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jwhop
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posted October 21, 2009 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Grasshoppers should not read this.

THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER

This one is a little different
Two Different Versions
Two Different Morals

OLD VERSION

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away..

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

MODERN VERSION

The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.

CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, "We shall overcome." Then Rev. Jeremiah Wright has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

President Obama condemns the ant and blames President Bush, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the Pope for the grasshopper's plight.

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar and given to the grasshopper.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it..

The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned , is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and once peaceful, neighborhood.

The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2010.

I've sent this to you because I believe that you are an ant - not a grasshopper! Make sure that you pass this on to other ants. Don't bother sending it on to any grasshoppers because they wouldn't understand it, anyway.


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katatonic
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posted October 21, 2009 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
moral of the story - if you live in government housing make sure they keep up the repairs!

this story would be great if it took into account that those the ant "got rich off the backs of" actually did the gruntwork of gathering the ant's hoard...which obviously would not be the grasshopper

anyway the grasshopper doesn't die because he doesn't save enough. he dies because he is a seasonal creature!

if i were an angel jwhop i would wave my wand and make you one of those people who you think are dancing and singing their lives away in the cozy little government housing developments you dream exist! now THAT is a joke!

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jwhop
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posted October 21, 2009 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Right! The oft repeated leftist story that those who are wealthy got that way by stealing from others, holding the poor down or generally taking advantage of those who work for them.

What utter tripe and bullshiit.

Now katatonic, you're sounding like an out and out communist. Is that why you're in love with the Marxist Socialist policies of O'Bomber?

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katatonic
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posted October 21, 2009 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
excuse me, but WHERE do you see ANYthing socialist in my post? in the joke about the happy indigents in government palaces? in my pointing out that no one thinks grasshoppers feed ants at any time of year?

your story is just grossly out of touch with reality.

before you jump on someone for their faults try walking a mile in their shoes, jwhop.

as to the socialist "victim" story about the downtrodden workers, i have never put that forward, only you have, in complaint. but if you think even ONE billionaire or corporation got where they are without a lot of people working for groundlevel wages, think again. those "value producers" you talk about are important. but they do not do it by themselves!

my point - neither one can do without the other. that is not socialism, it is reality.

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shura
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posted October 21, 2009 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
Oh sweet Jesus ... not the ant and grasshopper story again.

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katatonic
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posted October 21, 2009 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
it's a ridiculous story, isn't it? i mean since when are ants and grasshoppers supposed to be the same? since when is a bricklayer the same as a fashion model? and what self-respecting grasshopper hangs around for the winter anyway?

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Eleanore
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posted October 22, 2009 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
That Rowling witch really oppressed a fat ton of people sitting at her computer desk and, gawd, writing!

Oprah has exploited thousands with her damned listening her whole privileged life.

Musicians should be shot on sight if they're paid for their so-called work.

Artists are sell outs if they're not painting for free.


Really, why isn't a farmer who produces food that carries disease paid exactly the same as one who grows organic, biodynamic food? In fact, why pay for anything? Obviously the worlds' resources will NEVER run out and everyone should take all that they want whenever they feel like it. I'm so damned oppressed by having to pay for my food and clothes and home and everything else. Those people don't deserve any pay at all for the work they do. And the evil ones who employ them? They should never have had the crazy, selfish idea of giving people jobs and benefits and providing services to other even though I use those services because I need them. I mean, NEEDS people! They should be free and unlimited! I should magically be provided with them at no cost to myself or anyone else nevermind who actually has to, gasp, work for free to provide for me. In fact, any day now, God will descend from the heavens and just start giving me things.


Oh, Jwhop. Wasn't this an amusing enough thread before to just bump?

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shura
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posted October 22, 2009 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
C'mon, Eleanore! Bump the old thread. Do it! Do it!

Double dare!!

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jwhop
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posted October 22, 2009 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"this story would be great if it took into account that those the ant "got rich off the backs of" actually did the gruntwork of gathering the ant's hoard"...katatonic

Straight Marxist Socialist class warfare bullcrap.

Well yes, this story was sent to me by email and I think it was a little different from the last one I posted.

Eleanore, truth is that without the search function it's time consuming to go back and try to find an old thread.

There's no free lunch and especially when that lunch which you think is free is catered by the government. Just ask the executives at AIG, GM, Chrysler and various banks and investment firms who took the TARP funds.

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katatonic
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posted October 22, 2009 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
in that case YOU jwhop are the one pushing the classist bullcrap, since i was responding to YOUR phrase (the one in quotes) : and i said that if the ant got rich off anyone's back, it was not the grasshopper. it says so right there in black and white.

as i said more than once, i don't think any grasshopper would stick around for winter in the first place, and he certainly would not be stupid enough to ask the ant for food. i am sure their tastes are quite different. in other words i think the story is a) off base to begin with and b) has nothing to do with socialism UNLESS YOU WANT TO RUN A POINT INTO THE GROUND with absurdities!

but since one side of the table seems to think i am a socialist and therefore doesn't even bother to read what i wrote, i leave it to you to keep patting yourself on your own back. as i said elsewhere, YOU are the paranoid conspiracy theorist pushing the "socialist plot to destroy america" where it doesn't belong.

eleanore - i wasn't and i don't rant on about the oppressors and the oppressed. i just pointed out that no rich person gets that way without someone else doing a lot of the work. oprah has scads of employees, rowling's books can't come out without the workers in the publishing companies, and musicians also make very little money if they operate solo. ask any busker how rich he is! and ask any henry ford how many cars he actually put together to make "his" mark.

that they provide jobs for people goes without saying! but that the people who do those jobs help them get rich ALSO GOES WITHOUT SAYING. fancy them wanting to be able to take their kids to the doctor once in awhile at a reasonable price!!

i was just basically laughing at the irrelevant use of this old fable which never really made any sense in the first place.

over and out. have a ball.

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posted October 22, 2009 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
It seems overall irrelevant to me. For one thing, I don't recall Obama ever blaming Bush, Reagan, etc. In fact, when Bush got booed or something as he was about to leave, Obama stepped in and hushed the hecklers. More than once as some voters called out for an investigation into Iraq Obama made a point that it was important to move on. The closest Obama came to blaming anyone that I recall is pointing out that the economic crisis had started before he was sworn in, and that was because he was constantly being blamed for it.

It also fails to take into account how it works: sure, sympathetic noises are made for those in need, but even if the goal of raising taxes to deal with it comes about (*) then those funds aren't taken from the rich (who have too many lawyers & tax shelters, and probably offshore accounts), but rather taken from the middle class and the poor and given to the rich. It's the rich who get their homes rebuilt time & time again while those in poor areas destroyed in a major disaster are pretty much shrugged off. It's the politicians and corporate power players that get the welfare (some call it "wealthfare") over and over again. It looks to remain the same under Obama who has done far more for CEOs who often flew in on their private jets to pick up their welfare, and in some cases used it for special bonuses, moving jobs overseas, and/or shutting their biz down anyway and retiring wealthy.

(* if that fails, declare a war, raise taxes, and keep 'em raised after the war is the classic that never fails...ok, the taxes raised during the Spanish American War were finally abolished a few years ago, but other than that...)

Some say that's not socialism, but I disagree (I'm talking about once applied, not what many people think of when they wish for it--the brochures and the reality of any ideology are very different from one another). Whatever system is in place, and even in the most Communist ones, the government and ruling class of industrialists and the like are the ones to benefit. Soviet Russia, the Russian Federation, China, the United States of America...a ruling class rules over them all, all in the guise of the ruling class taking care of everyone else. I'd say that's true of everywhere, just it's more blatant in some countries than others.

That said, I'm fully aware of the "the world owes me a living" group of people and despise them. However, the government & media doesn't ever really care about them as this modern retelling of the fable claims, only in exploiting them. And as any con-artist on the street can tell you, these types of people just beg to be exploited by the clever who promise them something for nothing. Con-artists do it, corporations do it, the government does it. And these sad individuals fall for it, time and time again, and it's messing this country up hardcore and ironically they're getting screwed right along with everyone else that they help to screw over in their own infantile selfishness (of course claiming it's everyone else whose selfish for not catering to their own selfish demands).

And THAT said, here's my favorite modern retelling of the ant & the grasshopper:
http://www.thewebzine.com/articles/071806Grasshopper.html

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katatonic
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posted October 22, 2009 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
kind of what i was trying to say. no self-respecting grasshopper would be hanging around in winter begging for food...nor does he care about government handouts.

thanks, node!

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pidaua
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posted October 23, 2009 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Obomber has doing else BUT blame Bush for all the ills of society Dervish. Hell, his administration (as well as Obomber) have even gone so far as to wage war against Fox news.

Jwhop.. This story is so right. Too many times we see the lazy people, those deviod of ambition, believing that those of us that work our butts off and save money, should give then part of our spoils.

Maybe if they spent more time working and not complaining like little bit**** they would be able to take care of themselves.

Then again, we are talking about the generation of entitlements.

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Azalaksh
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posted October 23, 2009 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
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that they provide jobs for people goes without saying! but that the people who do those jobs help them get rich ALSO GOES WITHOUT SAYING. fancy them wanting to be able to take their kids to the doctor once in awhile at a reasonable price!!
I agree with your statement, kat
I’m happy to still have my job at the large construction company I work for – the sentiment of the day is “the country is in a recession, but the construction industry is in a depression.” I’m glad to have **some** benefits, even though I have to pay around $250 a month (employee co-pay) for health insurance with a deductible of $3,000 – meaning, basically, I pay for all my own medical expenses AND pay $250/month for the privilege of paying my own way. Yes yes I know that the coverage is “there” if something catastrophic happens to me or my son healthwise – that is, if the insurance company doesn’t deny coverage for said calamity…..
The company provides a 401(k) plan for employees, and will match up to 2% of what we contribute – at a contribution amount of $11,000 wow, that’s $220/year!!
I work in accounting and have access to sensitive information. I see the bonuses that are paid out for project managers. I see the bonuses and dividends that are paid to the division managers and other upper management (who are also stockholders). I can’t help but wish I could see a little bigger slice of the pie, as I’m a part of what keeps this company engine chugging smoothly along. If it weren’t for people like me, managing the information and processes that make the company profitable, those division managers would have very little to manage. If the company can’t stay profitable by paying higher salaries for the regular folk, then what about cutting people like me in by handing out stock?? I work hard and put in O.T., so I don’t understand why some here consider it out of line to feel we are “entitled” to a bigger piece of the pie…..
It’s disheartening to see the new Jags and Lexuses and Beamers and ‘Vettes in the parking lot every year, when I can’t afford simple house repairs, and shop the thrift stores to get clothes for my kid :-\
At least we have enough to eat, a roof, and enough money for gas for the car to get to work -- others aren't so lucky.

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katatonic
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posted October 23, 2009 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
never mind zala, if you are good and patient and never step out of place maybe pharaoh will chuck you a crumb at crimble time.

or maybe one day YOU can have an idea that takes forty people to execute and they will work for you for the rest of their lives because they are so grateful to have a job!

i'm with the grasshopper. who needs the fricking ants? i'm off to play music for the tourists down the beach.

that is if they haven't collapsed it with all their tunnelling yet!

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posted October 24, 2009 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Can you link to a credible site of Obama blaming the Bush administration? And why isn't Obama pursuing "war crimes investigations" and the like which could be done now if the Obama & the Democrats really wanted to finish off the Republicans (rather than letting them destroy themselves)?

How has Obama declared war against FOX? Have they even come under an IRS audit, as typically happens to stations unfriendly to a president (of either party)?

I'm aware of Obama saying FOX News should be ignored, but that's not declaring war. He's right in that it would lose a lot of relevence if a lot of people stopped caring because MSNBC and the like took to ignoring FOX instead of feeding the fire, but that's not very entertaining or distracting, so it won't happen anyway. And I've heard conservatives for years to say ignore the other aspects of the mainstream media and shun other networks and those who listen to them and no one called that "waging war."

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posted October 24, 2009 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i think it is only the ants - the garbagemen of nature - who believe that anyone sits around having fun on welfare or unemployment. most people have to eat!

the so called "lazy indigents" feeding off the poor ants...only the queen feeds off the ants, oh and those animals that EAT them. this is not the welfare population! they don't eat anyone!

anyway enough breath on a stupid story that doesn't even make a good analogy to begin with..

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posted October 27, 2009 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Every family should have to work. Not all do. Almost everyone starts out at "the bottom". Why do some people stay there when others move on to bigger and better things? Is it determinism? Or is it our choices?

I'm thankful to the people who do the poorly paid work in this country and I wish we had a living wage in effect. But I'm not going to blame people who work their arses off to make more money for everyone who doesn't. If we're going to talk about the very few rich and powerful people who supposedly and conspiratorially control the world and keep everyone poorer than they otherwise could be, let's try and be specific.

Otherwise, you're slamming a very large percentage of our hardworking citizens. Because, seriously, don't let's act like everyone who is not well off just got unlucky. Plenty of people I know who are not well off outright say they'd rather spend time with their families and friends than go to school at night, even part-time, to get a degree. After all, that's eight years and debt. Well, fine. Good for you. We're choosing differently. But ten years down the line, when my family is better off thanks to the sacrifices we CHOSE to make, don't come banging on my door complaining that our success is at your expense.


All those people who worked to get Rowling's books out chose their jobs. As did she. She wasn't a wealthy person, clawing her way up some supposed ladder of evil and taking advantage of everyone who helped bring her books to the world. Is it her fault? Or mine? Or anyone else's? She's from the UK and I can speak from the US and a little from the Japanese perspective ... these are not countries where there is literally no paid work and no opportunities. We're not out there in rags, lucky and grateful if we're capable of herding animals and plowing fields out of need. How is anyone supposed to put out their creativity and discoveries in this world without others working, too? Hey, we could automate more so people don't have to do the "crappy" jobs but then, oops, that's evil, too. Can't "steal" people's jobs. My point is not that people shouldn't be paid more but why is it the artist's fault how much paint costs? Can we say Government failure .... again and again and again?


I know too many people who have come from nothing and worked very hard to build a better life for themselves and their families. And I know people who CHOSE a different path; sometimes one that didn't quite turn out to their advantage. No one should take credit for someone else's success and no one should be blamed for someone else's failure. IMO.


That's my view on individuals. The government just makes things worse. So many taxes taken from hardworking people supposedly for the needy ... but the needy are still needy. Where's the damned money? Seriously. They have not fixed a single problem for poor people. But those politicians sure love to trot the poor out around election time to try and make people feel guilty about making money. And they take more and do less. We've got loads of money going to bs projects but people are still hungry. Hey, maybe if people had more of their own money, they'd help their own neighborhoods. They'd have more money to invest or, shock and horror, donate. You know, like to non-profits? They're those nutty folk who actually help people and who are required to keep excellent track of their finances as opposed to the government that manages to just "lose" track of millions.

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posted October 27, 2009 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
couldn't agree more, eleanore...to a point. but there have always been, and will probably always be, beggars and poor people who for whatever reason - and it's FAR FROM ALWAYS laziness! - cannot "make the grade". what should we do with them? leave them in the streets to beg and rob the poor working sod? or donate 10% - honestly that is the same as the church asks in tithes, which are voluntary - to not only run the country but also create space for those people to shelter in?

or perhaps we should deny them healthcare and let them infect us as they lie in the street ailing. that would show them, right?

and since when does neglecting your children's upbringing to bring home a fatter piece of bacon equate with being "better off?" i know a lot of people think "providing" in the material sense is the be-all and end-all of parenting, but it doesn't leave much time for nurturing the hearts and minds of the kids...especially if you bring your job-related anger home with you!

i don't recall BLAMING the rich for anything, not oprah or jk rowling for sure. just pointed out that there is an interdependency at work that is often ignored by people who think "value producer" only means the person who HEADS the company. just ain't so...!

the corporate rich, the rockefellers, the government, well they come under a different heading altogether - but they have nothing to do with the ant and the grasshopper. the ant is the miserable sod who worked hard, played by the rules and is damned if he will give away anything to those who are less able, intelligent or fortunate. the fact that he pays the price of slaving away to feed his queen and lives underground is what makes him miserable to boot.

the grasshopper, as i've said a few times now, has no interest in the ant's food. THAT is why the story is bogus. the grasshopper is a summer creature. he doesn't blame the ant for winter, it's a fact of life.

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posted October 28, 2009 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Dervish, do your own homework.

Of course O'Bomber is making war against Fox News. O'Bomber even attempted to lock Fox out of the White House Press pool during an interview of a high level O'Bomber appointee.

Of course O'Bomber has opened an investigation into Bush Administration officials...of the CIA and staff of Attorneys who gave Bush advice.

O'Bomber would attempt to criminalize Fox and the Bush administration...if he thought he could get away with it. The public is against any such nonsense and O'Bomber's job approval ratings are below 50% and falling.

In fact, today's Rasmussen polls show only 30% strongly approve of O'Bomber's job performance WHILE 41% strongly disapprove.

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posted October 28, 2009 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
maybe your corner of the public would be against it but others would be all FOR it. some of us like to know the truth matters to our government. nice or not, but then some of us can also admit to making mistakes without having strokes.

i don't care what they say as long as they don't pretend its news.

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