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Desiring Shadows
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posted June 16, 2014 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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aquaguy91
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posted June 17, 2014 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I add something to the list?

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posted June 17, 2014 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry.. But that article really ****** me off.. Am I the only one who can see the blatant double standards at play? Ugh.. Theres so much to say about how messed up this article is. I will write more when I get off of work.

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posted June 17, 2014 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know why doctors still use BMI, which is as scandalous for a doctor to use (or it should be, and will be one day) as phrenology. Even those who make a case for using BMI will often say it's not used correctly and the BMI can't tell the difference between fat & muscle or how that weight is distributed (which can make for huge differences in weight and health between people with the same BMI score). I mention it because not only are doctors still using it improperly and way too much but I've heard of schools combating obesity (which came about in large part because of school lunches and all that sitting around at school, but that's another topic) will send "BMI report cards" home (and if doctors overuse and wrongly apply BMI then schools are even more prone to it).

Here's 10 reasons why it's bogus

As for me I was in a PE class that subjected us to that. Only I and another girl were "healthy" by BMI standards (which not only made the other girls feel fat but also caused them to torment the two of us, and to this day I wonder was the coach who used BMI on us really that inexcusably ignorant, or was she cruel to all of us on purpose?). But the thing was, both me and the other girl who were "healthy" by BMI standards were under doctor's orders to gain weight!

I don't know much about the other girl other than she was being treated for anorexia. But as for me I was so thin that I had delayed puberty, didn't have enough fat or something to go through the changes. (I probably weighed more than I looked as I was so athletic and did a lot of hard farm chores for several months just before taking that BMI test which meant I had muscle on me which weighs heavier than fat, but BMI won't take that into account.) And if the BMI tells an entire large PE/gym class that the only 2 girls of a healthy weight are the same 2 girls under doctor's orders to GAIN weight then obviously it's flawed (and an adult should know that by looking at us).

Of course the coach herself didn't take the BMI test (at least not in front of us), and given her size she'd definitely would've failed it if she had, which is one reason why I suspect she did what she did out of cruelty than ignorance.

IMO, BMI needs to be done away with completely, and that so many doctors rely on it shakes my confidence in the medical community.

And as for this thread, if BMI says you're obese...well maybe you're just healthy after all. Consider all BMI scores invalid (even when they're right I consider it a coincidence, as in "a broken clock is right twice a day" way).

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posted June 17, 2014 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I couldn't help but notice that the article seems to encourage overweight women to hold out for "hot guys"... If this was an article about overweight men and they were encouraged to hold out for hot girls women would come out of the woodwork to shame fat guys and tell them that they need to get in the gym and quit being entitled pricks..

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posted June 17, 2014 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh... And I especially loved the part where it said fat chicks deserve to be worshipped.. If that's not entitlement I don't know what is.

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posted June 17, 2014 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the article does not say that. But we see what we think..

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posted June 17, 2014 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not read the article but why shouldn't fat girls deserve everything slim girls deserve? Why is being fat "imperfect" while being underweight is praised? The fact is some huge women have that "je ne sais quoi" and some don't. why does society look down on anyone's shape?

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posted June 17, 2014 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Women comes in different shapes and yet some women with bigger build can be beautiful too, it's just we are too used to the cultural standard of the models with same body type and clothes at the stores generally favoring the same body type that we might not realize the beauty of other shapes.

With this said, on the other hand I don't think that it's healthy to encourage unhealthy overweight, just as it is bad to encourage unhealthy underweight.

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posted June 17, 2014 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What AriesLilith said.

Nice to see you, by the way. =)

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AriesLilith
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posted June 18, 2014 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
What AriesLilith said.

Nice to see you, by the way. =)


Thank you! I've been away for a while but always ended up comig back to LL.

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posted June 19, 2014 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not like the article.
There is a vast difference betwixt fat but still fit;
and morbidly obese arm flab draping extra chins and all.
Acceptance is one thing, but glorifying morbidly obese as beautiful and a good thing is just so wrong in so many ways.
I have/do considered myself attractive and loved/love myself;
whether morbidly obese or anorexic.
Yes; have been at both extremes;
88 pounds to 425 pounds.
I still found love and did not hate myself.
However; seriously;
the person who promoted the "14 Things Every Fat Girl Absolutely Needs To Hear"
is not being realistic.
She is very out of shape to say the least and not very old by the looks of her;
yet has draping arm flab like a 400 pound plus older woman.
Sure, accept her, love her;
but do not condone and enable her by telling her that she and other very flabby women are perfect.
Really?
Perfect?
Honey you are a mess physically no matter how much you want to make everyone say you are perfect.
Sure, enjoy your life and if you want to be or are morbidly obese; then do not let being very fat stop you!
But "perfect"
Get real!
If one has more than 40% body fat;
then one is not perfect but a time bomb of ills waiting to happen.

The BMI is a terrible way to test for fat/thin.
The electrical impedance test is much more accurate.
At 200 pounds my lean mass was 152 pounds.
That meant that I could weigh like 180 pounds and be considered lean and fit.
>>>Yet the standard BMI charts said I was supposed to weigh about 119 pounds!
I would have had to lose 33 pounds >>>muscle<<< to be that weight!
Or 61 total pounds.
The standard BMI does not take into account one's lean mass (all the body, bones, organs, muscle etc.) vs the fat mass alone.
I expect there might be folks who disagree with me and my views;
but to glorify and endorse morbid obesity and or anorexia;
is just so very wrong.
I am not saying be mean and nasty to the extremes some folks are;
but do not try to promote that either is wonderful perfect yippie look at us we are gorgeous crap.
Pleasingly plump, robust, and so forth can indeed be quite lovely and even still very healthy!
But severe obesity is an entirely different issue and should be treated as a disease/illness and not ridiculed, but be treated as a medical issue which it is.

Rant over for now.

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Doux Rêve
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posted June 19, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lexx

I agree with you completely.


Ps. Hope you're doing okay.

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posted June 19, 2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lexx,

I agree.

(and I am talking as someone who is, or at least was, morbidly obese. It was NOT healthy)

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posted June 19, 2014 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People can be beautiful in all sizes, it's not about beauty, it's about the fact that being overweight is unhealthy. I don't like this article.

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AriesLilith
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posted June 19, 2014 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesLilith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been very thin, perhaps anorexic when I was young and sometimes I was joked at (in a non mean way thought) or been told to get fatter as it is not healthy. Now I'm better alrhough still a bit underweight, and I still prefer others to have encouraged me to take care of myself rather than drive me to dellude myself.

Of course, one thing is to encourage to be healthy and another is to be cruel. And some people might have health issues that do affect their weights and losing or gaining weight might not be easy for them. Yet it's still important for our loved ones to encourage healthy ways. In the long term it is actually more cruel to let them be and later have serious issues.

If a loved one has certain flaws, it's preferable to be honest with them, with both empathy and honesty, in order to encourage improvement.

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