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katatonic
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posted March 21, 2010 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
A look at the health care overhaul bill


By The Associated Press
The Associated Press
Sunday, March 21, 2010; 3:47 PM

-- Congressional Democrats have released a final version of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul bill in advance of a House vote planned for Sunday. Some features of the legislation, which makes changes to the bill the Senate passed on Christmas Eve:

COST: $940 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

HOW MANY COVERED: 32 million uninsured. Major coverage expansion begins in 2014. When fully phased in, 95 percent of eligible Americans would have coverage, compared with 83 percent today.

INSURANCE MANDATE: Almost everyone is required to be insured or else pay a fine. There is an exemption for low-income people. Mandate takes effect in 2014.

INSURANCE MARKET REFORMS: Starting this year, insurers would be forbidden from placing lifetime dollar limits on policies, from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions, and from canceling policies because someone gets sick. Parents would be able to keep older kids on their coverage up to age 26. A new high-risk pool would offer coverage to uninsured people with medical problems until 2014, when the coverage expansion goes into high gear. Major consumer safeguards would also take effect in 2014. Insurers would be prohibited from denying coverage to people with medical problems or charging them more. Insurers could not charge women more.


MEDICAID: Expands the federal-state Medicaid insurance program for the poor to cover people with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, $29,327 a year for a family of four. Childless adults would be covered for the first time, starting in 2014. The federal government would pay 100 percent of costs for covering newly eligible individuals through 2016. A special deal that would have given Nebraska 100 percent federal financing for newly eligible Medicaid recipients in perpetuity is eliminated. A different, one-time deal negotiated by Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu for her state, Louisiana, worth as much as $300 million, remains.

TAXES: Dramatically scales back a Senate-passed tax on high-cost insurance plans that was opposed by House Democrats and labor unions. The tax would be delayed until 2018, and the thresholds at which it is imposed would be $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. To make up for the lost revenue, the bill applies an increased Medicare payroll tax to the investment income and to the wages of individuals making more than $200,000, or married couples above $250,000. The tax on investment income would be 3.8 percent.

PRESCRIPTION DRUGS: Gradually closes the "doughnut hole" coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug benefit that seniors fall into once they have spent $2,830. Seniors who hit the gap this year will receive a $250 rebate. Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap receive a discount on brand name drugs, initially 50 percent off. When the gap is completely eliminated in 2020, seniors will still be responsible for 25 percent of the cost of their medications until Medicare's catastrophic coverage kicks in.

EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY: As in the Senate bill, businesses are not required to offer coverage. Instead, employers are hit with a fee if the government subsidizes their workers' coverage. The $2,000-per-employee fee would be assessed on the company's entire work force, minus an allowance. Companies with 50 or fewer workers are exempt from the requirement. Part-time workers are included in the calculations, counting two part-timers as one full-time worker.

SUBSIDIES: The proposal provides more generous tax credits for purchasing insurance than the original Senate bill did. The aid is available on a sliding scale for households making up to four times the federal poverty level, $88,200 for a family of four. Premiums for a family of four making $44,000 would be capped at around 6 percent of income.

HOW YOU CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE: Small businesses, the self-employed and the uninsured could pick a plan offered through new state-based purchasing pools called exchanges, opening for business in 2014. The exchanges would offer the same kind of purchasing power that employees of big companies benefit from. People working for medium-to-large firms would not see major changes. But if they lose their jobs or strike out on their own, they may be eligible for subsidized coverage through the exchange.

GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN: No government-run insurance plan. People purchasing coverage through the new insurance exchanges would have the option of signing up for national plans overseen by the federal office that manages the health plans available to members of Congress. Those plans would be private, but one would have to be nonprofit.

ABORTION: The proposal keeps the abortion provision in the Senate bill. Abortion opponents disagree on whether restrictions on taxpayer funding go far enough. The bill tries to maintain a strict separation between taxpayer dollars and private premiums that would pay for abortion coverage. No health plan would be required to offer coverage for abortion. In plans that do cover abortion, policyholders would have to pay for it separately, and that money would have to be kept in a separate account from taxpayer money. States could ban abortion coverage in plans offered through the exchange. Exceptions would be made for cases of rape, incest and danger to the life of the mother.

GOP HEALTH CARE SUMMIT IDEAS: Following a bipartisan health care summit last month, Obama announced he was open to incorporating several Republican ideas into his legislation. But two of the principle ones - hiring investigators to pose as patients and search for fraud at hospitals and increasing spending for medical malpractice reform initiatives - did not make it into the legislation released Thursday. The legislation incorporates only one, an increase in payments to primary care physicians under Medicaid, an idea mentioned by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/21/AR201003210 1637.html?nav%3Dhcmodule

sounds less than drastic to me...and plenty of time for the republicans to hammer out more changes...

a friend of mine quoted me "page 1000" for info on the planned microchipping of the population. i haven't been able to find it, anyone got a link or copy of this rumoured section?

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Dervish
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posted March 21, 2010 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I wonder, has health care being an obligation (ie, required to buy insurance) been phased out? That's the one that really ticked me off and scares me.

Since the media isn't really about informing us as much as influencing us I don't trust them to say if it has or hasn't been.

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posted March 21, 2010 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
On the Floor: streaming live CSPAN

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The House is now in the final hour of debate on the Senate health care legislation and the reconciliation bill. After the debate, there will be separate votes on both bills. Pres. Obama plans to have a statement after the final health care vote.

this is on the floor right now. The provision is on the link I will have to look for it. As stated in Kats' post and as far as I know 2014 is the year, and yes mandatory but with inclusions/ to be determined.

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posted March 21, 2010 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Damn them all.

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posted March 21, 2010 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well i found the supposed passage where we are all slated to be chipped with rfids...
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

pp 1000-1008

what it ACTUALLY pertains to is the REGISTRATION of all implantable devices INCLUDING rfid's - and just in case you don't know, there are already people voluntarily buying and wearing the infernal things...

BUT there is NO reference to IMPLANTING said devices, just a means of keeping track of who has them, kind of like firearm registration ...

another fox paranoia dissembled...

as to the mandatory insurance:

INSURANCE MANDATE: Almost everyone is required to be insured or else pay a fine. There is an exemption for low-income people. Mandate takes effect in 2014.

this is where the republicans get to do their bit!! and they have four years to do it...instead of this kill the bill no matter what's in it garbage they've been playing at for the PAST year. still i'm glad they farted around, it gave everybody a chance to look/see and a lot of revisions got taken care of.

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posted March 21, 2010 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the heads up on the rfid's

This will be fun for the geek to explore... really need to get out more

wiki-ness-=>

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The first reported experiment with an RFID implant was carried out in 1998 by the British scientist Kevin Warwick [1]. As a test, his implant was used to open doors, switch on lights, and cause verbal output within a building. The implant has since been held in the Science Museum (London).[citation needed]

Since that time, at least two additional hobbyists have placed RFID microchips implants into their hands or had them placed there by others.

Amal Graafstra, author of the book "RFID Toys," asked doctors to place implants in his hands. A cosmetic surgeon used a scalpel to place a microchip in his left hand, and his family doctor injected a chip into his right hand using a veterinary Avid injector kit. Graafstra uses the implants to open his home and car doors and to log on to his computer. Neither implant was the VeriChip brand.[2]

Mikey Sklar had a chip implanted into his left hand and filmed the procedure. He has done a number of media[3] and personal interviews[4] about his experience of being microchipped.



beam me up


Edit= Legislation

Following Wisconsin and North Dakota, California issued Senate Bill 362 in 2007, which prohibits employers and others from forcing anyone to have a RFID device implanted under their skin

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posted March 21, 2010 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
3590 Passed 10:46 p.m. EDT
+ Recon 11:47 p.m. EDT

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posted March 21, 2010 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
cool about the states...and thanks for the verdict on da bill!

i remember reading about those guys, i think they were english...but i've also seen people on tv talking about how, after 9/11 they went out and chipped their whole families just to be sure they could find them if anything like that happened again...etc etc etc.

even if it isn't a fiendish device of state control, i would not have that thing inside me...i knew a donkey when i was small who swallowed some barbed wire. you would think it would get stuck in his throat or whatever but they didn't find it till weeks later when it was discovered embedded in his gut...i won't be wearing any pacemakers either, no thanks. too many dire possibilities having foreign objects put inside you!

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