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Rogue Guru
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posted April 19, 2011 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just spent the last 2 1/2 hours (shameful waste of time, my superego scolds) reading over my old posts. Truly a boon of the Internet, for those of us that can't seem to be bothered with things like journals and photographs -- to be able to look back and see how far you've come (or not, as the case may be).

Lindaland was a case of love at first sight. To someone who cares deeply about spiritual matters, very rarely finds stimulating intellectual conversation in his physical environment, and adores Linda Goodman, Lindaland in mid-2002, in its infancy, was an immeasurable blessing.

Yep, love at first sight. And something in me committed to her, a fact I've just now realized.

Unfortunately -- and this is common enough to have become a cliche -- once she wooed me and got the ring around my finger, she stopped working at the relationship. She started to favor mindless entertainment over actually talking to me. She gained 150 pounds. She let a big old ugly wart grow right in the middle of her forehead. (That's jwhop.)

*Sigh* Chogyam Trungpa was right. "There's no point thinking that a past exists that we could have now."

Mind you, I'm not saying Lindaland doesn't have her good qualities. But with my ruling planet in Virgo, it's really hard not to notice flaws. Especially in those you love.

When your Sun and Ascendant are right on top of each other, it's practically impossible to project any image to the world other than a true one. You just kind of let it all hang out -- because you don't seem to have a choice. And I've certainly done that here. Not that that's a revelation or anything; I've always known I was doing it, as I was doing it. But when you're in love, you think it's safe.

Anyway. I'm kind of rambling (but that's okay tonight). Back to my "trip down Amnesia Lane".

So, reading over my own words. Some of them shocked me for the lack of maturity/insight they revealed, and some made me feel a little proud of myself. You win some, you lose some. Nobody's perfect (but I much prefer those who try).

Here's something I said that was particularly insightful (as the intervening years have proven) and admirably concise (I said it to Randall in a thread about LL): "You've lost so many that meant so much here. Don't you see why? Don't you care?"

And it's true. Sadly, pathetically, true, that a lot of the people this site seems designed for, and who made good use of it, eventually couldn't tolerate what it had become and left.

I miss some of those people.

...just spent another two hours reading old posts, this time going all the way back. Amazing, how free and easy I was with my posts back then! But I felt like I belonged here, like I was welcome here, like I was wanted, like I was thought of as a valued contributor. And I tried to be... I remember how in the beginning I was always trying to add something useful and positive to the place. I need to start doing a lot more of that again...

Heck, Randall once cheered because I showed back up after a period of absence! I just about fell out of my chair with shock a few minutes ago when I came across that post. Years later, I came THIS --->| |<--- close to being banned from this site, which is not an easy trick, lemme tellya.

(Seriously, Randall. I was bullied as a child. A lot. Badly. I know what it feels like when the bigger and stronger (or just quicker of wit) hurt you for no good reason, and laugh while they're doing it because they know they're in a position that allows them to do so with impunity. Now, take that background, which gives me heart-wrenching empathy for every poor, unsuspecting soul that gets emotionally eviscerated in GU, and factor in that I'm a heavy Libra, someone who loves nothing better than to be karma's conduit... you gettin' the picture? The stars may only incline but in this case it's a pretty steep incline.)

...

I see that pixelpixie was here from the beginning, too. That probably didn't stick with me because I initially wrote her off as not very spiritual; then later we were really good friends for a while, and I accepted her Scorpion preoccupation with all things sexual. Then one day (and this has got to be the stupidest reason anyone ever wrote me off) I happened to share the opinion that I didn't like the name she chose for one of her children -- and she hasn't spoken to me since. (But I digress again.) Well, since I can't ask pixie, I'll ask you, Juniper -- why are we still here? What genetic brain defect do we have in common? (That was humor... at least partially.)

...

Well, crap. It's almost 4 a.m. here. Haven't sat up and Internetted this late in quite a while, he he! But this ageless old man can't do the all-nighters like he used to, so I'm going to lay down he last of what's in my head to say and call it a night.

Since my last go-round with this site I've matured some more. I'm a lot more tolerant, because my understanding has deepened. I take it less personally when people say and do things I don't agree with -- I now realize that they're just doing the best they can with what what they've got. None of us (well, very few, anyway) think of ourselves as "bad" people, and when we do something less-than-honorable it's because we don't know how else to respond, or are trapped in a habit pattern due to psychological conditioning by the experiences we've had. The whole good guys/bad guys thing is so played out, don't you think? (Though I still don't like bullies and that's an old sore spot, besides. Hey, I'm human.) What I'm trying to say is that, to put it really simply, from a casual observer's point of view, I've mellowed a bit over time. Or I just don't waste so much of my energy in self-defeating behavior. And I don't demonize people like I used to.

I guess I might as well accept that I'm still here, and "make good use of" the place. Do what Ghandi advised and "be the change you wish to see in the world." (That's a Guru's job, anyway, isn't it?) Hope that's okay with everyone.

Randall, thanks for the spot to babble in.

Catch y'all later, after I've had some sleep.

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"And if you feel insulted, good, that was my intention." -- jwhop

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lalalinda
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posted April 19, 2011 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Petron?

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SunChild
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posted April 19, 2011 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is also my seventh year. Wow, didn't realise it until you mentioned it. Congratulations And in many ways I have the exact same feelings, only I'm a little different, and that would be my age. 19-26, and I can't let go of LL, because I don't want to.

You are so gorgeous RG. Awww.

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RMChex
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posted April 19, 2011 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi R-G,

I'm not sure I understood everything in your post - but am I right in thinking you're hoping to be on LL more? If so, "Hi! I look forward to chatting to you more". I've been reading for a while but only posting recently.

I'm sorry you were bullied as a child, and I imagine its hard to ever really let that feeling go? I do wonder if the people who inflict such pain on others know the effect they are having long term and if they do, if it bothers them?

For what its worth, here in the UK there seems to be a good focus on anti-bullying campaigns recently, and lots of celebrities are putting their weight behind the message. Here's hoping it makes a difference!

Regards,
Rachel

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Ami Anne
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posted April 19, 2011 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am sorry you are feeling sad. I don't know you very well and sympathize for your loss of dear friends on LL.
Are you on FB? Perhaps,there are some people on LL who could become special to you in the future,though perhaps it won't be the same.
I would like you to add me as a friend if you care to.Then,I can add you to the Linda Land Face Book group.
If you would be interested ,let me know.

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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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MoonWitch
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posted April 19, 2011 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been here 10 years, i think. I'm sorry i don't recognize your screen name, though. I'm a spaz like that sometimes.

Maybe you and LL are going through a dry spell. That happens sometimes.

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juniperb
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posted April 19, 2011 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The time flys by quickly and it has been about ten years here this spring.

Now Mac, you don`t think I`ve been sitting here moderating all this time do you?

As much as I love Lindaland, I took some quiet time to catch up on my studies, open my business and grieve for the loss of my Mother and Sister.

...Al tho, from time to time I would peek in to catch that ray of sunshine.

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

I am of the nature , those who spiritually or intellectually rub us wrong, may be the greatest Teachers of all. A gift hidden under a brown paper bag while the prettiest packages may tatter. So truely, there are no warts, just task makers , Human Saturns if you will.

Anyhow, on the other hand, the sturdy, faithful eyes of hope we found here once upon a time filled my heart with a promise that will never diminish. Their joy at just Being flavored LL and filled her with rich's. Without them, Lindaland`s foundation wouldn`t be the place we are posting today.

Time moves, people change with that time and we look at a new era, a new breed.

New Angels among us. A new challenge to fill us with hope, wonder and sorrow.

New rich's, dreams and a place for our personal evolution. We are never grown up, we always have more to learn , understand and goodness to find in others. To say another has lost their path is to point out our own lost footing.

I miss "what was" but I am delighted to live in the Now and watch her unfold and embrace us with the promises of another day, another chance to grow from the old prejudices , mistakes, or that proverbial mote in the eye.

It is not an errant brain cell but a heart that can embrace all that is as an unfolding of the Now. Perhaps a heart cell that can work towards embracing perceived warts as teachers and counts each and every one of us as brothers and sisters under the skin.

Not quite Emerson but a favorite that seems appropriate.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Keep the Faith and be part of the change you want to see.

a long winded juni

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 19, 2011 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"long-winded Juni"

I take it as a compliment to have garnered so much of your keyboard time in response!

And, I love your unshakeable optimism. Something to which I have always aspired. Who knows? I might get there some day. (Frickin' Virgo influence... :P )

About teachers, though... what am I supposed to learn? How to ennable abuse by silence? I suppose if I lived in an apartment and heard my neighbor beating the crap out of his wife and kid, I should just take it as a learning experience? (Ohhh, wait... I just remembered: physical abuse is so much worse than emotional abuse that the latter isn't even worth mentioning by comparison [[or so has many a woman opined to me {unless she was trying to get sympathy, and emotional abuse was all she had to get it with. Then it becomes a true sin.} ]]. Well, when I do the math, I get a different answer.)

Speaking of math: boy, I must have been tired last night! 2011 - 2002 = 9, not 7. There's no way to edit the title of a string, is there?

RMChex: Hi! Nice to meet you. I've noticed your entry to the board but you hadn't posted anything yet that I could reply to. I wanted to, about 20 minutes ago, but my comment would have been an aside and I didn't want to chance derailing someone else's string. This one's mine, so I feel justified in taking it in any direction I like at any time. (You sid that CCTV's were really cheap in the UK, and I wanted to say "in the UK, just search your living room hard enough and you can "borrow" one of the government's for free.")

SunChild: being called gorgeous by you has got to be the most ironic thing anyone has ever said.

MoonWitch and lalalinda: try "paras".

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PlutoSquared
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posted April 19, 2011 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is emotionally abusing here, Rogue Guru? Could you be specific? This Aries wants to know.

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PlutoSquared
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posted April 19, 2011 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've learned, love and peace can also be used as weapons. Excluding others from partaking in love and peace, and claiming that others don't deserve or have a right to be a part of a greater sphere.

Pack mentality, submission, spiritual enlightenment often turns into denial of others humans basic rights to communicate.

Lindaland is just fine. In fact, I feel that peace has been really good, recently. There's nothing wrong with Lindaland. Or the world or the future...

It's our own projections and egoic need to control that makes it so.

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RMChex
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posted April 19, 2011 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rogue Guru:
"in the UK, just search your living room hard enough and you can "borrow" one of the government's for free."

How do you mean?

R

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lalalinda
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posted April 19, 2011 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
of course paras, oh it's so good to see you again

Welcome back

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PlutoSquared
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posted April 19, 2011 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure every elderly person goes through this sort of resentment...

When life is slowly taken from them, and the spotlight moves onto the youth.

But, this is an important cycle of life. The beginnings and the ends... you can't keep anything preserved forever. And, even if you could, it may not be so great.

Change is what refines everyone... not just the people who are "Human Saturns"... change also better refines the "Human Neptunes"... or, the "Human Venus"... the "Human Moons"... we are all here together refining each other, like rocks in the river.

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

Just spent the last 2 1/2 hours (shameful waste of time, my superego scolds) reading over my old posts. Truly a boon of the Internet, for those of us that can't seem to be bothered with things like journals and photographs -- to be able to look back and see how far you've come (or not, as the case may be).

Lindaland was a case of love at first sight. To someone who cares deeply about spiritual matters, very rarely finds stimulating intellectual conversation in his physical environment, and adores Linda Goodman, Lindaland in mid-2002, in its infancy, was an immeasurable blessing.

Yep, love at first sight. And something in me committed to her, a fact I've just now realized.


LaLa,
that was the first thing that came to my mind as well

Hey, welcome back High Priest, good to finally be around when you are posting.

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

I am of the nature , those who spiritually or intellectually rub us wrong, may be the greatest Teachers of all. A gift hidden under a brown paper bag while the prettiest packages may tatter. So truely, there are no warts, just task makers , Human Saturns if you will.

Anyhow, on the other hand, the sturdy, faithful eyes of hope we found here once upon a time filled my heart with a promise that will never diminish. Their joy at just Being flavored LL and filled her with rich's. Without them, Lindaland`s foundation wouldn`t be the place we are posting today.

Time moves, people change with that time and we look at a new era, a new breed.

New Angels among us. A new challenge to fill us with hope, wonder and sorrow.

New rich's, dreams and a place for our personal evolution. We are never grown up, we always have more to learn , understand and goodness to find in others. To say another has lost their path is to point out our own lost footing.

I miss "what was" but I am delighted to live in the Now and watch her unfold and embrace us with the promises of another day, another chance to grow from the old prejudices , mistakes, or that proverbial mote in the eye.

It is not an errant brain cell but a heart that can embrace all that is as an unfolding of the Now. Perhaps a heart cell that can work towards embracing perceived warts as teachers and counts each and every one of us as brothers and sisters under the skin.

Not quite Emerson but a favorite that seems appropriate.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Keep the Faith and be part of the change you want to see.


ahhhh yes...
Hail Revered High Priestess of the time before.

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

I take it as a compliment to have garnered so much of your keyboard time in response!



oh no, it's Paris...

lol

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean...

What LaLa said! !

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't forgiven you for knocking GnR, Paris, so I'd bet the farm that you own Pixie an apology too.

She that is a true High Priestess of LindaLand

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 19, 2011 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, lala.

RMChex: I mean this and this. I won't be visiting your country anytime soon. How do you stand it?

quote:
From what I've learned, love and peace can also be used as weapons... ...It's our own projections and egoic need to control that makes it so.

Spot on, PlutoČ, some impressive insight there. I can hardly believe you're the same person who two days ago started a reply with 'Who cares about the other side's feelings?' (slight paraphrase). Oh well, we all have our moments, don't we? (Not being sarcastic! I've certainly had mine.) However, sometimes a situation does warrant temporal intervention, IMO. Sometimes it's not good to rationalize something away with "spiritual acceptance". Even the character Jesus in the Bible, a character widely renowned for his tolerance and forgiveness, had an instance of "okay, enough is enough."

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 19, 2011 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohh, Mystic. It's only gotten worse between me and GnR in the intervening years. I swear, the next person who starts whistling "Patience" wihin my range of hearing is going to get his lights put out! I went through a whole year in which someone did that almost every day... and the tune would stick in my head and just go around and around and around ad nauseum ad nauseum. BARF!!!

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I love you too, Paris. And you are kind of cute... we have a shortage of cute men with the Knowledge here at LindaLand, so High Priestess MM (or auntie M to some) declares you forgiven!

*starts whistling Patience...

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 19, 2011 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That MAY have been a sign, Paris.

What's your chart? Let us see! We'll show you ours if you show us yours...

You must have a lot of fire in you.

*starts whistling Patience for the second time, no this is not a typo....

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AcousticGod
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posted April 19, 2011 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Petron was a Virgo.

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letram
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posted April 19, 2011 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'v been here 13 years.

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Rogue Guru
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posted April 19, 2011 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rogue Guru     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(I knew you were going to start whistling. Don't be so predictable. :P )

Yeah, lots of fire. But lots of air, too. (jokes about being full of hot air are equally predictable, everyone) Very little Earth or Water. Thank the gods, I wouldn't want to be a stick-in-the-mud anyway. No offense to all you overemotional materialists out there.

My chart. Have fun with that mess.

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