posted April 24, 2011 10:43 AM            

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"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death."

Linda Goodman

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All deaths are suicides. I love this quote because it makes people attempt to fool themselves that this cannot be true.

Do you think with your drug taking, being open to catching disease, and risk taking with your life, that you might unconsciously be wishing for this?

posted April 24, 2011 10:47 AM            

I can fully agree with the statement that people who do these things are letting themselves die much quicker than a person who does not harm their body.

I started all this after a bad period in my life, when I felt very low. I still do not know why I smoke, and I have just started to get this quote in my head.

posted April 24, 2011 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I'm a long time smoker, and have also taken drugs too. Drugs which affect my brain and also my lungs. Drugs which are not healthy.

I can fully agree with the statement that people who do these things are letting themselves die much quicker than a person who does not harm their body.

I started all this after a bad period in my life, when I felt very low. I still do not know why I smoke, and I have just started to get this quote in my head.

Although, seeing the world as it really is, I can see why commiting suicide is an option, one that I will not take consciously.

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I have hated myself for my whole life(or the great majority of it)
THAT is a way of committing suicide too

posted April 24, 2011 11:42 AM            

Indeed,
as death is inevitable,
so is Life.
The Cyclictic Circle in continuance Circles....
The Birth, Growth, Life and the atrophy of IT
outgrows itself beyond IT's form
thus ending in a New Birth
we call death?

Merely Words
to portray the portals
of our Conscious Existence,
here and now.

These definitions and terms, we can discuss,
simply are concepts that make it easier to
standUnder our existence, here and now.

But in fact, they are a" belief system"
that is quite paralleled to the linear "time" system
instilled into Humanity at some juncture
in our short existence....

The Sun rises.
The Sun moves across the Sky (our Lives)
and the Sun sets.

One Life.

When, in fact, we know Now
IT is us
who are moving
through Time and Space...
only experiencing the Sun
appearing to rotate.

We are evolving through this Experience
and through our vessels.....the body.

"Believing" that Time and Life
are linear and finite
presupposes us
to the notions and ideas
that we are born,
we live
and we die;
encapsulating us in a "Life Time" of
immediacy and emergency,
frantically searching to unturn every stone
and "find" ourselves and our " purpose"
in the very short time we think we have here.

The phrases
" you only live once" and "enjoy it while you can"
come to Mind,
whilst we suffer and endure
the religious tenets and dogmas
that instill and promote:
guilt, blame, denial, rationalization and FEAR
of the consequences of our earthly actions,
here and now.
Living for yet another time and space?

Releasing such notions and freeing the Mind
in turn,
releases the body and Spirit
to standUnder .....
that we are All a part of the Whole
and cannot be any.... less than the Whole.

Not remembering "being born"
we are here.
And if we do not remember being born,
you certainly will NOT remember "dying".

Who is to say,
we are not being born and dying,
in every single breath we take?

Perpetual suicide.

My contention is to Live Life as you see fit,
but consciously harm no one else.

All will Be well.

IT all ways Is.

posted May 07, 2011 11:18 AM            

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" you only live once" and "enjoy it while you can"

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While I may take this out of context in your post which answered the bit I was not hoping for an answer for, I can only think that while people think like this, only living once is much more of an incentive to take good care of yourself, by not committing suicide.

There must be people here who smoke, drink heavily, take drugs, and put themselves into dangerous groups and situations which mean a much shorter life than they anticipated.

I don't take good care of myself in the physical health way, so not really looking to tell people I told you so. I'm looking for people to take responsibility for the actions they take towards the ultimate goal of committing slow suicide. Maybe I might change one or two peoples minds about the actions they take, making them realise the actions they are taking themselves.

That was my intention.

Can the smokers and slow suicide people come out of the darkness and shed some light on why they do not wish to recognise this on a public forum such as this, please?

posted May 08, 2011 04:09 AM            

I know sometimes for various reasons people find life just too hard to bear and after trying everything they realise they don't want to go on.
And they carefully plan the act. Maybe that is a choice and it will still be your choice.

But I have always felt that in this case, if there is an afterlife (and I believe there is) that you will arrive shocked and angry but realising that you made a dreadful mistake and want to undo it.
But you won't be able to.
And that I feel will be Hell.
And I can't stop thinking about this poor soul.

My sister had a dream about someone she knew once who didn't actually commit suicide but was hit by a vehicle and died instantly.
He was always a bit of a wheeler dealer and in this dream (more a visitation) she saw him desperately trying to bribe his way back saying " I shouldn't be here" and "Let me go back in anyway possible" and that he wasn't "allowed".
She said it was really painful.

I can't stop thinking about this poor lad and all the other poor souls.
My daughter lives in London and she says almost every day....EVERY DAY....someone throws themselves in front of the tube.

posted May 08, 2011 08:11 AM            

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Can the smokers and slow suicide people come out of the darkness and shed some light on why they do not wish to recognise this on a public forum such as this, please?

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I will say I would, if given a conscious choice, choose a physical smoking/drinking death than a spiritual death.

A rotting from the inside out by hate, prejudice, backbiting, gossipy endeavors that cause others pain and suffering.

That is suicide of the nth degree.

And yes I smoke... is it a form of suicide?? It may be for "me" or it may not be. I recken that`s between God and me

posted May 08, 2011 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I agree with you, Juni. And, no, I do not think smoking is suicide.

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posted May 08, 2011 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I guess for me, it would be suicide via chocolate and starburst chewy sweets. I've been eating too much sweet stuff, what with birthdays, Easter, and a chocolate orange that was discovered in a cabinet. I'm off to have a little chocolate ice cream...

I don't smoke, do drugs, drink much, or put myself into dangerous situations.

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Just sweeties then?

posted May 08, 2011 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
For the most part when I experimented I was experimenting and hoping to learn & enjoy as opposed to kill myself. As for risk taking I suppose in part it was just I was young but in one major case it was because I was avoiding a fate worse than death.

So no, I wasn't wishing for suicide back when I was messing around. I consider myself lucky in retrospect that things turned out relatively well but I was just growing up.

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OK, I understand.

What about the notion that smoking is a killer and people lighting up would know this unconsciously, but may not consciously recognise this fact, labelling it just temporary relief and experimentation?

posted May 08, 2011 09:34 PM            

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What about the notion that smoking is a killer and people lighting up would know this unconsciously, but may not consciously recognise this fact, labelling it just temporary relief and experimentation?

Think as deep as possible please, if you feel ok doing this.[/B]

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Any notion can possibly be true in the right situation. But it also seems to me that your notion could easily expand into all kinds of unhealthy behaviors, such as eating at McDonalds.

posted May 10, 2011 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I guess for me, it would be suicide via chocolate and starburst chewy sweets.

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LOL! I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh in such a serious discuss but I love the way you're so specific with the description. Just my kind of humour!

I am similar in that I have never smoked or tried drugs at all, I hardly drink and if I do, it is not outdoors where most dangers are, I don't put myself in dangerous situations. Where I suppose I do put myself at risk, is in looking after my son. I'd jump in front of an oncoming bus if I could save him from being hit..... And also, I am very stressed and anxious, so that could, I suppose kill me or lead me to an early grave - but I can't see anything I can do to avoid being stressed and anxious with my current life situation.

posted May 10, 2011 05:23 PM            

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I'm looking for people to take responsibility for the actions they take towards the ultimate goal of committing slow suicide. Maybe I might change one or two peoples minds about the actions they take, making them realise the actions they are taking themselves.

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I live a wanton and reckless lifestyle full of a multitude of suicidal sins.

I work outside in the cancer causing sun, breath the polluted air,drink dangerous amounts of well (*gasp* hard minerals) water.

I have been known to indulge in eating meat that has eaten grass drenched in acid rain, take medications as prescribed by licentious Drs. and eat sugary yummies..

After a day of all this and the humidity is high, I pour a nice cold cocktail and sit under a metal roof that may be oozing enough ozides to harm something living. Final nail is that cigarette I add to the cocktail and home made pie .

Tomorrow is another day and the good Lord willing and the creeks don`t rise, I`ll be here to see the sun rise again