posted August 05, 2012 05:55 AM            

I don`t know if you come here, but I did not want to post this thread on the astroforum, cause it is not going to contain a lot of astrology.

But I saw your thread about the picture threads (which are just the tip of the icebberg), but it was already closed, so I couldnīt say anything on there.

I just want to let you know that I totally agree with you. I tried to point it out myself in the Kristen Stewart thread.

Persoanlly I couldnīt care less if people exchanged pictures or gossip about cheating celebrities, and if they want to do newspaper astrology - fine (not my cup of tea, but to each their own).

for me the problem with that is that if I come to the astroforum I expect ASTROLOGY (and not the superficial kind - maybe my expectations are too high in that regard).

There are STILL threads that contain good astrological discussions, but with the amount of picture and gossip threads all mingled into this forum, it becomes very difficult to even FIND these threads I personally value a lot more.

What I find so annoying about it is that it wouldnīt need to be that way, cause we HAVE forums for a more personal exchange, for chit-chat, pictures, getting to know each other etc.

Why crowding the astroforum with that? (and no, to tell someone - "oh you have a round face, you must be ruled by the Moon" does not qualify as in-depth-astrology)

I think the reason is rather pragmatic, the astroforum is still one of the most visited forums, or at least the forum with most posts (I think so at least) - so any thread there will probably get more attention than somewhere else (except for GU probably).

That is how I explain the presence of all these chit-chat-threads (which can be quite fun actually, sometimes), which are connected to astrology by a pretty thin astrological thread, probably just to justify its nature as "having to do with astrology".

Like you I am coming here much less often than I used to do. Actually I have started to only communicate to very few members and are looking out for their threads and posts. There are still some very good astrologers here with very interesting astrological ideas, that I feel stimulate my own thinking and I can learn from them and gain a lot through the exchange.
They are just getting harder and harder to find in the flood of the other stuff posted here.

Anyway, just wanted to give my opinion and let you know that you are not on your own with your opinion on that topic, even if it might have seem so on the other thread.

posted August 05, 2012 06:16 AM            

I can put some of my articles up, but I was thinking that people were sick of them.
So, I stopped putting mine up. However, they did offer food for discussion of serious topic, though.

I will put some up, as it may focus some threads to specific astrological topics. We can see if that helps.

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posted August 05, 2012 09:48 AM            

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Now,THIS type of thread... Leads nowhere,either dealing with the obvious or plainly moralizing and therefore unproductive.

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posted August 06, 2012 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

Now,THIS type of thread... Leads nowhere,either dealing with the obvious or plainly moralizing and therefore unproductive.

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You didnīt get my intention for opening this thread, even though I wrote it out.

Two reasons:

1. I wanted to express my opinion
2. I wanted to let Birdy know that I agree with her.

I donīt need to be educated or convinced or anything like that. Quite honestly where is the problem with having different opinions on something?

But as it reads: "Et altera pars audiatur". That`s what I intended. Nothing more. Nothing less.

posted August 06, 2012 06:11 PM            

However, I only read one thread started by Birdy (the one titled "okay").
I didn`t really see where she was rude there, though granted a bit blunt and very frustrated (as it came across to me).
But she didnīt attack anyone personally; as far as I understood it she called the behaviour superficial, not the people per se, which is a difference in my book.

You said that there is a place for any of the behaviour on LL. Serious. Deep. fun. gossip etc.

And I agree with you, that is what makes LL special, and it is a HUGE community from all over the world so different cultural "unwritten laws" come together and sometimes it makes it difficult (though very very valuable at the same time).

however, as I understood it there are different sections on LL, different forum for different orientation of topic.

I just wished that the astrological topics on the astroforum sometimes would contain more astrology.
I do remember that I myself had quite fun at the "Godzala"-threads, which definitely were anything but deep.

Actually there was a bit of astrology in there as well; yet I totally agree(d) that the amount of astrology as compared to the other stuff didn`t qualify these particular topics as "astro-topics", and I just find this to be the case with several current topics on the astroforum as well.

Of course the organisation of LL and its forum is totally your decision; I just wanted to voice my opinion, as first of all that is a character trait of mine that I always have to comment something, even if it was better to keep quiet (well I learned to keep my mouth shut in more situations than I used to), but I also saw that Birdy was pretty much on her own with her opinion, and no matter how this opinion was being expressed, I wanted to express that I generally agree with the content of her statement.

posted August 06, 2012 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
@Ceridwen
I can remember "dear diary" type of threads from the moment I came here. And,"Pisces and type of shoes you like" thread and pretty much every other on-surface astrology topic. So? Sure,it can be tiresome but not as tiresome when we have a good conversation but we choose not to astro-follow it through,which is something that happens all the time. That can be downright infuriating.
Then,if you expect new theories,you have to bear in mind that not everybody sees it as a discipline to be studied,and just settles down to astrology that satisfies their needs (most of which are of love nature) and they can't offer something new. Not just those who are novices but even those who have been dealing with astrology for a long time. And you have those who sprout new theories for the sake of it. You have an astro passion.Others don't,young or old. I am always ready for any type of astro banter. However,when ship has sailed,it has sailed,and that's it. And some threads don't receive replies,but it doesn't mean it is personal (the gif birdy posted is suggestive of that) . Simple as that.

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Now,THIS type of thread... Leads nowhere,either dealing with the obvious or plainly moralizing and therefore unproductive.

As I like to say,isn't it swell when you see the bad,so you know how good you are...

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posted August 06, 2012 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

You didnīt get my intention for opening this thread, even though I wrote it out.

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That wasn't meant for you, I used *** to separate response to you,and my opinion in general :
Which is,that when you make waves,(and this type of threads are always like that) you never know how big a whirl you will create,and your good intentions ( Which I don't question) could turn on you,and suck you in.

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posted August 07, 2012 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Birdy titled one as "LL" and put a toilet and toilet paper gif in it that I had to edit out. When you do something like that, the opinion gets drowned out by the drama.

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Oh, I hadnīt seen that one.

posted August 07, 2012 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
That wasn't meant for you, I used *** to separate response to you,and my opinion in general :
Which is,that when you make waves,(and this type of threads are always like that) you never know how big a whirl you will create,and your good intentions ( Which I don't question) could turn on you,and suck you in.

Sorry if I annoyed you with that...!

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I clearly misunderstood you there, and I am glad I did.

posted August 07, 2012 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Ceri is never rude. I have never seen her be anything but gracious. Everyone could learn by her example, myself included

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Thank you, Ami.

But to be honest, sometimes it is difficult to not start shouting myself. I just know that usually it is not worth it and will not have any positive effect (except for letting off steam for me) and I try to put myself in other`s shoes, even if I still maintain my own position.

posted August 07, 2012 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Thank you, Ami.

But to be honest, sometimes it is difficult to not start shouting myself. I just know that usually it is not worth it and will not have any positive effect (except for letting off steam for me) and I try to put myself in other`s shoes, even if I still maintain my own position.

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Very wise words, Ceri.

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posted August 07, 2012 10:50 AM            

I'm actually glad you made this post.

First off... I don't post much, in general..
I'm sure most don't even recognize or know who I am! But, I started reading the forum a good 5-6 years ago before I joined. There IS a difference in the topics then and now... I learned so much! But I was just 15/16 and beginning my journey in Astrology, mind you. I, too, can understand the frustration "birdy" and you, as well as maybe some others (who don't want to voice it) can feel at times with the topics. I feel I'm beyond novice, yet still in a phase where I'm craving to learn. But, deeper. More complex things. But alas, not all want that or are there. And I'm not complaining! To each their own. As Randall said... I'm respectful and just skip over the posts that I have nothing to contribute to. Which is why I guess I don't post much, altogether.

Anyway... I love your posts! You're one of the one's I've learned so much from! As well as Lonake (her biggest fan ) & Taineberry, Lotus White, Miss Ami, iQ.. and others! (I know I'm forgetting some.)

**Oh! VenusDiSirius.. so impressed with your ASC knowledge. Have you ever made a post where you individually described what you've noticed about each of them? I'd favorite it SO quick!**

posted August 07, 2012 12:11 PM            

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posted August 07, 2012 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I clearly misunderstood you there, and I am glad I did.

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There,all well!

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Originally posted by Oliviaaa:
**Oh! VenusDiSirius.. so impressed with your ASC
knowledge. Have you ever made a post where you
individually described what you've noticed about each of
them? I'd favorite it SO quick!**

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posted August 07, 2012 11:09 PM            

I hope birdy sees this thread. And I agree with you--I read that one thread of hers in astro 2.0 and I felt that she was just expressing her frustration bluntly ... something which many members have done (by being even ruder than her).

But back to the point being discussed ... here's my 2 pennies worth

I don't mind those "light" astrology more-of-a-social-thing kinda threads ... but only when I have time.

Like Oliviaa said ...did I get the right # of a's in your name Olivia? Gosh you have so many LOL.

Anywho, like Oliviaa said, by paying attention to the more serious astrological threads, in the past few months, I feel I've learned a fair amount quickly. Even tho I'm nowhere near the level I'd like to be at, I still feel that reading all those serious astro threads helped me quite a bit in my main goal of joining LL.

Due to limited time, I'd like to be able to find threads of interest quickly instead of having to sift, sort, and wade through stuff which wouldn't help me in the long run.

Not that I mind the social aspect of it. Hardly LOL. I love to laugh and would stop by anytime for a chat with other members. And I do sometimes. I would do it more if I had more time.

But here's the main thing I see going on--
These light threads have a much higher turnover rate than the more serious threads. Meaning they have a quick posting response by members. Sure we all like to be distracted by something fun.

But the slower moving threads (the more in depth astro ones) tend to get left behind, so they get pushed out of immediate view.

I've read posts by other members on different threads complaining or being critical of the lighter threads and calling them "fluff" etc., and not astrology related.

So yes some members are definitely frustrated by the mix-up of the more serious threads with the lighter threads. And as is the nature of people, for every one member who voices his/her frustration, I'm sure there are 7-10 who keep quiet and hold their frustration in.

I can see both sides of the situation. So without making EITHER side "wrong" for anything, I have a suggestion--

Why not start a separate forum for the "lighter" astrology threads, and give it a catchy name like--

The Lighter Side of Astrology, OR

The Laughter Side of Astrology, OR

The LL Astrology Party Place, OR

... well you get the idea!

And then post this forum right below the Astro 2.0 and the Astrology forum titles (above the Asteroid Forum title) at the top of the Forum page.

Under the title, one could find a description along the lines of "Light astrology discussions where members can get together over *a cup of tea* to discuss their favorite celebrity, fashion, clothing, shoes, post their pics and guess each other' ascendants"

We girls need this type of atmosphere--where we can just relax, let our hair down, and chat sometimes. And a separate forum would be a perfect place to do it without annoying anyone who's in the mood for more serious astrology.

I've even thought about the idea of moving the lighter threads to some of the other existing threads, but again because of the higher posting response, these threads would drown out the topics in those other forums too.

So I think it would make sense to give them a separate room so to speak, close enough to the main astro room so that people could easily pop back and forth between the 2 forums if they wanted, but separate enough that threads can be more organized.

My apologies for using so MANY words (as usual LOL) to explain my thoughts.

posted August 07, 2012 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hi Oliviia

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Hi Miss Ami.

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Thanks,very kind of you And,no,I haven't,still long way to go until that point

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No problem! Mean it. Ahh, and I remembered.. you're a fellow Libra rising sister, too! But okkkkk... I'll patiently wait until you do.

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Like Oliviaa said ...did I get the right # of a's in your name Olivia? Gosh you have so many LOL.

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Linda Jones! Ahhaaa... I know.. 3 a's.. alot. When I was signing up, I first tried just "Olivia".. but it was taken. Then tried "OliviaA".. but that was taken too. So by then I was just , oh whatEVER.. I'll add one more "a" and see... hahaha, and it wasn't taken! I suppose I wasn't feeling particularly creative that day either, ok! But plain Olivia is fine by me.

posted August 08, 2012 04:57 AM            

And I agree with you, not all want the same thing, which is why I thought Linda Jones suggestion was a GREAT one.

posted August 08, 2012 05:02 AM            

I see the problem, but isn`t it always a difficulty to decide which forum is fitting?

For me personally a good guideline is that if less than about half of the postings in a thread are even containing astrology I wouldnīt consider it really an astrological thread.

But that is just my personal impression (I did not actively count ).

About the search function, is there a way to make the search engine for Lindaland a "sticky topic"?
EDIT:
Never mind. I found it.
sometimes I must be pretty blind. lol