posted May 14, 2010 04:59 PM            

but, he has made me smile a time or two, his music has made me contemplate life a time or two, the jams have made me jam a time or two... his lucious looks have made me drool a time or two...

he has contributed to my life as much as anybody else has.

love em.

posted May 14, 2010 05:25 PM              

I've had similar reversals.

The Jim Morrison of the early period,
the rock-shaman on mushrooms and LSD,
is a lot different from the lounge singer
who drank and sniffed coke later on.

posted May 14, 2010 05:26 PM            

quote:

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"My son had a unique genius, which he expressed without compromise." Maybe if his father had said it sooner, he wouldn't have drank himself to death. So it goes.

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Jim was predispositioned to drinking. I don't think his father led him to drink. Jim had a roller coaster life brought on by fame, chicks, money, drugs. That's enough to seduce any young man into a hedonistic lifestyle.

He had a realistic view on love/pain. But his behaviour was rash and he saw himself as intelligent. Sadly, his intelligence didn't protect him from making poor choices. His overdose was more powerful than the man.

posted May 14, 2010 05:48 PM              

Peace Frog

Spanish Caravan

L'America

posted May 14, 2010 05:56 PM              

Prolific trickster, rambler,
crusader for the common man...

What's he done in the past 40 years
that anybody thinks is comparable
to what he did in the 60's?

But nevermind that,

I was saying....

Dylan skated over the surfaces,
swam and slipped and cleverly sprung,
and hopped the fence with his guitar, etc.

But he didn't go deep.

He was so clever, he didn't have to.
He could stay above water a say a lot.

But was any Dylan concert reminiscent
of a Dionysian orgy, or a shamanic ritual?

Where was the Moon?

Where was the Fire?

Both had exceptional visions.

But Jim felt them.

I think he meant them,
more than Dylan ever did,
with his noncommital wit.

Just my thoughts.

I love them both.

posted May 15, 2010 01:36 AM            

Unfortunately it comes with the territory.

Jim screwed up alot, no doubt, but he was a poet, and THE front man of our lifetimes.
That is accomplishing more than most of us could ever dream of..

And, I don't think there was a doubt about his and Pam's love.
Just remember times were so different.
It was about free love and all that.

She was not innocent either.
She had a years long affair with an Italian Count. (I think he was Italian)

Anyway, YIN!!!!!!!! I think in the spirit of friendship you should reconsider. I am older and therefore have loved him longer, PLUS you have Valus, your very own poet, Jim should be mine.

Or we could act like they did then and just share!

posted May 15, 2010 10:32 AM              

There's a recording where he's talking to the audience, saying how he's a Sagittarius, but that he doesn't really believe that stuff. Not sure where I heard it. I think it was before they played "Waiting For the Sun".

Yeah, I saw that thing with Depp, and that's what got me to start this thread, but I didn't know it was a new or recent special. For some reason, I thought it was older.

I understand what you're saying, "Jim was THE frontman of our lifetimes", but I've actually been lucky enough to encounter and dialogue with people like Jim, and, while they may not be stars (or have three considerably-more-grounded bandmates to take care of the logistics -- and carry them while they writhe in a half-conscious state on the stage), they've had a more profound and direct effect on me than Jim had. Kurt Cobain is another story, but, then, that was my generation, so... Maybe I do see your point. (And I won't test your patience by comparing these two comets. That would be a disservice to them both.)

posted May 16, 2010 07:01 PM            

Clearly there was going to be some kind of creative career for him, but I believe that Ray may have seen a cash cow when looking at Jim, and once he got him on stage that was all she wrote.

No doubt Ray was was the backbone. There has to be one person keeping stuff together, you know?
But, without Jim, I doubt Ray would of ever been more than a club musician.
Just MHO, of course.

And yeah, same with Kurt, different genres and all that, but each in his way possibly too sensitive for this world, and the industry that ate them alive.
That's show business, so they say.
Sad but true.

posted May 16, 2010 07:16 PM              

But Kurt was a born musician,
who always wanted to make music
and practiced endlessly on his guitar.
He wrote the songs, as well as lyrics,
and was more savy than people realize
when it came to promoting the band.
His ambitions for the band were huge.
He was a brilliant painter, too.

But the sensitivity factor is there, and
the personal demons that became dark muses.

I would have loved to see Jim or Kurt perform.

We can say a lot about them, but
I think it is good just to say
that the had heart.

Some people think they took the easy way out,
but how many of those people were battling
demons in the hell of their own depths?

These men sang from their hearts,
did everything from their hearts.