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Topic: Swastika painted at Georgia congressman's office
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1055 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 11, 2009 05:06 PM
WASHINGTON – A swastika was found Tuesday painted on a sign outside Rep. David Scott's district office, an act the Georgia Democrat said reflects an increasingly hateful and racist debate over health care and should serve as a reminder for people to tone down their rhetoric.Scott's staff arrived at his Smyrna, Ga., office Tuesday morning to find the Nazi graffiti emblazoned on a sign bearing the lawmaker's name. The vandalism occurred roughly a week after Scott was involved in a contentious argument over health care at a community meeting. Scott, who is black, said he also has received mail in recent days that used N-word references to him, and that characterized President Barack Obama as a Marxist. "We have got to make sure that the symbol of the swastika does not win, that the racial hatred that's bubbling up does not win this debate," Scott said in a telephone interview. "There's so much hatred out there for President (Barack) Obama." A moderate Democrat who represents a majority-white district near Atlanta, Scott said he thinks the racism is isolated but can't be ignored. He said the swastika probably was intended as a warning. He hopes it instead persuades reasonable people to maintain a more substantive debate over health care changes. "We must not allow it to intimidate us," he said. Scott said his office immediately notified authorities, including the U.S. Capitol Police, who have warned lawmakers about potential threats stemming from the increasingly emotional debate over health care reform. An FBI spokesman said the bureau is investigating along with Capitol Police and the Smyrna Police Department. Scott's Smyrna office is located in a bank building, so the congressman said he was optimistic that surveillance cameras captured the vandalism. At an Aug. 1 community meeting in Douglasville, Ga., Scott angrily yelled at protesters who peppered him with questions and complaints about Democratic health care proposals. He has said he was upset that they interrupted a meeting that was supposed to be about plans for a new highway in the area. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_swastika;_ylt=AuVs5u495O4nlRDcpGxyE4kuQE4F;_ylu=X3oDMTJxczRlb2plBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODExL3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX3N3YXN0aWthBGNwb3MDNgRwb3MDNg RzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3N3YXN0aWthcGFpbg-- Raymond ------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 11, 2009 05:25 PM
I'm not sure that the swistika is related to a racism in it's recent use. Republicans are trying to make Obama and Democrats out as Nazis, because they (like Jwhop) mistakenly believe Hitler was a Socialist.IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 221 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 03:24 AM
What was Hitler, if not a member of the National Socialist party?The one time I engaged in an intelligent conversation with neonazis, they claimed to be socialists, though not communists, opposed to capitalism. It demanded quite a bit of taxation for government run industries, schools, and even welfare, in addition to the more infamous stuff. Granted, politics is burdened with doubletalk, no matter where you go. People who claim to stand for a republic, a democracy, liberty, or socialism rarely ever live up to it. OTOH, there are plenty of True Believers that believe the system they favor is too good to produce horrible results, so like will dismiss other sects of Christians as "not true Christians," or bad Commies as "not true Communists," and the like, and I'm wondering if because Hitler was bad, some Socialists aren't just saying, "He wasn't really a socialist" in the very same way. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 09:46 AM
We've covered this ground before...and it always turns out the same way.Dervish is right. Hitler and Mussolini were both Socialists, adopted Socialist schemes, said they were Socialists and Socialists have been running away from Hitler and Mussolini for more than 60 years. American and British Socialists thought the Socialist Hitler was a jolly good fellow when he signed the non aggression pact with Stalin. This happened when Hitler's V-1 rockets and German bombs were raining down on British cities including London. Hitler was a jolly good fellow then. Let's get it straight. The Nazis were Socialists. Lenin, Stalin, Ho, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam, Castro and Chavez ARE/WERE Socialists.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 11:10 AM
quote: We've covered this ground before...and it always turns out the same way.
Indeed. You've always lost this argument hands down as the argument that Hitler called himself a Socialist did not make him a Socialist. It's a false premise. Nor did Hitler prove himself a Socialist through his actions. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1055 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 12, 2009 06:27 PM
maybe fascism is getting confused with socialism. what about people just twisting Leon Trotsky's ideas. Raymond ------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2009 11:19 AM
We understand your problem acoustic.Hitler didn't personally whisper the words..."I'm a Socialist" in your ear..so, Hitler wasn't a Socialist. In spite of Hitler's own words..."I'm a Socialist; in spite of the name of Hitler's party "National Socialists"; in spite of the Nazis adopting Socialist policies and using the words Socialist and Socialism to describe their policies; since Hitler didn't personally whisper..."I'm a Socialist" in your ear...then Hitler wasn't a Socialist. Socialism is Fascism. All one need do is look at what O'Bomber has already done. O'Bomber has nationalized...taken over 2 out of three of US auto companies. O'Bomber has nationalized...taken over the financial sector of the economy. O'Bomber is attempting to nationalize...take over the health care industry which is 17% of the total US economy. Socialism is Fascism.
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1315 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2009 11:28 AM
gross exaggeration, jwhop. the auto industry, the banking industry and the health industry have NONE of them been "TAKEN OVER". they have received a great deal of money and in turn have given a PERCENTAGE of control over in the form of minimal regulation.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2009 05:49 PM
quote: We understand your problem acoustic. Hitler didn't personally whisper the words..."I'm a Socialist" in your ear..so, Hitler wasn't a Socialist.
How would whispering in my ear differ? You could whisper in my ear that you're an intelligent guy. Doesn't make it so. There really is no logic in you, is there? Obama's administration has been approached by auto companies asking for a bailout. Obama's administration has been approached by the financial sector for a bailout. Let's not be idiots, and try to make this look at though this administration was looking to play a part in those companies. And let's not say that attaching conditions to these bailouts constitutes the notion that these private institutions are publicly run. quote: Socialism is Fascism.
No, it's not. And for every opinion you could find to back this claim, there would be an opposing opinion. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2009 06:48 PM
Given all the heat this retarded demoscat congressman has been taking for accusing a local doctor...from his district of NOT being from his district...and not having the courtesy to call up his office to arrange to have his concerns heard...when he had called repeatedly and been brushed off; it's not out of the realm of possibility that the congressman painted that swastika himself...or had one of the goons from ACORN or a labor union goon do it for him...just to take the heat off his sorry butt....like...let's change the subject to racism, nazis or anything else to get me out of this spot.acoustic, you make and seem to have not a shred of common sense. Hitler said he was a Socialist...and I showed you the quote straight out of Hitler's writings. Hitler's party...the National Socialist Party isn't something I made up...and again, I showed you the real name of Hitler's party. So acoustic, if you wouldn't believe it then, the only thing left to convince you is Hitler personally whispering in your tender little ear..."I'm a Socialist, get it bud?" IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2009 07:04 PM
I've showed on numerous occasions that you share more in common with Hitler than virtually any Democrat. The words of a psycho killer mean a lot less to me than they do you apparently. quote: the only thing left to convince you is Hitler personally whispering in your tender little ear..."I'm a Socialist, get it bud?"
No, the only thing left is taking a RATIONAL approach to proving Hitler was a Socialist. Break down what Socialism is, and show how Hitler fits that mold. That's the only reasonable means of showing Hitler was a Socialist. It's always been that way, and will continue to be so. Stop with the idiocy. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1315 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 11:15 AM
"Hitler's party...the National Socialist Party isn't something I made up...and again, I showed you the real name of Hitler's party"and obama's party is called the democratic party, yet you consistently deny they are anything of the kind. ps. who started the bailouts? double standards anyone? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:02 PM
quote: I've showed on numerous occasions that you share more in common with Hitler than virtually any Democrat....acousticc
acoustic, you are so full of bullshiit that it oozes out of every pore of your body. You have showed no such thing Your big chance acoustic. List all the ways in which I am like Hitler...the Socialist dictator in whose head I would have happily put a bullet. On the other hand, O'Bomber is adopting the very same policies of nationalizing business and industries..as Hitler did. Further, it's O'Bomber who wants a private civilian army of thugs...Brown Shirts...at his beck and call. Sieg Heil Comrades; your papers please. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1315 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:08 PM
well the lynchmob is doing a good job of giving him an excuse. if that's what you want, or they want, then they should carry on acting like a mob, what fun and games!IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1315 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:12 PM
howsabout this?you would like to deport everyone who has a different idea of what america is - ie dissenters from your (minority) view you believe it is commendable to shoot people you don't approve of you refuse to take in any information that does not jibe with your predetermined view of things yes they say we become what we fear/resist... so you carry on, jwhop, i'm done with this. it is futile and i have no desire to wallow in it anymore.you want to bring nazi america on yourself you go right ahead. and yes, i know i've said it before... "Until we admit there are things we don't know, we can't even start asking the questions to find out. Until we admit that America can make a mistake, we can't stop the next one. A smart guy named Chesterton once said: "My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'" To which most Americans would respond: "Are you calling my mother a drunk?" bill maher IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 03:07 PM
Jwhop, you can't possibly have forgotten already. The nationalism, the with us or against us mentality, the fixed mindset, the paranoia that a particular group of people are out to get you (for Hitler it was Jews and Marxists, for you it's Commies, Marxists, and Socialists). Though you decry dictators being violent, you don't have any qualms about using violence yourself. More recently you suggested that perhaps blonds shouldn't be allowed to procreate, or something along those lines. You never fail to show your inflexible similarity to Hitler.Obama isn't remotely similar to Hitler in what he's done or in what he's doing. Not close at all. And the "Brown shirts" nonsense is laughable (as it always was). IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1055 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 03:23 PM
AG,you left out leftists heh ------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 19, 2009 04:53 PM
Barney Frank Confronts Woman At Townhall Comparing Obama To HitlerIP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1055 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2009 02:02 AM
until he commits mass murder like Hitler did, I don't believe that Obama should be compared to Hitler any shape or form. Hitler was a serious bigot who hated anybody that wasn't a white person and put many Jews to death. Obama is not some ethnic bigot. Obama hasn't killed anybody either. Raymond
------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1315 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2009 01:31 PM
lyndon johnson was also compared to hitler. while i never liked the man, he was nothing of the sort. time will tell and in the meantime a lot of negative energy is being generated just for the sake of it.palin is a dragon. she will go down in flames. she may get up and try again, but she is no match for the slower, less ostentatious ox in her sites. this will all sort out one way or another. i don't believe most people really fall for all the hysteria and exaggeration. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 623 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2009 03:43 PM
Yeah, there was a woman at Frank's town hall meeting who talked about Hitler and Nazis.Turns out that woman is not a right wing zealot but is rather...a democrat and supporter of democrat Lyndon LaRouche.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1165 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2009 06:28 PM
Yeah, she got the idea from Conservatives doing the same.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1315 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 21, 2009 01:01 AM
as i recall before i came here there was plenty of calling bush hitler too. kind of loses its punch when its rolled out for everybody!"the party of the constitution" seems to have forgotten that the original constitution gave rights only to "free" men, not slaves, women, children...shall we go back to that? is that the end all and be all? time for change indeed. IP: Logged |