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katatonic
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posted March 26, 2010 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/25/violence-tea-party/

the fact that FOX NOOSE is the source of this video shouts to me that they are actually TRYING to incite civil war here. who is ready to die rather than accept this bill?? jwhop, where's your money on this one?

the blogger who urged people to throw bricks or whatever through the windows of their local democrats, then tried to cover his tracks by saying he is "trying to save nancy pelosi's life" - implying that if the government doesn't comply with the wishes of 1% of the country (his figures) these people aim to start taking heads. so, no DIRECT threats on the lives of the speaker, etc, just IMPLICATIONS...

martial law anyone? i suspect he would have been equally against social security when it was brought in, like those of his colour at the time. trouble is, he is ON social security disability and has been for some time. i guess they don't pay enough.

so i would really like to know if jwhop is rubbing his hands together at the prospect of getting those guns out and blazing. because that is what you and the rest of this crowd is pushing us toward.

one blog reply expressed dismay at how america could be the VERY last civilized country to embrace universal healthcare, and even more dismay at the fact that now we've finally got it, we want to kill the people who were elected to do it!! i have to agree...

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posted March 26, 2010 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/03/to-all-modern-sons-of-liberty- this-is.html
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We intend to maintain our God-given natural rights to liberty and property, and that means most especially the right to keep and bear arms.
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i'm trying to get my head around the math. 3% of the the 3 million gun owners in the country...that is an approximate statistic by the author...want to tell the rest of us that our votes don't count and they are telling us it is for our own good! where have i heard that before...oh, yes, in their complaints about the government healthcare bill.

3% of 3 million equals less than 100,000 people, doesn't it? and those people consider the right to bear arms as one of their most prized liberties. my kind of guy this government-supported rebel...

but i don't care for his definition of the constitution or democratic republic

this administration was elected and one of the things they ran on was HEALTHCARE REFORM. since when do a few nutjobs calling themselves patriots and freedom fighters have the right to call the shots???

where are the cries of outrage about the weathermen now?

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posted March 26, 2010 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
This from the green sidebar of the 3%
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Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders' Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation.

Sounds like they just want the Warhol 15 min...don't get me wrong it is not entirely as innocuous as that.

What has to be repeated again and again, [is that] these TOOLS are never reprimanded publicly by party leaders.

One thing that the hope platform would never accomplish is an end to the increasing divisiveness. It is unclear why these persons do not see what I and others perceive as part of the real problem. I think it stems from the disintegration, the erasure of, the middle class.

In just 10 years so much has been devalued and lost, from freedoms to the very infrastructure of Government itself.

Who would have thought that the most radical, the most extreme would not come from the left but it would be the conservatives the NeoCons -whichever label fits that would run the underground?? It makes sense in a certain way, if I think of it in terms of energy, biological energy, in a world slightly tilted.
The radical right feel shunted aside; the minority, so they feel they must walk loudly and carry a big stick.
Someone will eventually get hurt. I am a bit of a pessimist, I thought it would happen last fall.
This portion of society is being fed raw meat. Much of it raw *broadcast meat by the lovely Mr. Murdoch.

edit- out- the word Australian. Aussie Lamb is the finest in the land, and I meant no disrespect to anyone.


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posted March 27, 2010 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
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We are the people that the collectivists who now control the government should leave alone if they wish to continue unfettered oxygen consumption. We are the Three Percent. Attempt to further oppress us at your peril. To put it bluntly, leave us the hell alone. Or, if you feel froggy, go ahead AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.

One would imagine that with a -not so well disguised- threat like that others far worse are out there and being surveilled. This creeps me out.

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posted March 27, 2010 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
these people no doubt think the taliban are murderous criminals and see no resemblance at all between al qaeda and themselves...

and the rabble rousers whine that people want to shut them up...

the guy is outright saying, go break windows. isn't that what the nazis did to the people who weren't compliant enough? he also says they are willing to become a thousand "little wacos" to prove their point.

in other words, they would rather be dead than accept a law that says they have to buy insurance or accept gun-use regulations. this is basically a "bring it on" asking for civil war. charming negotiating tactic. a "test of will and skill"? do they actually think they can double dare the government into repealing the healthcare bill by threatening to defend themselves? with their HANDGUNS? sounds like a bunch of geezers who didn't get to go to vietnam and want to go out in a blaze of glory.

the effect they will PROBABLY achieve if anything is providing a good excuse for martial law. gotta love it!! where oh where is the cisco kid now??

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posted March 27, 2010 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
We know the Marxist Socialist Progressives are desperate to change the subject from what they actually did....Govern without the Consent of Americans; to what they allege others are doing.

But, that's not going to wash. Most of these morons are back in their districts and states for vacation getting face-fulls of outrage from those they stabbed in the back.

In the meantime, $10,000 has been offerred to anyone for video of any tea party member using racial slurs or spitting on Cleaver or any of the others who have made the allegation.

God, the hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife.

When O'Bomber told his thugs to go out and get in people's faces, his SEIU thugs went out and beat up a disabled man in Tampa.

Not a word of censure from these very same moron Socialist hypocrites, then or now...or from you katatonic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w&feature=player_embedded

Btw, that disabled man was black. 3 of his attackers were white. To Marxist Socialist Progressives that's not racism; that's an approved method of dealing with those who oppose O'Bomber.

Americans have marked their calendars. November 2, 2010 marks the end of governing without the consent of the governed.

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posted March 27, 2010 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Liz Cheney, Krauthammer, Kristol, Beck, Goldberg and all the rest regularly use false equivalencies as their central arguments against not only the left, but against core conservatives disgusted at what people like them have done to the conservative movement. They are not conservative - they're regressive. Their policies and values are closer to those of Iran, their social values closer to those of the Taliban.


Governing without the consent of the majority? Puhleez.

Why not put the prognostication of a Nov takeover on your sig. that way you do not have to type it on every post until then.

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posted March 27, 2010 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"Liz Cheney, Krauthammer, Kristol, Beck, Goldberg and all the rest regularly use false equivalencies as their central arguments"...Node

Got any examples of your "false equivalence arguments"...Node?

There's a tsunami rolling towards Washington DC; ETA 11pm November 2, 2010.

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posted March 27, 2010 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"When O'Bomber told his thugs to go out and get in people's faces, his SEIU thugs went out and beat up a disabled man in Tampa."

now that's funny i don't recall any such thing. i remember there were ugly incidents, but i don't recall anyone establishing that PRESIDENT obama sent anyone anywhere. i certainly don't remember him sending out death threats to key figures of the other party, or bragging about how he was going to subdue the opposition with superior firepower and screw the majority!!

as to the consent of the people, no one asked ME if we should go to war in iraq - if they had i surely would have told them they did NOT have MY CONSENT. this administration was voted in. if they didn't do the job that everybody approves of they are no different than ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION who was less than perfect. which means ALL OF THEM!!


in what way are these people any different than your common garden terrorist jwhop? just answer a question without the campaign slogans for once. and are you ready to die rather than see this bill enacted? because any of these davids going against the govt firepower with their slingshot "arms" are going to be AT BEST martyrs, and FOR CERTAIN dead.

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posted March 27, 2010 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
That was a really amazingly poor argument, Jwhop.

Changing the subject? How? You're the one who keeps attempting to change the subject.

As to "alleging" things. These aren't allegations. These are things Node and Kat found at that site.

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Not a word of censure from these very same moron Socialist hypocrites, then or now...or from you katatonic.

One would have thought that you'd censure your own people for the stuff they're doing, but, crazy as it seems, I don't hear one word of censure from you. In fact, it looks like you're endorsing the acts of Conservative activist extremists.

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posted March 27, 2010 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i have marked that date too! it is my wedding anniversary! see you at the polls big bopper!

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posted March 28, 2010 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
They should be happy with Obama if they consider the 2A very important. The SCOTUS is looking now to overturn Illinois gun control (and people had been complaining that Obama would push his agenda through the SCOTUS so I guess this must be part of his agenda).

But much more importantly, Obama has signed into law the overturning of the Reagan ban against carrying guns into national parks. All who love the 2A should praise Obama for undoing Reagan's gun control measure. Obama also joined in voting in a law that would prevent another gun grab as happened in post-Katrina New Orleans under the orders of FEMA, led by a guy appointed by Bush, IIRC.

Which reminds me, those czars so many go on about under Obama, Goerge W Bush appointed many himself, as did Reagan and many other Republicans. But it wasn't considered commie then. (I recall mentioning this back in 2000 and remember being called a Leftist Loony by a Dittohead for not supporting the appointments of czars in government. I guess if I talk like that now I'd be thought of as a right wing fellow traveler. )

Oh, and while dwelling on that irony, here's another related to the other issue he's up in arms about:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100327/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_requiring_insurance


But then big biz was tired of footing the bill, so I expect something like this would've happened under a Republican, too. McCain & Romney seemed to have supported something similar (at least in Massachusetts) though the details escape me. Of course the reasoning would've been different, and some of those for & against would be on opposite sides now, as it's party before issues for all too many.

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posted March 28, 2010 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
The NP firearm ban was instituted by Sir Ronald??

Not only can we carry in a TX bar, but a National Park?????

Lawsy Mercy


Re: The health care hypocrisy. These revelations have ceased to amaze me. The boomerang happens with every finger point. Left and Right hands.
Thanks for the post[s] Dervish

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posted March 28, 2010 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
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....'guns will be allowed in all but about 20 of the park service’s 392 locations, including some of its most iconic parks: Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon, Great Smoky Mountains, Yosemite and Rocky Mountain National Park. Guns will not be allowed in visitor centers or rangers’ offices, because firearms are banned in federal buildings, but they could be carried into private lodges or concession stands, depending on state laws.

link

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A Battle Worth Fighting

In an earlier commentary, I said the national park gun rule/law was a waste of time and conservation groups and park retiree and ranger nonprofits had bigger fish to fry. My reasoning was--and is--that people have been taking guns into national parks for decades and will continue to do so whether or not it’s legal. Nobody really disputes this fact, but the point is, through those decades, there has been minuscule, if any, gun-related incidents in national parks..,

...I had to retract my waste-of-time commentary when it became clear that the Battle of the National Parks was worth fighting. It turned into a political war that told us who was Boss. The clear winner was the gun lobby and the millions of gun owners it represents. It was sort of a no contest, actually.

....FWS statistics tell the same story. Since 1992, 50 percent of people involved in grizzly encounters and defending themselves with firearms suffered injury. Those defending themselves with bear pepper spray escaped injury most of the time and those who were injured experienced shorter attacks and less severe injuries. Pepper spray is a lot easier on the bear, too.



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posted March 28, 2010 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
that went through with the credit repair bill, didn't it? tacked and tucked into the middle of a bill with no relevance to guns whatsoever to get the support of the gun lobbyists...

i am so fed up with government in general. even the best of them are so used to playing wheel-and-deal that there is no such thing as just doing something straightforwardly anymore. but this little injection into the bill was outrageously irrelevant.

i would love someone to tell me exactly where the gun-owners have been pushed back and robbed of rights. i know guns are supposed to be registered, but it seems to me there are more concessions to the gunTOTERS than those who want control. not being a gunholder myself i am not conversant with the draconian regulations some seem obsessed with.

jwhop? anyone? enlighten me -- but without spewing the party line!

and i just want to say that having spent an hour listening to the conservative talk show version of events today, what amazes me MOST is that both - or should say ALL - sides have the same things to say, it is only the protagonists who change depending on the speakers...is there ANY way that we can get people talking to each other on the same page again, instead of shouting past each other's shoulders?

for the conservatives it is the socialists and muslims we should be afraid of. they are infiltrating and planning on killing us, if you believe the story line, and our president is at the front of the line. never mind that most of the socialist countries cited as examples bear no resemblance to the gulags and soviets they are sure we will become.

on the other side the left worry about the corrupt christians, the corporatocracy, different presidents, and so on...they are infiltrating and planning on killing us too!!
and THEY seem not to realize that you cannot cover every possible crisis with more government without suffocating the life out of it.

and they are both right and both wrong. so, once more, what can we do? apart from making our very own custer's last stands when they come to FORCE us to buy insurance or fight in a war we want no part of...shall we spare them the trouble of killing us all and just make like lemmings jumping into the sea?

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posted March 29, 2010 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
RE:
Bury the legislation within an unrelated Bill.

Turns out it was inserted by Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn

This from last may:
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House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters on Tuesday that the House could vote separately on the gun legislation. Doing so would allow each measure to pass, but Democrats who endorse credit card reform could still vote as they wished on the gun measure.

If the two measures are passed separately as expected, they would be rejoined before being sent to the president as a single bill, Hoyer said.
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posted March 29, 2010 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Answering how gun owners have been oppressed is difficult to answer because of 3 reasons:

1. The BATF is your standard federal goon squad, much like the DEA, and is far too rabid, yet who it goes after often seems random and leaves many others alone. It's almost as if they just pick someone to go after (whether or not they have any actual reason to) based on how bored they happen to be at the time.

2. Requirements also vary greatly across states.

Heck, not just states. Here in California, what is required by law in one county can instantly turn into a felony once you cross county lines. And as they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse (at least for the peasants).

3. The NRA itself adds to the complications of gun owners in making its political deals, but at the same time, no matter how good it has it, it will trumpet like its the end times. Otherwise, who would send them money?

And this is all complicated by the general ignorance out there, and where too many people think they know a lot more about guns, gun crimes, and violence because they see it on TV and mistake that for real life. And there are the tribal party lines as well. And both sides have a strong tendency to willfully ignore that which would contradict their own view, and both sides also are known to doctor their statistics on purpose in willful deceit.

I can think of many examples to illustrate what I mean by I'm being very Libra right now and can't decide which to go with so I'll leave it at that.

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Here's another wheel & deal that blew my mind:
http://www.gaysagainstobama.org/2009/10/lgbt-people-get-hate-crimes-bill-at.html

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One more time: A bill supposedly designed to "keep LGBTQ people safe" will also fund the murder of thousands of innocent people in Obama's never-ending wars. It is so absurd that I would laugh, except it makes me want to cry.

Call me a cynic, but I see it as nothing more than an ingenious move by Obama to work progressive realness (and I predict that liberals and HRC-sexuals will soon start squealing about how she's so convincing) while she quietly ratchets up her trademark neo-con imperialism and genocide. But then, I have actually read the bill. It is 500 pages or so of "here's hundreds of billions of dollars for war, weapons manufacturers, private mercenaries, mass murder, destabilizing foreign governments, and propaganda", followed by a brief snippet about the brutal murder of that pretty white gay cis boy and how such behavior will NOT be tolerated. Yet the Dems decided to nickname a bill that is dedicated almost entirely to perpetuating Bush's (and now Obama's) wars "The Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act"?

It was a brilliant PR move though. This bill will be overwhelmingly referenced as the Hate Crimes Bill for Queers in the news cycle, especially coming on the heels of Obama's Big Gay HRC speech. There will be little-to-no discussion of the fact that the bill (which Obama--the peacenik candidate--has pledged to sign) funnels billions into the Pope of Hope's coffers to sustain his wars of aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan


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posted April 01, 2010 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Are there as many reasons for the addition, insertion, or modification of proposed legislation as asteroids in the universe? Maybe

But it remains [that] this happens frequently, what also happens, slightly less frequently: are separate measures in a proposal voted on separately? I do not know if that is the case here, but it seems likely.

I googled the Matthew Shepard Act as I remember the crime happening in WY, and my Mom is from Wyoming.
Anyhow, the history is quite lengthy` The legislation was introduced for Ten years by different sponsors, and had revisions etc.


The NDAA or 2647 itself might be slightly mis-characterized as well, it is rather large and contains many subsections.

Library of Congress H.R. 2647 6 versions history and text=>
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2647:

also I found the summary of amendments here-> http://rules.house.gov/amendment_details.aspx?NewsID=4326 interesting.

In particular Wingnut Gingrey GA and the withdrawn #124, 126

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i don't remember obama being the "peacenik" candidate. i remember watching a debate where he specifically talked about going into afghanistan, killing bin laden, etc...why are people surprised by this?

the hate crimes act is the same one jwhop and others were labelling the "paedophile protection act" isn't it? so i'm not surprised to see it is buried in an arms acruing bill since that is something guaranteed to get yea votes from the people who will not lift a finger for anything that suggests legislating to protect gays? seems this is common garden procedure. probably ANY bill out there has buried passages designed to slide by without notice, or pick up a few votes that would otherwise go the other way.

and on another note, why is obama continually referred to as she in the quote above? the writer claims to have read the bill but do they understand english??

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although eisenhower basically blames the soviet union for the arms race here, he also puts into basic english for even the rationally challenged to understand the COST IN HUMAN TERMS of the industrial-military push for more and more weapons. was anyone listening? i was in nursery school but i wonder why this information never became COMMON KNOWLEDGE before?

if we recycled the weapons we had 30 YEARS AGO we would never need to mine for metal again...why is an arms bill the one thing congress is guaranteed to vote through? and why do so few people protest the SHEER WASTE of money that could have been spent on domestic life and commerce?????

once again, i have not approved one single war the US or anyone else has been in in decades. not only that, but congress has not declared war in decades...so what is it we are doing fighting all over the world for?

"Transcript
In this spring of 1953 the free world weighs one question above all others: the chance for a just peace for all peoples.

To weigh this chance is to summon instantly to mind another recent moment of great decision. It came with that yet more hopeful spring of 1945, bright with the promise of victory and of freedom. The hope of all just men in that moment too was a just and lasting peace.

The 8 years that have passed have seen that hope waver, grow dim, and almost die. And the shadow of fear again has darkly lengthened across the world.

Today the hope of free men remains stubborn and brave, but it is sternly disciplined by experience. It shuns not only all crude counsel of despair but also the self-deceit of easy illusion. It weighs the chance for peace with sure, clear knowledge of what happened to the vain hope of 1945.

In that spring of victory the soldiers of the Western Allies met the soldiers of Russia in the center of Europe. They were triumphant comrades in arms. Their peoples shared the joyous prospect of building, in honor of their dead, the only fitting monument—an age of just peace. All these war-weary peoples shared too this concrete, decent purpose: to guard vigilantly against the domination ever again of any part of the world by a single, unbridled aggressive power.

This common purpose lasted an instant and perished. The nations of the world divided to follow two distinct roads.

The United States and our valued friends, the other free nations, chose one road.

The leaders of the Soviet Union chose another.

The way chosen by the United States was plainly marked by a few clear precepts, which govern its conduct in world affairs.

First: No people on earth can be held, as a people, to be an enemy, for all humanity shares the common hunger for peace and fellowship and justice.

Second: No nation's security and well-being can be lastingly achieved in isolation but only in effective cooperation with fellow nations.

Third: Any nation's right to a form of government and an economic system of its own choosing is inalienable.

Fourth: Any nation's attempt to dictate to other nations their form of government is indefensible.

And fifth: A nation's hope of lasting peace cannot be firmly based upon any race in armaments but rather upon just relations and honest understanding with all other nations.

In the light of these principles the citizens of the United States defined the way they proposed to follow, through the aftermath of war, toward true peace.

This way was faithful to the spirit that inspired the United Nations: to prohibit strife, to relieve tensions, to banish fears. This way was to control and to reduce armaments. This way was to allow all nations to devote their energies and resources to the great and good tasks of healing the war's wounds, of clothing and feeding and housing the needy, of perfecting a just political life, of enjoying the fruits of their own free toil.

The Soviet government held a vastly different vision of the future.

In the world of its design, security was to be found, not in mutual trust and mutual aid but in force: huge armies, subversion, rule of neighbor nations. The goal was power superiority at all cost. Security was to be sought by denying it to all others.

The result has been tragic for the world and, for the Soviet Union, it has also been ironic.

The amassing of Soviet power alerted free nations to a new danger of aggression. It compelled them in self-defense to spend unprecedented money and energy for armaments. It forced them to develop weapons of war now capable of inflicting instant and terrible punishment upon any aggressor.

It instilled in the free nations—and let none doubt this—the unshakable conviction that, as long as there persists a threat to freedom, they must, at any cost, remain armed, strong, and ready for the risk of war.

It inspired them—and let none doubt this—to attain a unity of purpose and will beyond the power of propaganda or pressure to break, now or ever.

There remained, however, one thing essentially unchanged and unaffected by Soviet conduct: the readiness of the free nations to welcome sincerely any genuine evidence of peaceful purpose enabling all peoples again to resume their common quest of just peace.

The free nations, most solemnly and repeatedly, have assured the Soviet Union that their firm association has never had any aggressive purpose whatsoever. Soviet leaders, however, have seemed to persuade themselves, or tried to persuade their people, otherwise.

And so it has come to pass that the Soviet Union itself has shared and suffered the very fears it has fostered in the rest of the world.

This has been the way of life forged by 8 years of fear and force.

What can the world, or any nation in it, hope for if no turning is found on this dread road?

The worst to be feared and the best to be expected can be simply stated.

The worst is atomic war.

The best would be this: a life of perpetual fear and tension; a burden of arms draining the wealth and the labor of all peoples; a wasting of strength that defies the American system or the Soviet system or any system to achieve true abundance and happiness for the peoples of this earth.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.

It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

These plain and cruel truths define the peril and point the hope that come with this spring of 1953.

This is one of those times in the affairs of nations when the gravest choices must be made, if there is to be a turning toward a just and lasting peace.

It is a moment that calls upon the governments of the world to speak their intentions with simplicity and with honesty.

It calls upon them to answer the question that stirs the hearts of all sane men: is there no other way the world may live?

The world knows that an era ended with the death of Joseph Stalin. The extraordinary 30-year span of his rule saw the Soviet Empire expand to reach from the Baltic Sea to the Sea of Japan, finally to dominate 800 million souls.

The Soviet system shaped by Stalin and his predecessors was born of one World War. It survived with stubborn and often amazing courage a second World War. It has lived to threaten a third.

Now a new leadership has assumed power in the Soviet Union. Its links to the past, however strong, cannot bind it completely. Its future is, in great part, its own to make.

This new leadership confronts a free world aroused, as rarely in its history, by the will to stay free.

This free world knows, out of the bitter wisdom of experience, that vigilance and sacrifice are the price of liberty.

It knows that the defense of Western Europe imperatively demands the unity of purpose and action made possible by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, embracing a European Defense Community.

It knows that Western Germany deserves to be a free and equal partner in this community and that this, for Germany, is the only safe way to full, final unity.

It knows that aggression in Korea and in southeast Asia are threats to the whole free community to be met by united action.

This is the kind of free world which the new Soviet leadership confronts. It is a world that demands and expects the fullest respect of its rights and interests. It is a world that will always accord the same respect to all others.

So the new Soviet leadership now has a precious opportunity to awaken, with the rest of the world, to the point of peril reached and to help turn the tide of history.

Will it do this?

We do not yet know. Recent statements and gestures of Soviet leaders give some evidence that they may recognize this critical moment.

We welcome every honest act of peace.

We care nothing for mere rhetoric.

We are only for sincerity of peaceful purpose attested by deeds. The opportunities for such deeds are many. The performance of a great number of them waits upon no complex protocol but upon the simple will to do them. Even a few such clear and specific acts, such as the Soviet Union's signature upon an Austrian treaty or its release of thousands of prisoners still held from World War II, would be impressive signs of sincere intent. They would carry a power of persuasion not to be matched by any amount of oratory.

This we do know: a world that begins to witness the rebirth of trust among nations can find its 'way to a peace that is neither partial nor punitive.

With all who will work in good faith toward such a peace, we are ready, with renewed resolve, to strive to redeem the near-lost hopes of our day.

The first great step along this way must be the conclusion of an honorable armistice in Korea.

This means the immediate cessation of hostilities and the prompt initiation of political discussions leading to the holding of free elections in a united Korea.

It should mean, no less importantly, an end to the direct and indirect attacks upon the security of Indochina and Malaya. For any armistice in Korea that merely released aggressive armies to attack elsewhere would be a fraud.

We seek, throughout Asia as throughout the world, a peace that is true and total.

Out of this can grow a still wider task—the achieving of just political settlements for the other serious and specific issues between the free world and the Soviet Union.

None of these issues, great or small, is insoluble—given only the will to respect the rights of all nations.

Again we say: the United States is ready to assume its just part.

We have already done all within our power to speed conclusion of a treaty with Austria, which will free that country from economic exploitation and from occupation by foreign troops.

We are ready not only to press forward with the present plans for closer unity of the nations of Western Europe but also, upon that foundation, to strive to foster a broader European community, conducive to the free movement of persons, of trade, and of ideas.

This community would include a free and united Germany, with a government based upon free and secret elections.

This free community and the full independence of the East European nations could mean the end of the present unnatural division of Europe.

As progress in all these areas strengthens world trust, we could proceed concurrently with the next great work—the reduction of the burden of armaments now weighing upon the world. To this end we would welcome and enter into the most solemn agreements. These could properly include:

1. The limitation, by absolute numbers or by an agreed international ratio, of the sizes of the military and security forces of all nations.

2. A commitment by all nations to set an agreed limit upon that proportion of total production of certain strategic materials to be devoted to military purposes.

3. International control of atomic energy to promote its use for peaceful purposes only and to insure the prohibition of atomic weapons.

4. A limitation or prohibition of other categories of weapons of great destructiveness.

5. The enforcement of all these agreed limitations and prohibitions by adequate safeguards, including a practical system of inspection under the United Nations.

The details of such disarmament programs are manifestly critical and complex. Neither the United States nor any other nation can properly claim to possess a perfect, immutable formula. But the formula matters less than the faith—the good faith without which no formula can work justly and effectively.

The fruit of success in all these tasks would present the world with the greatest task, and the greatest opportunity, of all. It is this: the dedication of the energies, the resources, and the imaginations of all peaceful nations to a new kind of war. This would be a declared total war, not upon any human enemy but upon the brute forces of poverty and need.

The peace we seek, rounded upon decent trust and cooperative effort among nations, can be fortified, not by weapons of war but by wheat and by cotton, by milk and by wool, by meat and by timber and by rice. These are words that translate into every language on earth. These are needs that challenge this world in arms.

This idea of a just and peaceful world is not new or strange to us. It inspired the people of the United States to initiate the European Recovery Program in 1947. That program was prepared to treat, with like and equal concern, the needs of Eastern and Western Europe.

We are prepared to reaffirm, with the most concrete evidence, our readiness to help build a world in which all peoples can be productive and prosperous.

This Government is ready to ask its people to join with all nations in devoting a substantial percentage of the savings achieved by disarmament to a fund for world aid and reconstruction. The purposes of this great work would be to help other peoples to develop the undeveloped areas of the world, to stimulate profitable and fair world trade, to assist all peoples to know the blessings of productive freedom.

The monuments to this new kind of war would be these: roads and schools, hospitals and homes, food and health.

We are ready, in short, to dedicate our strength to serving the needs, rather than the fears, of the world.

We are ready, by these and all such actions, to make of the United Nations an institution that can effectively guard the peace and security of all peoples.

I know of nothing I can add to make plainer the sincere purpose of the United States.

I know of no course, other than that marked by these and similar actions, that can be called the highway of peace.

I know of only one question upon which progress waits. It is this:

What is the Soviet Union ready to do?

Whatever the answer be, let it be plainly spoken.

Again we say: the hunger for peace is too great, the hour in history too late, for any government to mock men's hopes with mere words and promises and gestures.

The test of truth is simple. There can be no persuasion but by deeds.

Is the new leadership of the Soviet Union prepared to use its decisive influence in the Communist world, including control of the flow of arms, to bring not merely an expedient truce in Korea but genuine peace in Asia?

Is it prepared to allow other nations, including those of Eastern Europe, the free choice of their own forms of government?

Is it prepared to act in concert with others upon serious disarmament proposals to be made firmly effective by stringent U.N. control and inspection?

If not, where then is the concrete evidence of the Soviet Union's concern for peace?

The test is clear.

There is, before all peoples, a precious chance to turn the black tide of events. If we failed to strive to seize this chance, the judgment of future ages would be harsh and just.

If we strive but fail and the world remains armed against itself, it at least need be divided no longer in its clear knowledge of who has condemned humankind to this fate.

The purpose of the United States, in stating these proposals, is simple and clear.

These proposals spring, without ulterior purpose or political passion, from our calm conviction that the hunger for peace is in the hearts of all peoples—those of Russia and of China no less than of our own country.

They conform to our firm faith that God created men to enjoy, not destroy, the fruits of the earth and of their own toil.

They aspire to this: the lifting, from the backs and from the hearts of men, of their burden of arms and of fears, so that they may find before them a golden age of freedom and of peace."

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