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Dervish
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posted May 16, 2010 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
I suppose I should've seen it with his inauguration speech, which was almost the same as W's before him (the one difference about volunteers being a repeat of what W's father said about a "thousand points of light"), and having Pastor Rick Warren speak and give the invocation at his inauguration (but then even in his own autobiography he says he also opposed gay equality on Christian grounds, too). Heck, even the Daily Show picked up on it:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-20-2009/changefest--09---obama-s- inaugural-speech

(Seriously, some good points there of "meet new boss, same as old boss.")

Since then among his first broken promises was appointing lobbyists to his cabinet, including a Raytheon lobbyist in charge of the friggin Pentagon! He has also made similar noise to Iran as Bush did Iraq, though so far he hasn't actually acted on it yet (may be a budget problem, or the elites may have decided Bush from 2006 on is best, which is how Obama strikes me).

Then he undid "Guns for everyone" Ronald Reagan's ban against carrying weapons into the national parks as well as ignore trying to redo the AWB (Assault Weapon Ban) with the Democrat majority. Like Reagan and Bush he delegated authority to czars, and has continued to vote support (breaking yet another promise) for wireless wiretaps and the Patriot Acts. Even for what little has been done to change prison camps has more to do with transferring the prisoners to other countries who use far worse torture while giving the US plausible deniability in doing so.

He has also nominated Kagan for the SCOTUS, who is a known opponent of free speech (but as the ACLU has long been opposed to Obama, that shouldn't cost him).

Even Obamacare is a revival of conservative plans to create an alternative of "responsibility" over "HillaryCare." Furthermore, the requirement to buy health care or suffer tax penalties and fines was first part of Mitt Romney's health care bill in MA, too, and liberals thought it heartless then (until Obama took it up and made it nationwide).

Finally, even Obamacare has become a godsend to abortion foes:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/16/AR2010051600839.html

So what does it mean?

It means conservatives have finally found a way to push their agenda that receives the least resistance. I suspect much of the passionate disagreement by conservatives themselves have more to do with fostering the illusion that this is all liberal so that liberals keep supporting Obama as he continues to take the conservative agenda further than it has ever been taken before. It also makes many conservatives fight harder as they're operating under the belief that they're on the defensive while getting liberals to lower their guard as "Obama and the Democrats will stop them."

It's diabolically brilliant.

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Dervish
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posted May 16, 2010 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, that all said, am I serious?

Yes & No.

Having seen so much hysteria against this man as well as others treating him like the 2nd coming, and throwing in the much less plausible conspiracy theories of him being with the likes of Al-Qaeda and the like, I just felt like throwing this one in for fun.

But having said that, it does strike me as plausible (if not likely) that Obama is indeed a conservative Trojan.

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katatonic
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posted May 16, 2010 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well one thing for sure he is not karl marx. the heavy-duty left hate him almost as much as jwhop does!!

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posted May 16, 2010 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
Conservative Trojan, I like that phrase.

It would also make a fine photoshopp moment for my whacked out sense of humor. Only these Trojans would be for those who bend with the natural curves of the emotionally erect.

ehem

I've mentioned here before about a label that fits [for me] motr O man is a throwback. He is an old style, historically correct conservative. The further the right goes into radical land the more this rings [for me] He would have fit right into the party 100 years ago. The biggest difference being he has a social conscience....I really believe that. There has been a whole lot of change when you look at it on paper.....just not prioritized that well, nor his cabinet all that great.

Still, that learning curve of his is massive. The 4th and 7th years might be the best.

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posted May 16, 2010 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
The SC appointment chance he has now is really critical.
I know, that's the elephant in the doughnut shoppe.

I truly believe that Stevens waited for HCR to pass before announcing his retirement.

The thing is Obama knew in Jan 09 that he would have 2 appointments on his plate. That was no big secret.

That Obama publicly criticized the Court for the decision in favor of corporations as people....
was that a Frisbee throw? or a cunning Saber toss?

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*edit I just clicked on the other link, the womens reproductive one. Noting the source and their penchant for slanting the "news" I did a quick google hunt. There are pages and pages of the very headline you posted everywhere -it has gone viral. Why? because it has the word Abortion in the title.

Here is a slightly different take.

quote:
An early sign of health care reform's impact is Planned Parenthood's decision to open a new Oakland County clinic within the next 18 months, adding to 15 locations, including Detroit, Warren and Livonia. Unlike other Detroit area centers, the new location is *likely* ((my emphasis)) to include abortion services.

[Planned Parenthood President Cecile] Richards and Lori Lamerand, executive director of Planned Parenthood of Mid and South Michigan, are ramping up for a boom in birth control and other reproductive services -- what Lamerand calls "an onslaught" of women poised to gain new access to reproductive health care.

Make no mistake: "other reproductive services" is always an umbrella euphemism that includes at its core abortion.

I don't know how the situation could be any more clear: Planned Parenthood is now getting new customers (including new abortion customers) because Congress passed health care legislation.


in full->click


I just want to say that Planned Parenthood for all it's so called evils is not just about terminating a pregnancy.
There is so little honest face to face discourse about sex and the repercussions of ignorance. Kids are given such a head dance, I could write a real book about that here...but will save it for another day just wanted to add another side.

The crux is that most women are pro choice, and the last I checked outnumber men.

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posted May 17, 2010 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
I was reading an article about the Gulf of Mexico becoming a dead zone....and according to many accounts, and the oxygen levels, that may not be an exaggeration.

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The Centre for Biological Diversity says that more than 300 drilling operations have been given the go-ahead since Obama took office in January 2009 without obtaining proper permits relating to protection of whales and other marine mammals


Ed Pilkington/Guardian

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amowls*
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posted May 19, 2010 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
He is such a disappointment I don't even know what to think.

I hope he grows some balls and stops trying to appeal to conservatives. They will hate him no matter what he does, even if he promotes their own policies, they are that stupid (or like you said, brilliant).

And I will always support Planned Parenthood. Without them, I might've gotten pregnant at 16. My mother wouldn't let me be on the pill, so I went behind her back to Planned Parenthood and got it myself. It allowed me to make my own choices about my own body, something that conservatives don't give a sh*t about. All they care about is their "god" and keeping women, espcially minority women, down by limiting their access to and knowledge of family planning services.

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posted May 19, 2010 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
yes the emphasis on the abortion side of planned parenthood is criminal in that it aims to subvert the real intention - PLANNING not FIXING...

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Glaucus
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posted May 19, 2010 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I am glad that my mom got pregnant with me at 16. hehehehehe

aside from that

If Obama's agenda is conservative, then why do a lot of conservatives think that he is a far left Marxist socialist.


I think that he's running the govt as a moderate/centrist.


I think that he is in a

damned if he does
damned if he doesn't situation

Whatever he does, it seems that we won't be able to please the right or the left. He has been trying to be a bridge between the right and left, promote bipartisanship.


He not only has Sun square Neptune, but he has Sun conjunct Heliocentric North Neptune Node in Aquarius. (same as Earth conjunct Heliocentric South Neptune Node in Leo). That indicate how he is so very hard to pinned down. It can indicate the possibility of inspiration,compassion, but also deception,confusion. It can be linked to father. There is myths about him connected to his father's background.

He has Sun trine/contraparallel Eris. There is the theme of diversity,equality, but also discord and controversy.

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Raymond

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Glaucus
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posted May 19, 2010 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Even Obamacare is a revival of conservative plans to create an alternative of "responsibility" over "HillaryCare." Furthermore, the requirement to buy health care or suffer tax penalties and fines was first part of Mitt Romney's health care bill in MA, too, and liberals thought it heartless then (until Obama took it up and made it nationwide). "


Didn't Hillary wanted to do the same type of health care plan, but Obama disagreed except for requiring that all children be covered.

People from Hillary's staff joined Obama too,and that could have influenced his decision.

futhermore, he had to deal with conservative democrats who thought his plan could cover abortion.
not all democrats agree on things.

also Joe Lieberman was a factor in the health care plan changing

President Obama can only do what congress lets him. He can't just do what he wants. He doesn't have absolute power. He is definitely not a fascist which I think some people confuse with socialist.

It is so important to have a Democratic majority in congress. If there is a Republican majority in congress, his agenda will be very limited


damn.....there is a lot of paranoia about him being a muslim,Anti-Christ,anti-white,a far left Marxist socialist.

Sarah Palin has been saying that Obama will take everybody's guns too.


Many conservatives complain about Obama's spending.


If he and Michelle Obama speaks to a predominantly black college or support a black country like Haiti, they get criticized by many conservatives for only caring about their own.


He tries to give a good American image to the Muslim world, and many conservatives are complaining about he is making friends with terrorists, being too apologetic to muslims,and that all he is talking about


Many people think that he is not even an American citizen and that he was born in Kenya. There are even people that speculate his father was mainly an Arab.

On the other hand, there are people think that he's racist against white people because of his membership in a church ran by Reverend Jeremiah Wright who has used incendiary words during sermons which get him labeled Anti-American and racist. This dude served in the navy and marines during the days.

my exgirlfriend who is liberal was concerned about Obama. She told me that he can't run the country because he is too biased. She said how UnAmerican he has been including not saluting the flag during the pledge of allegiance (and that was actually the national anthem). It was like that she thought Obama would only favor black people and give a lot to black people.


Black politicians have been accusing Barack Obama of not doing anything for the black community.


many blacks have more optimism about the future since Obama got president. They think that now we have a president that is part black elected, the sky is the limit for them. But there are some whites that are saying "that's because they think that they are going to get handouts"


so if he runs as a liberal, the paranoia would greatly increase among the conservatives.


There are people that think that they need to get their country taken back so they can have real American president that has real American values.


When I read yahoo boards when it comes to politics, it really ****** me off. There is so much racial prejudice that I want to cuss people out on there. There is serious ugliness. I do leave some responses.


President Barack Obama has has been between a rock and hard place.


sometimes, I feel that maybe we were much better off with another president. Maybe it was too soon to have president that isn't all white. Maybe things would been much better off in 2050 or later for that to happen. Maybe things would be different with Hillary. Maybe we could have had Giulani who has some liberal views even though he is a Republican. Maybe Al Gore would have been better one.

I don't know.

there is so much discord here in USA
reflected by its almost exact Sun-Eris opposition in Right Ascension chart.


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Raymond

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Dervish
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posted May 19, 2010 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message
Just for the record, I consider Obama a moderate centrist as well.

And the hysteria and worship of him, both lovers and haters thinking he's some kind of radical, is what inspired me to post this. But then there have been experiments that show the brain doesn't use the parts of the brain for reason when thinking about politics, at least not those who get too passionate about it.

I don't even go to the range much anymore because it's just so depressing, and when I point out what Obama has actually done for the 2A (not that I'd claim he should be the poster boy for the NRA, just the guy shows himself being a moderate and even as a centrist he could be much worse than he is) some of the reactions get downright scary, and a few even remind me why I like to be armed myself because they're so scary.

If Obama does come after our guns, I bet it will be a self-fulfilling promise by a lot of gun rights people freaking out over him who push him to it. And I have noticed he's gotten a lot of flak for sticking up for the 2A (even if only peripherally and in small ways and mostly by not pursuing the return of the AWB) while getting no thanks and even belligerence from those of us who don't even have the decency to say "thank you" for that (so he's actually being pressured to do what people who value the 2A don't want him to do and it's their own fault).

I USED to think Obama was bad for the 2A myself, but watching him I have to agree that he actually was telling the truth when he said he wasn't going to come after our guns. Now if many people proudly packing while carrying signs promoting insurrection and "watering the tree of liberty" would at least show they can be appreciative (remaining suspicious is ok, just show appreciation at least!) instead of acting like he's sending his private goons door to door already...

And as far as I'm concerned, Obama is pretty much a continuation of Bush from 2006 on (where Bush became a lot more centrist himself). Heck, even Bush expanded health care for seniors while he was in office.

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