posted May 16, 2014 02:54 AM            

Are all those who came back human now? Made me think of Elana and Stephan's premonitions about being human and having a life together..even though they were told it was a.spell to get them together so that the Travellers could find them.

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

posted May 16, 2014 07:26 AM            

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

posted May 16, 2014 07:36 AM            

But I am just so happy Alaric is coming back.

posted May 16, 2014 07:53 AM            

think I am living too much in imaginary-worlds?

posted May 16, 2014 09:57 AM            

Ok, I'll join in on your celebrations.

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

posted May 16, 2014 03:05 PM            

i mean, bamon is canon in the books, so some of us were wondering, why is the show only focusing in the love triangle that isnt even working? i mean...just look at the ratings....

but finally....it was done. and that ending was beautiful. damon and bonnie trended in twitter. fangirls and fanboys screamed!

i think ian had something to do with this....he had complained to plec that he wanted to have more scenes with kat....
which i understand...they both have sizzling chemistry and are great friends

posted May 16, 2014 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I wonder how many Finale scripts are written around Contract Negotiation parameters?

Sorry, Stationary Domicile MidHeaven speaking...

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some say that plec had written the finale a long time ago...
ian did request a meeting with plec about more bonnie and bamon
both ian and kat favored the season finale....
ian and kat are under a 6 seasons contract...

who knows...maybe, once a regular has more staying power, esp. if it is a main character...they can nudge things a bit?

some blamed plec and dries for the lack of bamon story line
when everybody else was getting a better story line with everyone else...

but a few days ago, ian said this: "We had some scenes in Season 2 where Damon and Bonnie had a f---ing awesome connection and the studio and the network and producers were like, 'No more, no. This is about Damon, Elena and Stefan and that's why you never see Bonnie and Damon," he tells us. "So I am excited as hell that I get to do stuff with Kat in [finale]."

really stupid because....this trio hasnt been helping the show.

years ago, the writers had been saying no to the bonnie and damon friendship because they had too much chemistry but now we know that it was the network all along....and that dries and plec prolly wanted to develop a bamon storyline (canon in the books) but their hands were tied down by network bureaucracy

posted May 17, 2014 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:

but a few days ago, ian said this: "We had some scenes in Season 2 where Damon and Bonnie had a f---ing awesome connection

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posted May 17, 2014 07:16 AM            

DW of Venus-Pluto-conjunction,(3 degrees eac)

Her Moon is possibly conj his Venus, too

Close Sun-Saturn-conjunction in his 8th house, involving his 12th house ruler; karmic?

Her Mars on his NN

In their composite they have

Sun conjunct VEnus conjunct Pluto (within one degree only! )

Mercury conjunct Mars conjunct Saturn, all within one and a half degree

Juno conjunct NN conjunct Uranus within 2 degrees

Actually their composite Mars falls onto her natal Plutoa nd his natal Venus.

posted May 17, 2014 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I agree with him. I always thought that Damon and Bonnie had a very interesting sparkly chemistry, and I find it did not become his character much becoming Elena`s puppy dog after they got together. Just my impression obviously. but I really lost interest in Vampire diaries in season 4, and not ONLY because Alaric left I suppose.
Actualy I can`t hardly remember season 4. lol

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true true.

btw, i dont even watch tvd, but, i have an eye for narrative and character development in tv shows.

damon doesnt grow with elena
on the other hand, bonnie challenges damon and makes him think about his choices....
the character development for bonnie started going downhill after season 2...
and the triangle just made things worse...

it is unfortunate to go there, but one reason for the network's decision might have been the fear of alienating the fanbase by putting damon and bonnie together, esp. the (white women) fanbase...who are more likely to live through the white female lead
so if you change the game, and place the white male lead with the minority female....some wont be able to sympathize and empathize with this scenario, instead, they'll see it as a threat (to themselves) and kaboom, the show flops.

it is the racial empathy gap...

def. there is something to it, there is very asinine commentary and an attitude of erasure towards minority female characters by the greater majority...esp. when they become associated with a white male lead
e.g michonne from twd, guinevere from merlin and watson from elementary...

posted May 17, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I just pulled up a synastry for Ian Somerhalder and Kat Graham, just out of curiosity, and WOW

DW of Venus-Pluto-conjunction,(3 degrees eac)

Her Moon is possibly conj his Venus, too

Close Sun-Saturn-conjunction in his 8th house, involving his 12th house ruler; karmic?

Her Mars on his NN

In their composite they have

Sun conjunct VEnus conjunct Pluto (within one degree only! )

Mercury conjunct Mars conjunct Saturn, all within one and a half degree

Juno conjunct NN conjunct Uranus within 2 degrees

Actually their composite Mars falls onto her natal Plutoa nd his natal Venus.

Interesting astrological make up

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after seeing them (online, of course) interacting in cons, photoshoots, etc...
and noticing that they looked so at ease and connected with one another, and even how they compliment and support each other so much...
i started analyzing their synastry and composite too
and im surprised they have not made out yet...
so yes, the passion is strong...
both in synastry and composite
i also did the sasstrology astrology calculator , which ive found very accurate, and they get 90%...

kat is engaged though, and she seems like the loyal type
ian def. has a crush on her....

posted May 17, 2014 12:22 PM            

I also always feel like they are in a way "equals" or he treats her more like an equal like he treats anyone else.
He always tries to decide FOR Elena, to saver her or whatever, make her his, but with Bonnie to me it feels like they are more of an equal footing, he seems to notice her power and strength and does not feel the need to become a saviour. Of course they are not in love and so on, but I like that about their chemistry. how they are on equal levels, be it in friendship or in shared goals or even as adversaries.

"the character development for bonnie started going downhill after season 2..."
Agreed. I loved her character most from all in season 1, and then it really went downhill.

I was kinda surprised with the character development of CAroline though, at the beginning I did not expect her to become like this, but for a while i was really impressed with it, though for the last 2 seasons I found even that character to be stagnant and flat.

"it is the racial empathy gap..."
I donīt really understand that to be honest.

posted May 18, 2014 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

And even though he always sais that he is inclined to sacrifice her easily, he ends up saving her instead nevertheless.

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who saved bonnie from the island? damon
who brought bonnie back? didnt he even sacrifice katherine to bring back bonnie?
damon did it

I also always feel like they are in a way "equals" or he treats her more like an equal like he treats anyone else.
He always tries to decide FOR Elena, to saver her or whatever, make her his, but with Bonnie to me it feels like they are more of an equal footing, he seems to notice her power and strength and does not feel the need to become a saviour. Of course they are not in love and so on, but I like that about their chemistry. how they are on equal levels, be it in friendship or in shared goals or even as adversaries.

completely agree...i hope they dont screw things up, i dont trust these writers much but, i really want the writers to actually develop the relationship between the two, whether it is friendship..romance..just something

Agreed. I loved her character most from all in season 1, and then it really went downhill.

post-season 2, there was less input from writer williamson...he kept things more coherent

I was kinda surprised with the character development of CAroline though, at the beginning I did not expect her to become like this, but for a while i was really impressed with it, though for the last 2 seasons I found even that character to be stagnant and flat.

caroline is a minor character in the books
caroline's character development is actually bonnie's (you notice this if you have read the books)...why did they do this?

I donīt really understand that to be honest.
based on studies, the idea is that whites and other races think that blacks feel less pain than other races. do a quick google search to read more about it, if you want.
iow, blacks can withstand suffering and pain more than others. this is actually not true......
there are various reasons behind this prejudicial notion
anywho, in the entertainment business that can lead to interesting portrayals of black females in some shows and movies: she is usually the one suffering instead of portraying a more multi-faceted role. and, since she is suffering...she doesnt get to become vulnerable or be rescued..because, she can handle the suffering...

example, bonnie..., and another even worse example, tara from true blood, raped, abused..etc. and even when she tried to stand up for herself...many fans still found her behaviour unfair and called her all sorts of names.
her character found no empathy because after all, 'she is strong enough, so she should be able to handle crap'
on the other hand, elena and sookie do get to be strong, to be vulnerable, to help themselves and others...to be desired, protected...to defend themselves when needed, and so on
btw, elena's character is not amazing..but, you get what i mean...

posted May 18, 2014 01:49 PM            

"whether it is friendship..romance..just something"
Yes, me, too. Just *something*.

"post-season 2, there was less input from writer williamson...he kept things more coherent"
ah that is why!

I even still liked the 3rd season somewhat, but I remember how much it blew me away the 1st season.

I even remember one particular episode in 1st season, "History Repeating", that scene when Bonnie burns the locket and Damon attacks her, it felt SO real, so energetic; actually even when I switched off the TV it felt like the energy was still swirling and crackling in my living room. Though that happned rarely in my grown up years, I dimly remember, having spent the night with my cover over my head and sort of hiding. lol
It was just the intensity that was so much, maybe just my current mind frame back then, but still i was quite blown away that a TV show managed to evoke that feeling, but to be honest it hadn`t done so in the later seasons.

"caroline is a minor character in the books
caroline's character development is actually bonnie's (you notice this if you have read the books)...why did they do this?"
I did not know that. I think Iread the first book (cause I won it at the convention. lol).

"and another even worse example, tara from true blood, raped, abused..etc. "
Oh Gosh, yes, that areally riled me up!
It seems t show how bacwards humanity still is.

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btw, elena's character is not amazing..but, you get what i mean..."
I know what you mean. To be honest she annoys me, or annoyed me. ACtually my first thought when seeing her on screen was: "They centre a whole series around a mary-sue-character?"
She almost annoyed me as much as Bella in tWilight did.

Though I liked Katherine for some episodes at least.

posted May 18, 2014 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes, right.
He even placed her - somewhat- over Elena that moment, or had to be a little bit pressured into coming back to support Elena. Not that he did nto want to, he just wanted to save Bonnie, too. AT least that was my impression.

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ah that is why!
also...
some say that plec favors candice

It was just the intensity that was so much, maybe just my current mind frame back then, but still i was quite blown away that a TV show managed to evoke that feeling, but to be honest it hadn`t done so in the later seasons.

it was pluto reaching out to you
do you have any pluto/8th?

Oh Gosh, yes, that areally riled me up!
It seems t show how bacwards humanity still is.

well, ive been hearing good things about michonne from the walking dead...must go there...and see.
another example of backwardness...
in some parts of fandom, some folks would rather ship the white male lead with any other white male character (even if they dont have chemistry or are even abusive towards each other) before seeing the white male lead with a minority female character (in spite of good chemistry)..
although some will state that it is for the sake of lgbtq representation...which i completely think we need more of,
other times, it is just plain old stupidity, esp. when this obsession with campaigning for the two men to be together is done at the expense of vilifying and being prejudicial towards the female character. it is like, as long as the male lead remains in a relationship with one of his own (whiteness), everything is fine...

as to tv shows, throughout the decades, there have been some writers who have implicitly said that the reason they shy away from writing minority characters or even well-developed minority characters (or they end up killed and never come back, esp. in the supernatural genre) is because they dont know how to write (insert asian, black, whatever) people...as if minorities are aliens instead of humans who dont eat just like everybody else...lol

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I know what you mean. To be honest she annoys me, or annoyed me. ACtually my first thought when seeing her on screen was: "They centre a whole series around a mary-sue-character?"
She almost annoyed me as much as Bella in tWilight did.

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yep...but, it does fulfill that damsel in distress fantasy....you know, the average girl who wants to be special, have a bunch of men after her...?
who doesnt want to be a disney princess?

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Yes, me, too. Just *something*.

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