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jwhop
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posted May 14, 2010 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
America is a Center/Right nation.

No one who reads the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, NewsWeek or other leftist bloviators would ever know that from what they read there.

Neither would they even suspect America is a Center/Right nation by listening to babbling, bloviating weak kneed so called "moderate" republicans...small cap...who pander to the press for a favorable published image.

However, there are some new players on the Republican field who are not afraid of delivering the undiluted Conservative message to America and who don't back up an inch when confronted by the political activists and propaganda arm of the demoscat party...the leftist press.

It's a new experience for members of the leftist press when they get called out, either by name or by the organ of disinformation they represent...their MSM name.

Sarah Palin took the press on...all of them...when she said..."I am not going to Washington to seek the good opinion of the press".

There are other Republicans, like Eric Cantor, Michele Bachmann, Paul Ryan and others who deliver the Conservative values undiluted and without apology to the MSM which just hates it when anyone pushes back against their bloviation.

Now, there's a Conservative Republican Governor of New Jersey who is reining in out of control spending, taking on the teachers unions and setting the state government on a course of financial responsibility.

Of course, the MSM despise the ground Chris Christie walks on. But, Christie is in good company.

May 14, 2010
Governor Christie schools a reporter
Greg Halvorson

Do you want to see what a leader looks like ? How a pol with no tolerance for fools asserts pragmatism? Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, is a leader whose political outlook is the Left's worst nightmare. The following clip begins with Christie responding to a reporter, who asks, "Governor, do you think this sort of confrontational tone you're taking can increase your odds of getting this through the legislature?"

Christie responds by saying, "You know, Tom (the reporter), you must be the thinnest-skinned guy in America. Because if you think that's a confrontational tone, then you should really see me when I'm **pi$$ed** .... I love it when people say they don't want to have argument. That's what we were sent here for. They (the unions) believe in certain things. They believe in bigger government, higher taxes and more spending. I believe in less government, lower taxes and in empowering local officials who are elected by their citizens to be able to fix their problems."

It gets better. Christie's approach to fiscal honesty is the antidote for malaise. Pandering, lying and dissimulating are out. Finally, in Jersey, leadership is in.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/05/governor_christie_schools_a_re.html

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posted May 14, 2010 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Oooooh....a tough guy taking on the teacher's union. What could be more endearing to the voters than a guy that messes with their children's educators?

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jwhop
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posted May 14, 2010 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I admit Christie IS taking on teachers unions...and public employee unions in New Jersey which have come close to bankrupting the state.

Let's compare Christie to the leftist morons in the state legislature of California who have brought the state to the very edge of bankruptcy by...catering to and caving in to teachers unions in salaries, health insurance and pension funding as well as other public employee unions.

I'm not the least interested in sending taxpayer dollars to California to bail out the smucks who are genetically incapable of managing California's budgets.

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posted May 14, 2010 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Personally, I wouldn't take away funding from teachers that are teaching students who manage to beat the national average in test scores as is the case in New Jersey. Seems like a rather stupid fight.
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/stateprofiles/sresult.asp?mode=short&s1=34

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posted May 14, 2010 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Center/Right nation

yeahh..right

That's why 52 percent voted for Barack Obama. He's a liberal , but he is presiding as a moderate.


I just think too many conservatives in our country don't have consideration for people that don't share their values and belief systems. That's always been a problem. This definitely has been to the expense of homosexuals who don't have any rights to marry the person that they love except in a few states. Homosexual marriage is legalized in predominantly Roman Catholic Spain. What's wrong with that picture.

It's no different from the miscegenation laws that were struck down in 1967. It was ideological beliefs that were behind that stuff just like it's behind the homosexual marriage bans.

I don't care about the test scores.

The whole damned education system needs to be overhauled. Have multisensory teaching methods be in the schools. Lets get rid of the auditory sequential teaching method system that is in schools.

Train teachers to adapt to the learning styles of their students. There has been too much of students having to adapt to the teacher's teaching style. If they have trouble adapting, then the students are viewed as having something wrong with them. It could be the fault of the education system.

Real learning goes beyond learning to have high scores on tests.


Developmental Neurodiversity Association is going to push for education reform.
It's strongly needed.

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posted May 14, 2010 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I agree that we do need some rather significant change in our education system. I've recently heard the complaint that the whole system now is geared towards getting students to perform on these tests. The kids perform on the tests, and then promptly forget everything not relevant to the next test. That may be a bit of an exaggeration, but the critique is relevant I think.

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jwhop
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posted May 14, 2010 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
No need to attempt arguing against a center/right America Glaucus. Polls remain constant over decades that about 60% of Americans self identify as conservative.

Of course, rather than having an emotional meltdown, you could have checked it out for yourself.

No one said anything about "reducing" teacher pay, or firing all the teachers or any of the blather spread about by teacher's unions...in California and elsewhere.

However, teacher pay, teacher pensions and teacher healh insurance needs to remain static for some years while state's ability to pay for them catch up.

Best practice for Californians would be to fire their demoscats in the state legislature and Senate...who caved in to teacher and employee unions granting them overly fat benefits for which the state could not pay.

Is the state of California still handing out IOUs in lieu of money...for salaries, bill payments etc.

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posted May 14, 2010 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
no the state of california was not too proud to accept money from the feds so they could pay people's wages. as far as i know the IOUs are covered and discontinued...

i don't think any of the teachers' unions provide for a full pension after one term of employment like congress does, do they? but at least dc has voted not to give themselves a raise this year. grateful for small blessings i guess.

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posted May 14, 2010 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
The issue wasn't ever about Caifornia teachers, though. California's test scores are below average, so something needs to be done that probably requires more money.

The issue is the New Jersey governor who seems to want to take issue with teacher's unions even though the teachers are doing a good job as far as they are measured.

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posted May 14, 2010 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
No acoustic, California schools was your issue, not mine. You didn't start this thread, I did.

So, from where did you pull your statistics about CA schools.

As for Governor Christie, he's doing the job taxpayers of New Jersey elected him to do...get control over state spending.

I just heard he also is pushing for a 2% cap on property tax raises.

I honestly don't know when teacher's pensions are vested katatonic but I would be against congressional members getting retirement benefits from only one term in office.

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posted May 14, 2010 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
California schools wasn't my issue. I didn't bring up California schools. You did...but not in the initial post.

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So, from where did you pull your statistics about CA schools.

Did you see my link to the NJ school test results?

Wow, must be Friday generosity or something. Here you go: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/stateprofiles/

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katatonic
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posted May 14, 2010 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
generally teachers have to work a certain period (longer than one year) before they get tenure. not sure what the specific time is...

but i have heard that all members of the legislature get full pensions no matter how long they serve (i almost put swerve there)...can't remember where though. they also get to decide their own pay raises, a privilege not afforded most people.

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posted May 14, 2010 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
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I've recently heard the complaint that the whole system now is geared towards getting students to perform on these tests.

I see it here in Queensland with the NAPLAN test. So much time goes into training students to pass this test. There is HUGE pressure from above to get these kids to do well. Principal's jobs are at risk if grades are poor.

There is so much emphasis placed on one moment in time with a certain question that a child must answer with expert precision.

I feel that the tests have a certain political motivation behind them as well, in regard to passing subliminal messages to children. eg, eating kangaroo meat is a better choice than cow's meat because of environmental and economic factors.

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jwhop
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posted May 15, 2010 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Yes acoustic, I saw your link. That link took me to a page devoted to New Jersey schools.

I see you've since posted the link to all public schools. You're right, CA public schools are a scandal and waste of taxpayer funds.

I've heard the baloney about testing to grade levels before. Teachers and teacher's unions were against it...because it brings their incompetence into focus for parents and other taxpayers to see.

Think hard now. What is the purpose of a test...as it applies to the acquisition of knowledge?

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posted May 16, 2010 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
hahahaha jwop - you're so ignorant!!

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posted May 16, 2010 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
Look at it this way..... Teachers only have about 12 hours a week with their students to teach core curriculum. The other areas are PE, Music, ITC, and other specialist lessons.

Now, the govt says "Test your students . The test is in 3 weeks time"

You have 36 hours to teach, let's say....

1. Strange Allergies
2. Antivirus software.
3. Architectural movements.
4. Asthma solutions.
5. Classic Cars.

6. Barbecue tips.
7. Bed and Breakfast.
8. Charity methods.
9. Chess strategy and tactics.
10. Mountain climbing.

11. Dental care.
12. Exotic pets.
13. Famous illusionists.
14. Feng Shui.
15. Formula 1 racing.

16. Game boys.
17. Guitar manufacturing.
18. Hinduism, world's third largest religion.
19. Horse breeds.
20. Indian Food.

21. Italian cuisine.
22. Kayaking.
23. Kosher Food.
24. Landscaping.
25. Fundamentals of logistics.

26. Multiple Sclerosis.
27. Parenting.
28. Snowboarding.
29. Stress management.
30. Historical Dodge trucks.

31. Voice Over IP.
32. Wakeboarding.
33. Wildlife.
34. Wine making.
35. Yoga.


Test Day....

Question 1: Why is kangaroo meat better than cows meat for the economy?

Question 2: A charity gets $24,567.80 in funds. Is taxed 12% and pays 7% commission to 5 workers who worked 10 days for 8 hours per day. How much profit did the charity make?

See? It's all a big surprise!!

Why are you not in teaching, jwop? You're an intelligent person? The Profession needs more people like you!!!!! Get those kids ready for The Test. You know everything and have got everything covered. The kids can't lose

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As for California schools, the unions work together with some librarians (the librarians do far more to create an educated populace than a school, btw) and screwed them over to get a whopping 1/3 raise, which they're paying for now. The librarians have turned against them and the financial burden means several teachers have been let go and it's expected many more will be let go next year. Right now those in the union are looking to be the ones not cut, so of course they're not seeking another raise and more bennies.

Also, there's 1 administrator per 3 teachers (average), and that soaks up a lot of the money right there (they get paid more for screwing it up, and then demanding more money for having screwed it up in the first place).

Btw, back in my teens I was part of a group of homeschoolers and unschoolers in California. Quite a few had been taken out of public school and put in our group and the ONLY tax dollars we benefited from was the use of the public library. Yet in every case I knew of, both academic and social achievement soared, and in addition, we got better jobs. For example, while kids in school got crap jobs at McD's, we'd become independent contractors or start our own businesses. Finally, those who pursued higher education were about the only ones in our area not to need "bonehead courses" (ie, remedial math, composition, etc, that most high school graduates needed in order to get into college).

In contrast, one public school said they needed more money to fix themselves and got it, but got worse. So they got MORE money and got even worse.

The lesson? Not all problems can be solved by throwing money at them (especially when failure is rewarded with more money and success punished with no new money and even having their program cut as is frequently the case in government work). In the case of public schools, just throwing them out with the bathwater does seem to be the best way to go.

Oh, I'm sure they could be fixed. Jaime Escalante proved it COULD work IF the overpaid administrators controlling it now could be foiled. But as it is, even he gave up and went back to his home country, and all his positive changes he made have been undone. So yeah, just erase the whole equation and start from scratch barring anyone with administrative experience in schools. Conversely, fire at least 90% of the administrators, and not only would that take care of many problems (more than they'd create, I believe), but there'd be a surplus of cash right there. Of course this assumes the purpose of schools is to create an educated populace rather than a conditioned one, which is a wrong assumption to make.

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posted May 18, 2010 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Dervish,

Do you have facebook?

If so add me.

I'd like you to be one of my facebook friends.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/raymond.n.andrews?ref=profile

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posted May 18, 2010 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"hahahaha jwop - you're so ignorant!!"

Thank you koi, the honor is all mine.

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If there are less teachers and kids aren't educated, they are easier to lead, which is exactly what the fascist right wants. Education would not be a priority for conservatives.

And who says that America is a center-right country?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ideologies_in_the_United_States Hmm.. seems to me that most are left-leaning.

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You are making a gross error in thinking "kids are being educated" in today's public schools.

Now, if you would like to change "educated" to "indoctrinated" and "propagandized"...then, I would agree with you.

Education is a conservative priority. That's the reason conservatives keep pushing for a school voucher system where inner city minority students can get out of the failed inner city schools and get a private education...just like the children of congressional members, Algore, Kommander Korruption and O'Bomber The Great. But...

it's the racist leftists who screech, howl and shriek over school vouchers because...they want those minority students kept on the demoscat plantation so they can be held back from getting ahead, treated like mushrooms and....fed a steady diet of horseshiiiit while they're kept in the dark.

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once again, how much "education" a child gets in ANY school is as much down to their parents as it is to the school. some will do well ANYWHERE, others will be sucked into the machine. AND individual teachers make huge differences too.

i have seen this play out with my own child who was a "star" in grade school, then went through a period of resisting learning ANYTHING in two different school systems - i could have left her in the system she was rebelling against but i chose to put her with a teacher who had some reinforcement skills and the result was magic.

paying attention to your kids and what is going on for them at school is the bottom line...and lots of parents just assume the school is responsible for it all. taint so!

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posted May 19, 2010 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Btw, an interesting irony IMO is many European schools, considered socialists by many on the right here in the USA, allow parents to choose their school, thus allowing competition (which vouchers would do in the USA). The kids there actually graduate ready for college, too, and are amazed at how ignorant high school graduates in the USA are (whose parents currently can't choose schools in most places save by moving, or if they go private they're still forced to fund failing schools who have no incentive to improve as a result).

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posted May 19, 2010 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
As for do I have Facebook, no I don't, or any other network site like it. Given the privacy issues, security risks, endless spam & chain letters, and other problems I'm not interested in signing up either. But thanks for thinking of me.

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posted May 19, 2010 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
In inner city public schools if students actually get an education it's not because of their teachers, administrators, principals or school boards..it's in spite of them.

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