bad 'cause I like people she (or he) doesn't.

Silly Queen Bee's

That's why time will always tell who your real friends are.

One thing to keep in mind though,

If these so-called people were to be so easily duped, and turned their backs on ya because of some messed-up-in-the-head bully, then they weren't really worth your friendship or your time to begin with. Not sure if there's really a loss there.

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posted March 11, 2012 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Bullies hate to think, and will do anything to control an argument.

This made me LOL.

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posted March 11, 2012 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Alma Sun:
Interesting read, well worth a bump.

I just do not get people who behave that way. Really juvenile.

The way I see it, I'll be friends with [b]who I want, when I want, WHERE EVER I want. No queen Bee is going to make me feel bad 'cause I like people she (or he) doesn't.

Silly Queen Bee's

That's why time will always tell who your real friends are.

One thing to keep in mind though,

If these so-called people were to be so easily duped, and turned their backs on ya because of some messed-up-in-the-head bully, then they weren't really worth your friendship or your time to begin with. Not sure if there's really a loss there.

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Agreed.

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