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Mystic Melody
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posted April 22, 2011 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, you have barged into my life twice and I interacted with you as respectfully and with as much kindness as I could share even though I had reservations about you. I did this because teasel and Randall thought well of you and that was worth respecting for me. You have betrayed my kindness twice, in my eyes whether you See or understand why I believe that, and I will not allow it again, though I welcome you to LindaLand and wish ONLY the best for you and your growth as a person and as part of this community. Go with God and I will as well.

PlutoSquared, the only time I thought much about you while writing my post was when I was trying to remember who said something about the "in" group. I remembered Cynnared mentioned it, and wondered to myself if you also said something about it because I remembered that you were on that thread. I don't know all the players in the original drama, and as I've mentioned more than once, I don't care. Accept everyone, be kind to everyone, or leave. And that is not directed specifically at you at all.

It is directed to all the new people here who I suspect did not read Linda's work at all and just found us in a Google search for an astrology aspect. This is not a place for debate or contention. We do not care if you passionately disagree with something someone else has posted unless you can address it in Linda's way. Acceptance. Tolerance. The Lion laying down with the Lamb. Gently share the way Linda taught or find another place where you can do things YOUR way... or read Linda's work until you understand. We will accept anyone who is willing to learn and grow. If you want to push your ideas onto others, you will be tolerated but not respected. (Again, I am NOT talking to YOU, PS or Ami, specifically, but to All generally.) If you want to fight with others, it is accepted that we all make mistakes and fall from what we strive for... which is the tolerance Linda taught... but learn from it, apologize with all the genuineness in your heart and soul and try again another day. Find others who fall/fail less and learn from them. Respect their methods and learn everything you can. Keep Linda's spirit alive. Keep LINDA alive, otherwise it is YOU who do fail to respect this place and her webmaster... whoever YOU, who do not know and learn from Linda, may be.
(and I do not know who SPECIFICALLY fits what I said above and I'm jolly well tired of explaining that over and over, it has been "our" way to talk in non-specifics and have whoever a post "speaks" to "hear" it since the beginning, and I am not trying to pick on people in wormy, smarmy ways, no matter how your current perspective allows you to view the world and those around you. I just don't care enough about you to do that, if you can understand THAT.)

So, let whoever has Eyes to See and Ears to Hear Understand what I've used some of my valuable and hard earned and already stretched to it's limits personal energy to explain today because I won't be bullied into sharing any more until I begin to get some love and kind energy right back.

Things will be ok, Randall. Linda is still here. <3 Linda the Aries.

Learn from Linda. I love what you said the other day, about your fire, PS, and I will not forget it.

***Randall, "abcdefg" is clearly not a username, but a troll, so keep your eye on it.

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posted April 22, 2011 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish the same back to you,Mystic Melody

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In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.


He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted April 22, 2011 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Ami, I may not fully trust or understand you, but I do have some respect for you. I hope that is enough for now, and maybe things will change over time between the two of us. We can pray anyway.

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Ami Anne
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posted April 22, 2011 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is very sweet,Mystic Melody.Thank you for saying that!

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posted April 22, 2011 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have apologized. And, I meant my apology. In fact, I am tired of feeling guilty for getting involved in a dilemma that was obviously a problem before I got here... and after.

I did NOT study the social structure before I started posting. I jumped headfirst into action... and for that I AM SORRY. I wish I hadn't.

I am also SORRY if any of you have felt wrongly judged by me. However, in my defense, my nature is to defend myself, and to defend people that I care about - I DO THIS INSTINCTIVELY.

Do you understand that, really, truly (other sun signs)? Probably not. For you, a loud mouth, a fighting instinct is all annoying traits, and vulgarity...

Can you possibly comprehend this being a natural state for many of us???

I can NOT change my instincts to get all fired up (not to mention, I DON'T WANT TO), however, if there's room for better adapted fire on my part where there are more harmonious avenues for me to utilize it, I would be happy to learn - from someone who does not insult me, condemn me, or basically shun me because I am different from them...

And, I would of course love to set down some roots here, to fall in love with some friendly people, to defend "the cause" etc.
But, until there's some structure, I feel lost in the confusion - as I'm sure a lot of people here do...

Yes, there's a lot to be said for taking personal integrity, and controlling everything that one says and does - but let's not forget that we also CAN bring out the best and worst in each other. Also, negative situations and thoughts have an effect on the sphere, too...

Veiled insults, neglecting, denying, shunning, backbiting, slander, etc. and a slew of other things lead to a negative environment, too...

So, I hope everyone takes a real close look at themselves, here... the spotlight may be on me, because I am the loudest, but I'm not the center-peg. I am the court jester. I am the loud roar, the burst of fire, the pyrotechnics... I'm not the main act.

Peace is for sure very idealistic - but likely we can strive for it IF WE ALL DO OUR BEST - and stop putting each other down.

That's all I got. I have no history to draw from, or good ideas past this, so you won't catch me preaching to the choir, anymore.

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Randall
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posted April 22, 2011 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, MM! That is probably the most beautiful post I've read on here in a long long time. It is exactly what I want Lindaland to be. Exactly. And I know Linda's Spirit is around this place. My love and respect for her is the driving force that keeps me moving on and keeping the flames burning here. Yes, many are here to just talk Astrology, and Linda would love this, but Lindaland is more than that. I just could not express it any better than you did.

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posted April 22, 2011 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think that although I read SUN SIGNS and appreciated what Linda Goodman had to say in many respects, I won't be converted into any sort of cult mentality.

And, this revering of anyone, an idolizing, if you will, definitely verges on that.

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posted April 22, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, if truely participating on this thread means I have to adopt the ways and thought of the Late Linda Goodman... I will peace out faster than you can blink your eyes, people.

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Randall
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posted April 22, 2011 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isa: 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Isa: 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isa: 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

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posted April 22, 2011 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one said you had to idolize Linda, PS.

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"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman

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posted April 22, 2011 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're quoting The Bible there, Randall...

Is that your way of telling me what to believe? What to adopt for myself? Because, I thought we just finished this chapter in Star Signs about false prophets and the mandating of spiritual growth for others...

Should I quote the entire paragraph?

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posted April 22, 2011 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, I was quoting that in reference to what MM said about the Lion and the Lamb.

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"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman

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posted April 22, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Nope, I was quoting that in reference to what MM said about the Lion and the Lamb.

But, why quote The Bible, Randall? Who here's a Christian, other than me... and Ami Anne?

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Ami Anne
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posted April 22, 2011 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Wow, MM! That is probably the most beautiful post I've read on here in a long long time. It is exactly what I want Lindaland to be. Exactly. And I know Linda's Spirit is around this place. My love and respect for her is the driving force that keeps me moving on and keeping the flames burning here. Yes, many are here to just talk Astrology, and Linda would love this, but Lindaland is more than that. I just could not express it any better than you did.

I learn so much ,here.Love feeds the spirit like food feeds the body.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this the true theme behind Lindaland, Randall? Is this what Lindaland is, word for word, what Mystic Melody said?

Was this the biggie that I missed in coming here? That the "in group" all aspires to be just like Linda Goodman?

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Mystic Melody
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posted April 22, 2011 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I can speak for many of us when I say we believe Linda is a Master Teacher, just as many of us believe Christ, Budda, and many others (Yoda even) are Master Teachers. Most of us, the core of us, do strive to be the the most loving and accepting that we can be as humans and this place has always been a place that respects and supports that... BECAUSE it is filled with Linda's Spirit, which we all admire greatly... and is what drew us here before there was any Google.
And yes, we ask you to accept that, though we tolerate and try to learn from All.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mystic Melody,

I will politely refrain from speaking with you on Lindaland, bonding, sharing, etc. until I get a better grip on this "Master Teacher" stuff...

As, I will not accept Linda Goodman as my Master Teacher...

My gut screams, "NOOOOO!"

So...

I'll have to just wrap my head around this more once Randall replies.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I've shared my personal discoveries of truth with you because I believe that any kind of search implies an obligation to exchange with others what has been found, in the interest of hastening the sunrise of harmony on Earth, the ultimate Peace.
However, I do not ask - nor do I even expect- any of you to regard my concepts as YOUR truth, unless they should happen to agree with your own personal enlightenment and private convictions.
Partial truth - the seeds of wisdom - can be found in many places. In primal instinct may partial truth be found.. in earthly law, social custom, scientific research, philosophy and religious doctrine. The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written.. especially in art, music and poetry... and, above all, in Nature.
But REAL truth can be found in one place only - in every man's and woman's communion with an eternal Source of hidden Knowledge within - which each individual must SEEK and FIND for himself or herself.
We may point out the path to others, but each must walk along that path alone - until every single "lost one" has made the whole journey - and all of us have finally reached the Light of full-born Wisdom at the end of the Way... where we began, a long-forgotten time ago."

~Linda Goodman

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posted April 22, 2011 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That quote is entirely contradictory to what you are making it be, Mystic Melody.

Linda Goodman said that others should not accept her way, unless it is appropriate.

You are making it mandatory.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, if THIS is true... that we must all accept the Master Teacher, Linda Goodman's books as OUR books, and OUR truth, and behave in a way that at all times speaks and honors the ways of Linda Goodman (that we are all essentially mini- Linda Goodman's)...

THEN THIS NEEDS TO GO IN THE DISCLAIMER!

Cuz, I didn't sign up for that. I joined because I appreciated Linda Goodman's books... they taught me a lot about astrology, which I like...

But, I am, in no way, going to accept the ways and teachings and behavior of this author.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Melody's post is just directed at newbies - my overly-sensitive self messaged her a few mornings ago, asking if I'd really missed something (after sort of joking about it here), because someone had just deleted me on FB - someone I liked.

I don't know what else has happened, and I don't think I want to. I don't know how to say that without sounding unsupportive (I keep getting a red line under that - it is a word, isn't it?) - listening is one thing, I'm just doing my best to not get into the middle of anything again.

I'm crampy and sleepy. I'll see you elsewhere, Melody.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS, you don't have to consider Linda a Teacher any more than I have to be a Christian, or any other belief system...or lack thereof. We actually do have lots of Christians here. And I find the Bible to be filled with wisdom, especially Proverbs. You and Ami are just the most vocal ones. But yeah, this is a Linda site, and some of us feel a bond with her through her writing. Sun Signs is my least fave of her books. It was good, but it lacked that personal touch. I found it a bit sterile compared to her others, especially Gooberz. Linda would not want to be idolized or worshipped, and that is not what I want to embody here, but each of us can decide what Linda means to us and to what extent...if at all. To me, she saved my life. Literally. And I run Lindaland to keep her name alive. But Linda said not to believe anything she wrote about, but to run it through your own belief system. So, hero-worship is not something she would have wanted. Still, she is my hero. I would gladly send you a copy of Gooberz, PS, if you would read it, and then you would see more of why we love Linda so much. Her heart pours out on every page of her poetry. Few can read Gooberz without crying on almost every page--both sad tears and tears of joy. Linda opens up her life and shares her pain...from the loss of her true love to the loss of her three young children. That's why we feel that we know her. And, in my humble opinion, it's not so much that she is a Master Teacher as it is that she sythesized information for us that was found elsewhere and made it simple so that anyone could understand and then make their own determination as to if and how it applied to their lives. That's my take anyway.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The predicted cataclysms, should they come, should we be unable to prevent them, have been set into motion by many forces of darkness... by the underground testing of immense destructive energies... by the negative vibrations of the current waves of sexual promiscuity and lewdness in magazines and film, abusing and degrading sex to its lowest level... the gorging greed for financial gain... the selfish refusal to share our money, our food or our love with one another. "If everyone ate simply, everyone would eat." The need for sex, like the need for food, is a burning hunger all over the world. But sharing our love does not mean sharing our bodies in sensual group sexual experience. Gluttony is not the answer, to EITHER kind of hunger." p.7

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"Yes, it is time for a Messiah. A Wayshower, who will once again remind us of the basic lessons of love he taught before, so soon forgotten. For it makes no difference how far an individual or nation has fallen into error; love will bring a renewed dedication to humanity. Just as it makes no difference how far away someone has gone, for love will bring a return. As poet, Emmet Fox noted, when it is projected with sufficient intensity, there is no distance that love cannot span, no illness--moral, mental, emotional or spiritual--that love cannot heal. No victory that love cannot win. Love is concentrated kinetic energy, the most awesome force in nature...and beyond Her.

If only you could love deeply enough and sustain love long enough, you could become the source of your own miracles, as powerful as the ancient "gods and goddeses." There is no dream you couldn't turn into a reality, no law you can't change, no situation you can't reverse--if only you could love enough.

Loving enough is not easy. Loving enough doesn't mean loving only those who love you, who are kind and considerate and generous. Loving enough means also loving those who 'say all manner of evil against you,' who hate you and actively demonstrate that hatred, who seemingly lack all compassion and sensitivity. Anyone can return the love of those who love him--or her. There's little glory or power in that kind of love. We are incarnated in these flesh bodies on Earth to learn love's deeper, more difficult lesson of loving the unlovable. In this accomplishment lies all the force and energy of true passion. More often than not, it's a painful effort, but the rewards, when it's mastered, are...beyond imagining. Never mind unnecessary religious 'canonization'--you, too, can become a 'saint,'--if you can love enough.

Who among us is not, at times, unlovable? And are not these the very times when we secretly yearn and need to be loved the most? Oh! the magic of receiving kindness in return from one to whom we have been unkind...the miracle of hearing, when we have said: 'I'm sorry I said such cruel things,' the answer: 'What cruel things? I didn't hear them.'

Then the heart bursts with joy and our cup runneth over. For this most ancient alchemy secret of all is such a simple secret. If it was negative, it didn't happen--except in the world of illusion.

And so, may the Force...of Love...be with you. May it prevent the predicted cataclysms of Nature, as well as the personal cataclysms of separation and divorce, through its prisms of Light."

by Linda Goodman
from: Linda Goodman's "Love Signs"
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posted April 22, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are over-reacting, PS. Most people here have never read a Linda book at all.

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posted April 22, 2011 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You are over-reacting, PS. Most people here have never read a Linda book at all.

No, I'm taking Mystic at her words... if an entire group has dismissed me because I am un-Linda-like... not only is that unfair, but I will most certainly NEVER WIN and will have to contend with a group of people who DO and have admittedly believed that, through Mystic's words, that I am an outsider, unworthy of respect, because I do not emulate Linda Goodman...

The proof is right there in the words.

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