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Topic: Obama to be given the right to shut down the internet with 'kill switch'
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T
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posted June 22, 2010 10:58 PM
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287695/Obama-given-right-shut-internet-kill-switch.html IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted June 22, 2010 11:34 PM
"in a new law being proposed in the US...
which has been proposed by former presidential candidate Joe Liebermann"
good old liebermann, eh? and don't you just love the way the journalists make it sound as if its already set and going into effect tomorrow?
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katatonic
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posted June 22, 2010 11:35 PM
pffft!IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted June 22, 2010 11:43 PM
EVERYONE PANIC NOW!
.............sorry, i couldn't help myself.
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LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted June 23, 2010 02:59 AM
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charmainec
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From: on the other side of the rainbow
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posted June 23, 2010 08:37 AM
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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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AbsintheDragonfly
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From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 09:37 AM
 ok better now. LOL I think I'll wait and see for the day I can't log into the intertubes before I worry. Considering it was originally an Military only thing, maybe it has more to do with being similar to when police turn on their sirens and get into the left lane, everyone is supposed to get out of the way. Or maybe the Military just wants their internets back. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted June 23, 2010 09:53 AM
i was thinking about this and wondering - doesn't anyone remember life before the internet? would the world stop spinning if it were shut down temporarily? not that i think this law should be put into effect but would it really be such a big deal?IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 23, 2010 10:50 AM
Thank you for posting this!
Ami
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T
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posted June 23, 2010 12:03 PM
I remember those days kat. And i wouldnt mind either. Though, i think it would be a big deal for different reasons.Youre welcome, Ami. Side note, i'm not saying people need to worry or panic or that the sky is falling, just sharing info.... Maybe youre directing those comments towards the tone the article was written in?
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AbsintheDragonfly
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From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 12:29 PM
Sorry T, I wasn't trying to make snide comments about you. I apologize if you thought that's what I was saying. Please accept my apology.~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
The article did seem a bit overly alarmist, and sounded like a done deal. The title is also somewhat skewed, it didn't say Lieberman has introduced a bill....it makes it sound like this was the President's baby if you will. I just realized that Obama is the Republican's Bush. Meaning they feel like Obama, how Democrats felt about Bush. Wow. IP: Logged |
T
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posted June 23, 2010 01:08 PM
No need to apologize! I figured as much, but i thought i'd mention it as to turn the focus away from the way the article was written and instead look at some of the other implications if this were to take effect. What if..?Thank you and you bring up good points.  IP: Logged |
Dervish
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posted June 23, 2010 01:59 PM
1. The Daily Mail is pretty out there and I automatically look to verify a story it puts out elsewhere. 2. In this case the story traces back to Declan McCullagh of CNET who doesn't have the best reputation either. So with that in mind, I'd say this is more likely:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/joe-lieberman-and-the-myth-of-the-internet-kill-switch.php THAT SAID, Lieberman is pretty out there himself so I could see him trying to pull something like that. I still can't believe Al Gore chose him as his running mate in 2000. IIRC, neither party wants to claim him anymore. And as for shutting down the internet as shared here? Oh yeah, that would NOT return us to the pre-internet days. Since that time so much has been put over the internet (quite foolishly) that the entire government would collapse with it. Not just federal but also state and most to all locals. Every job that's paid for with taxpayer money would no longer get paid. The military, while they do hold some areas separate from the net and have alternatives, would also not only be crippled by it all the same but they also wouldn't get paid. And civilian wise it's also just as damaging. Think of all the stuff said about Y2K. That's pretty much what would happen, at the very least. In short, IF this story had been true, it would've been as stupid as those bad vampire movies where the master vampire puts his coffin in a room full of windows for the heroes to break at the end so the sun can destroy him. Granted, this might be a good thing in the end, but it would be one ugly and dragged out change, and it's likely the USA would no longer exist but rather balkanized states once the dust settled. IP: Logged |
Nephthys
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From: California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 02:27 PM
Hmmm I am just thinking that it would make more sense to tighten security on the Internet in general.......both for personal users and companies. ( i.e. tighten the sharing of personal information) With the economy the way it is, this would be very detrimental economically if they did shut it down............ For example I work for a large corporation (*cough* *cough*) and I have to do research on Internet for my job. + many companies used shared networking......... IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted June 23, 2010 03:47 PM
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WinkAway
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From: The great beyond
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 03:50 PM
It's a conspiracy!!!  Obama's gonna shut down the internet that Gore invented!! <kidding, kidding> IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted June 23, 2010 04:17 PM
the long and short is that there is no absolutely impregnable defence online or off...and shutting down the whole internet would hardly be necessary to protect national security type secrets!!T, just wanted to say i realize you are not flapping in the wind, but in my first post i wanted to make sure it was obvious that the headline and the actual story didn't add up to the same thing!! the mail does this all the time, and in fact most "news" seems to be going this way...the sensationalist headline followed by the conjectural story where IF YOU READ the "fine" print you discover its a storm in a teacup at least for now. i have my doubts if liebermann has enough allies right now to pass anything much through congress!! the implications WOULD be nasty but in sooo many ways i would actually welcome reverting at least temporarily to a less rumour-ridden environment. i often feel like i am living in the tower of babel... IP: Logged |
T
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posted June 23, 2010 06:28 PM
Thanks for the heads up Dervish. I didnt know that about the Daily Mail.
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the long and short is that there is no absolutely impregnable defence online or off...and shutting down the whole internet would hardly be necessary to protect national security type secrets!!
i agree kat. and as usual everything else you said was levelheaded and spot on as well. & yes, tower of babel is the feeling for sure. lol IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 24, 2010 02:25 AM
I was already under the assumption that each leader had that capability anyway. No one really had to make an announcement or even make it up.It's kinda like how it's assumed that anything that we place privacy restrictions on with our social sites, etc. If they want that information, they'll get it. IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
Knowflake Posts: 421
From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted June 24, 2010 08:06 AM
Geo,Spot on there. Though I think we've discussed that before. ~~~~~~~ What's interesting to me, is that the things that people were saying during the Bush administration, ie FEMA camps, mass forced inocculations, lists of names of people etc. Are now being said under the Obama administration.
The bottom line is that people really distrust the government, and don't think they are doing anytihng positive.
Does this bode an ill wind? Methinks there is something brewing in the country. It's bubbling to the surface... IP: Logged |
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