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LightofPluto
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posted December 20, 2012 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LightofPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been learning a lot about DNA and how our traits are passed on and i've started to realize that females are a bit superior in a lot of things.
For example, the x chromosome has more DNA and is more dominant than the y chromosome. Another interesting tidbit is that males are more likely to have problems like color blindness. Females have better peripheral vision as well and we have 52 types of body language while guys have only 10. Sorry guys, not trying to be mean, I just want to see people's opinions on this bit of info.

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posted December 20, 2012 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thats what they keep telling us.. even though men invented just about every thing we use today, but we are apparently behind the times ...not knocking women or anything,but i think our culture wants women to be better then men. schools are now catering more towards girls styles of learning and wonder why boys are falling behind.

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posted December 20, 2012 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a really strange question.
Of course there are gender differences.. but the word 'advanced' is completely out of place.
There are other areas where men fare better than women.. whether it's due to biological predisposition or conditioning.

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posted December 20, 2012 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquaguy, certainly you have some data to support that? !

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posted December 20, 2012 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Statistically women have more advance degrees than men and have a higher threshold for pain as well as being able to nurse other offspring in cases were the maternal mother is unable to nurse her offspring. So yes women are more advanced than men in certain ways.

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posted December 20, 2012 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette, we agree here

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posted December 20, 2012 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Statistically women have more advance degrees than men and have a higher threshold for pain as well as being able to nurse other offspring in cases were the maternal mother is unable to nurse her offspring.

Where did you get those statistics? Because they are completely untrue. Its true that more and more women these days are enrolled in post secondary education institutions but the number of set affirmed "geniuses" and doctorates is still male dominated.

Now, one could make the blah argument that this all because of "male dominance culture repressing females" blah blah blah (which would be untrue given the fact that funding for advanced placement programs is even ended.)

But in actuality, the things that make men the "carnal base of evil" in this world (i.e. aggressive, brash, competitive) is also the reason why there are more guys who are "geniuses."

Women in general occupy the median baseline when it comes to I.Q. ratings where as with guys, its polar. They are either really really smart... Or just really really dumb .

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posted December 20, 2012 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Xodian:
Where did you get those statistics? Because they are completely untrue. Its true that more and more women these days are enrolled in post secondary education institutions but the number of set affirmed "geniuses" and doctorates is still male dominated.

Now, one could make the blah argument that this all because of "male dominance culture repressing females" blah blah blah (which would be untrue given the fact that funding for advanced placement programs is even ended.)

But in actuality, the things that make men the "carnal base of evil" in this world (i.e. aggressive, brash, competitive) is also the reason why there are more guys who are "geniuses."

Women in general occupy the medium baseline when it comes to I.Q. ratings where as with guys, its polar. They are either really really smart... Or just really really dumb .



Here: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/education/cb10-55.html

Wow you responded as if my comment was a bat to your scrotum. Why does it bother you, if your a intelligent man with a high IQ then you shouldn't be fazed by my commentary. I didn't say anything about "confirmed" geniuses only advanced degree holders. Nor did I "demonize" men in my statement you stated that.

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posted December 20, 2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Aquaguy, certainly you have some data to support that? !


well, mens achievements speak for themselves. and schools leaning more towards female learning strengths? all you gotta do is look at the schools nowadays. christina hoff sommers wrote a really good book titled"the war on boys". interestingly enough she is a feminist.

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posted December 20, 2012 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:

Here: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/education/cb10-55.html

Wow you responded as if my comment was a bat to your scrotum. Wow you responded as if my comment was a bat to your scrotum. Why does it bother you, if your a intelligent man with a high IQ then you shouldn't be fazed by my commentary. I didn't say anything about "confirmed" geniuses only advanced degree holders. Nor did I "demonize" men in my statement you stated that.


Actually I responded in a similar manner that you gals pretty much would if the information presented was "skeptical" . But lets not get bogged down with semantics. Why are you insinuating that I took the attack personally? Was it your intention of aim the proverbial bat at my scrotum ?

Offcourse it doesn't bothers me. Hell I would be DELIGHTED if more and more women would follow through more technical based degrees such as medical sciences, Engineering, etc. My wife for instance is currently finishing her MD certification . All the more power to women like her.

And the link you provided gives me hope. I am happy that there are more and more young women entering the work force with advance degrees under their belt. But I wonder though... What are the statistical results of groups beyond the age of 29?

I for instance am a Master's Degree holder and I need fair amount of experience before I can even begin to write my thesis statement for my PHD. I need to look at the breakdown of the statistics more before finalizing a viewpoint on the findings.


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posted December 20, 2012 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/07/16/women-beat-men-on-iq-tests-for-first-time/

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posted December 20, 2012 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_gfs.pdf

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posted December 20, 2012 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I expected, the dominance of the post-secondary degrees are related mostly to law, and medical fields with women dominating men in biomedical research programs.

That much I knew and I am VERY pleased about that! I would like more women to be involved with this.

However, sadly enough, its not true for computer sciences programs and Engineering (fields that NEED more women in it.) I particularly want to see more and more women involved with computer sciences given the world we live in is now the information age.

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posted December 20, 2012 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 20, 2012 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LightofPluto:
Sorry guys, not trying to be mean, I just want to see people's opinions on this bit of info.

I'm pretty sure you meant to say "Now that I've chummed the waters I just want you all to entertain me."

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posted December 20, 2012 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Though now that I think about it I recall when I spent some time with some radical feminists (I'm talking so radical that a few were a little bit wanted by one of the alphabet agencies) there was talk of a "conspiracy of women" that had infiltrated medical organizations, even the CDC, and they were secretly working to eliminate the Y-chromosome as they saw it as a disease that humanity needed to be cured from, and also no longer necessary for reproduction (either that or were trying to take care of that problem as well, I forget). I never met any of these so-called women (though the ever popular and bat-guano crazy Valerie Solanas did mention a need to do that in her SCUM Manifesto) so I don't know how much truth there was to it...I find it believable that there may be a dozen like that, not enough to really do anything, but the OP just made me wonder if she hadn't just been approached by such a member of the supposed conspiracy (or at least "in the know") I heard about (as they said similar things about why the Y-chromosome was more of a liability than asset, that is males were women afflicted with a genetic disorder).

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posted December 20, 2012 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Though now that I think about it I recall when I spent some time with some radical feminists (I'm talking so radical that a few were a little bit wanted by one of the alphabet agencies) there was talk of a "conspiracy of women" that had infiltrated medical organizations, even the CDC, and they were secretly working to eliminate the Y-chromosome as they saw it as a disease that humanity needed to be cured from, and also no longer necessary for reproduction (either that or were trying to take care of that problem as well, I forget). I never met any of these so-called women (though the ever popular and bat-guano crazy Valerie Solanas did mention a need to do that in her SCUM Manifesto) so I don't know how much truth there was to it...I find it believable that there may be a dozen like that, not enough to really do anything, but the OP just made me wonder if she hadn't just been approached by such a member of the supposed conspiracy I heard about.

some of the wackos are mainstream, maureen dowd wrote for the new york times(im not sure if she still does) and she wrote a book titled" are men really neccesary?" you can find it in bookstores.

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posted December 20, 2012 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:

Here: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/education/cb10-55.html

That just proves that this days there are more woman interested in higher education than man...and i can agree with that. Those statistics are from 2009 - might be around 70% by now. ^^ I'm not really surprised taking in consideration "the toys of today" - which are more entertaining for man than for woman... starting with console gaming and of course "the internet... and PORN".

How is that - one might ask (especially a woman)?

Well, it's quite simple actually.... back till '80's - '90's - not to mention "the previous years" - porn was limited to magazines and video cassettes, most men had just magazines to entertain themselves - wile even those that had a VCR's had just 1 or 2 cassettes with porn on them... Well, all that changed with the introduction of "high speed internet..." when - the porn industry in terms "free content" increased beyond the imagination of any human being... maybe even if we take the imagination of all humanity and put it together - it can't contemplate on the vastness of porn that's out there since then...

Still not following me? ...still confused? ^^

...let's go back in time... back to our ancestors - cause even tho we evolved from a technological point of view - the man of today "still has a hunter gatherer brain"...and the opposite sex - as in "woman" - was/is our primal motivation in improving ourselves... that's the way nature intended. Basically - it all comes down to this: back in the old days - a man would have access to a limited number of females which was mainly related to his status in society. Same rules apply to the man of today - yet "porn" changed all that... even tho it wasn't that dangerous till 80's - 90's - it got very dangerous after high-speed internet became available...

Dangerous, how come (one might ask)?

Simple - porn gets men less motivated in to achieving higher status - which wasn't the case with the men of the old days... a young man can have access to more female content in 5 minutes than our ancestors could in several lifetimes... the man brain was simply not made for porn and here's a detail explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDFsLi2oBk As a result of that - more and more woman of today feel like they need to be self-sufficient... in case you haven't noticed - marriage is not a priority anymore...

So, hey... maybe you take pride in more woman being interested in higher education - yet all that proves is that - the interest of men got lower from this point of view... and that should worry you. Since woman can't really switch places with men - it's not like you'll see men giving birth to babies any time soon ^^... yet "they can switch roles" - so if on top of being a woman, you wanna be the one that provides for the family as well... what can i say: "be careful what you wish for, cause it might come true!" - and many woman wished they'd be more like man - wished the power of men... but "wishes can be tricky" - they got what they wanted but not how they wanted it.

Poor woman.

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posted December 21, 2012 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have to give women some credit, they are always well prepared for battle. i have never met a woman who didnt have a drawer full of double barreled slingshots, heck they even wear one on their person at all times.the strange thing is i cant recall ever seeing a woman use one, i think that speaks volumes about their loving and forgiving nature.

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posted December 21, 2012 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That just proves that this days there are more woman interested in higher education than man...and i can agree with that. Those statistics are from 2009 - might be around 70% by now. ^^ I'm not really surprised taking in consideration "the toys of today" - which are more entertaining for man than for woman... starting with console gaming and of course "the internet... and PORN".

How is that - one might ask (especially a woman)?

Well, it's quite simple actually.... back till '80's - '90's - not to mention "the previous years" - porn was limited to magazines and video cassettes, most men had just magazines to entertain themselves - wile even those that had a VCR's had just 1 or 2 cassettes with porn on them... Well, all that changed with the introduction of "high speed internet..." when - the porn industry in terms "free content" increased beyond the imagination of any human being... maybe even if we take the imagination of all humanity and put it together - it can't contemplate on the vastness of porn that's out there since then...

Still not following me? ...still confused? ^^

...let's go back in time... back to our ancestors - cause even tho we evolved from a technological point of view - the man of today "still has a hunter gatherer brain"...and the opposite sex - as in "woman" - was/is our primal motivation in improving ourselves... that's the way nature intended. Basically - it all comes down to this: back in the old days - a man would have access to a limited number of females which was mainly related to his status in society. Same rules apply to the man of today - yet "porn" changed all that... even tho it wasn't that dangerous till 80's - 90's - it got very dangerous after high-speed internet became available...

Dangerous, how come (one might ask)?

Simple - porn gets men less motivated in to achieving higher status - which wasn't the case with the men of the old days... a young man can have access to more female content in 5 minutes than our ancestors could in several lifetimes... the man brain was simply not made for porn and here's a detail explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDFsLi2oBk As a result of that - more and more woman of today feel like they need to be self-sufficient... in case you haven't noticed - marriage is not a priority anymore...

So, hey... maybe you take pride in more woman being interested in higher education - yet all that proves is that - the interest of men got lower from this point of view... and that should worry you. Since woman can't really switch places with men - it's not like you'll see men giving birth to babies any time soon ^^... yet "they can switch roles" - so if on top of being a woman, you wanna be the one that provides for the family as well... what can i say: "be careful what you wish for, cause it might come true!" - and many woman wished they'd be more like man - wished the power of men... but "wishes can be tricky" - they got what they wanted but not how they wanted it.

Poor woman.


you wanna know why boys are losing interest in school? lmao it has nothing to do with porn and everything to do with how our boys are treated in school.. i know first hand, you see i started school in the mid 90s when more and more boys were being labeled adhd , autistic ,aspergers etc. for simply being... boys! curious, hyper,having a probing intellect and always asking questions,
independent... who ever heard of boys being those things? that cant be normal! anyways lots of normal boys were labeled learning disabled and medicated and put in special classes because it became politically incorrect to be a boy. schools are not catering to boys learning styles any more, is it any wonder so.many boys have lost interest in school? i know i sure did lol.

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posted December 21, 2012 01:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i was one of the boys who was labeled as learning disabled and put in a special class because i was having trouble learning how to read. this is what happens to alot of boys nowaday, they are made to feel stupid and get discouraged and lose interest in schooling. luckily my mom always read to me at home, my favorite book was"where the wild things are" and she read that to me almost everynight and you know what happened? after hearing her read it to me so many times i memorized it word for word... and i had no trouble reading from that moment on, i wasnt learning disabled or stupid at all, i just had my own unique style of learning. i ended up reading at a sophomore in college level by 6th grade, not too shabby huh? i was one of the lucky ones, but i could have easily been one of the boys who fell through the cracks.

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posted December 21, 2012 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Schools mess up many kids, not just boys.

Though I was placed in a special class as well, a behavior related one called ABC (Adaptive Behavior Class) which was almost all boys (only 2 other girls besides me). But it makes sense to me that boys would get targeted more often because they tend to be far more openly aggressive, violent (including school shootings), and challenging whereas girls tend to be a lot more indirect, favor shunning & gossip over physical intimidation, passive aggressive, and sneaky, especially when it comes to things like booze and sex (and thus are much easier to overlook by apathetic adults). Even the girls who are just as openly violent and such as the boys tend to be thought of as less threatening due to size and reputation so even then there's a slight more chance to go after boys (medicate them, put them in special classes, etc) more.

Though it can get so ridiculous that I heard of a boy (4 or 5) in Texas who got suspended and written up permanently for "sexually harassing" his teacher (he hugged her). The parents fought it and at least got it off his permanent record, but that's just damn frightening, I mean sure someone mentally ill like that teacher could get a job but that the faculty would back her insanity up instead of firing her (or at least forcing her to get some counseling while throwing out her complaint) is what's scary. (And why would ANYTHING done by a 5-year-old get put on someone's permanent record? People are messed up.)

But interesting enough, I haven't heard of boys who got in trouble for being a witch (as I was accused of being myself). Every single case I heard of (one actually suspended from school for having cast a spell that sickened a teacher) were all girls, at least as far as I know (I did hear of "Satanists," boys and girls, locked up in a room full of glass once under the logic that one of them called the tornadoes down and it was hoped the guilty party would use their infernal powers to make sure the school didn't get hit if it meant saving their own life). I find that curious. (Though that people in charge of educating children are disciplining kids for casting magical curses on teachers or even calling down tornadoes is far more disturbing.)

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you wanna know why boys are losing interest in school? lmao it has nothing to do with porn and everything to do with how our boys are treated in school.. i know first hand, you see i started school in the mid 90s when more and more boys were being labeled adhd , autistic ,aspergers etc. for simply being... boys! curious, hyper,having a probing intellect and always asking questions, independent... who ever heard of boys being those things? that cant be normal! anyways lots of normal boys were labeled learning disabled and medicated and put in special classes because it became politically incorrect to be a boy. schools are not catering to boys learning styles any more, is it any wonder so.many boys have lost interest in school? i know i sure did lol.


You misunderstood (cherries and pineapples type of misunderstanding) - i never said that boys lost interest in school cause of porn, it's not about loosing interest in education - but about "lowering the interest in terms of procreation - finding a mate". From a "natural (the way nature intended)" point of view - "for a healthy male, the females from our species represent the highest level of motivation - in terms of reaching a higher status in society" ...and same goes for most species. Don't get me wrong - it's not that men see porn as an alternative to woman (some do - but that's a different story) - it's about the possibility to experience life from a different perspective - compared to our ancestors which had to strive to be the best and earn the right to be around a female - "the right to chose...". As long as you have access to internet - doesn't matter who you are as a man or what you can do - from early age you have access to a virtual harem:


...that, "without earning this right (the way it was intended)". It's not that men lose interest in real woman - but "many, put less effort in what they do for woman". So, the woman of today have a hard time competing with fantasies - getting half the men of yesterday - the other half being wasted on those fantasies... We live in a time when woman get to complain about not getting enough sex - even tho, their man is not cheating on them (technically), as it was the case with the women from previous times - when feeling the same. Maybe some men have a low sexual drive - but those are subjective examples.


And since you mentioned "boys" and porn - well, they might be to young to be affected by porn from this point of view (striving to be the best for woman) - that happens latter in life, but the situation is very serious even for teenagers (or should i say - especially). Affordable high speed internet became available at a larger scale around 2006 - and the effects of porn as a result to that was documented only recently - around 2009... the "old type of porn" wasn't dangerous, which is why most men from older generations weren't that affected. As for younger generations - the danger in their case can imply - erectile dysfunction at early ages (15 years old - for example) - which happens at a brain level (as mentioned above - our brain wasn't prepared for porn) not a physical level - as it is with elder persons. And obviously - that will effect their evolution in life, even more than that - it increased the rate of suicides.


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...as for what you mentioned - that's a different story which can apply to both boys and girls - and might be related to some form of dyslexia - I'll get to this part in another post.

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posted December 21, 2012 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i was one of the boys who was labeled as learning disabled and put in a special class because i was having trouble learning how to read. this is what happens to alot of boys nowaday, they are made to feel stupid and get discouraged and lose interest in schooling. luckily my mom always read to me at home, my favorite book was"where the wild things are" and she read that to me almost everynight and you know what happened? after hearing her read it to me so many times i memorized it word for word... and i had no trouble reading from that moment on, i wasnt learning disabled or stupid at all, i just had my own unique style of learning. i ended up reading at a sophomore in college level by 6th grade, not too shabby huh? i was one of the lucky ones, but i could have easily been one of the boys who fell through the cracks.


...yep, based on what you detailed - that's clearly a form dyslexia.

I can relate with dyslexia - but not that specific type... i was able to adapt - enough to be above average, so people took me as "lazy" instead... they kept saying that I'm intelligent but very lazy... which was a half truth... I learn things better on my own - especially if they catch my attention but i simply - can't learn from people that "teach just for the sake of teaching", people that don't put their soul in what they teach - they just do it to get their paycheck - as if working on a "production line" and I'm suppose to be - just another product... I feel uncomfortable around such people, so even tho I'm staring at them as if listening - my mind is in a different place... sometimes i used to doodle - but that wasn't possible with every class... ^^

Here are the main symptoms for dyslexia: http://www.dyslexia.com/library/symptoms.htm

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