posted October 11, 2010 11:24 PM         

Demoscats have so revolted the voting public with their Marxist Socialist Progressive agenda that demoscats have had to resort to attacking everything in sight...hoping upon hope that voters will forget all about the bribes, unconstitutional bills they've passed and the generally revolting O'Bomber agenda they rammed through congress over the wishes of the American public.

So, now demoscats are attacking the US Chamber of Commerce.

After everything else they've tried failed, this really is the "best they can do".

Demoscats sure can't run on their records in Congress. No accomplishments there. So, they're running away from their records and running pell mell away from Barack Hussein O'Bomber.

Schieffer on Axelrod’s Chamber Attacks: Is that the best you can do?

A weekend report by the New York Times undercut the White House’s recent attacks on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which charged the chamber with influencing American elections with gobs of foreign money. “There is little evidence that what the chamber does in collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, according to both liberal and conservative election

By Sunday, the president was backing off the charge, and David Axelrod was asked about it by a skeptical Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation.”

“They do spend heavily on politics,” Schieffer said of the chamber. “But this part about foreign money. That appears to be peanuts, Mr. Axelrod. I mean, do you have any evidence that it’s anything other than peanuts?”

Axelrod was defiant, suggesting the chamber is lying and the New York Times report was inaccurate.

“Well, do you have any evidence that it’s not, Bob? The fact is that the chamber has asserted that, but they won’t release any information about where their campaign money is coming from, and that’s the core of the problem, here,” Axelrod said.

Schieffer closed with a devastating question for the Democratic strategy guru.

“I guess I would put it this way. If the only charge Democrats can make three weeks into the election is that somehow this may or may not be foreign money coming into the campaign, is that the best you can do?”

posted October 12, 2010 09:55 AM         

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So, demoscats are desperately casting around for an issue to get the publics minds off demoscat incompetence during this congress

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Hum mm, actually they have been doing some PR work about their successes. Democrats have always had a problem with tooting the horn. Getting HR 3590 and 4872 done was something many administrations have tried to do.
Admittedly I didn't read your article, the first line was enough. [usually is]

Though the financial reform and Health reform bills would have been stronger without the bull nose elephant obstructionism.

There were and are head banging instances like the legislation for 9-11 1st responders.... heard it is coming back to the floor, anyway, successfully this time, one woould hope.

But over all it is the OBSTRUCTIONISTS of the party of no which was very well highlighted in my thread here->Holding the Senate Hostage that add much needed context.

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Wes Rackley documents that while only 3 Bush nominees have been held up more than 3 months during his first year, 63 Obama nominees have been subjected to delay tactics, leaving important posts unfilled.

Conservatives from both parties, but mostly the Republicans have held up health care reform for almost a year. There was even a manual on procedural ways to obstruct reform written by Sen. Judd Gregg, (R-NH) leaked.

The Republican Party has been doing everything in their power to obstruct progress, delay reform, and poison the well for the last year. This record number of votes invoking cloture to end a the record number of filibusters is just the latest incarnation of this.

• Republicans blocked a defense bill that included the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" as well as the Pentagon-sponsored DREAM Act, which would have offered fast-track citizenship to illegals who volunteer and serve. The bill never even came to the floor for debate, the first defense bill to be blocked since 1952.
• Similarly, the renewal of a bill that funds almost a quarter of a million jobs through the stimulus plan was blocked for a third time, despite Dems working for renewal since early spring.
• Even the new iteration of START, the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty beloved of GOP hero, Ronnie Reagan, has met an inflexible GOP block.

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posted October 12, 2010 10:23 AM         

There's no way to put a happy face on demoscats chances of reelection. Every time O'Bomber touts his accomplishments the American voting public want to throw up. So, instead of throwing up, the voting public plans include throwing the bums out who enabled O'Bomber's agenda.

They really are down to bashing the US Chamber of Commerce... and without a shred of proof any foreign funds were used to pay for political ads.

posted October 12, 2010 11:03 AM         

President Obama on Monday dropped any mention of the charge he hurled days earlier at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, that the business industry group was using foreign money to finance election year TV ads.

However, Vice President Joe Biden and the Democratic National Committee kept up the attacks, in what appeared to be an attempt to distance the president himself from the mudslinging while keeping the issue in the news, despite its crumbling credibility as an accusation.

In remarks at two separate Miami fundraisers Monday night, Obama made no reference to the explosive charge, which has largely dominated the political debate since a liberal blog first raised the issue last Tuesday.

The president’s backpedaling came as three more outlets — the Associated Press, ABC News and FactCheck.org — all published reports dismissing the accusation. That follows a report by the New York Times on Saturday that said there was “little evidence” the Chamber was engaged in unusual or improper conduct.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/11/obama-drops-foreign-money-charge-from-fundraiser-remarks-but-biden-and-dnc-continue-attack/

posted October 13, 2010 12:31 AM         

What makes these claims so ironic is that Barack Obama was the champion of foreign cash contributions being used to get him elected.***Note...and O'Bomber refused to disclose the names of those contributors to his campaign***

And the facts, as laid out by FactCheck.org, are simple; the Democrats have no evidence whatsoever that their scurrilous charges are based on anything except dubious speculation.

It's certainly true that millions are being spent without public disclosure, and that much of the money is coming from corporations taking advantage of a Supreme Court ruling easing restrictions on political spending. But using foreign funds to finance political ads is still a legal violation. Accusing anybody of violating the law is a serious matter requiring serious evidence to back it up. So far Democrats have produced none.

Glenn Reynolds:

I'D LIKE TO MILDLY DISAGREE WITH THIS WASHINGTON EXAMINER EDITORIAL: The bogus - and deeply hypocritical - foreign-money claims coming from the White House and the Democratic apparat aren't about campaigning. They're about constructing a narrative of defeat for their base, so that when they get clobbered in November they can blame it on scheming billionaires and evil foreigners instead of admitting that they elected an empty suit, and proceeded to push a wildly unpopular program over the clearly stated objections of a large majority of American voters. If their base faced up to their ineptitude, it would go off and start a new party, and then they'd need to get a real job. Better by far to retreat into conspiracy theory than to go back to Pocatello.

They certainly aren't getting any traction from the charges so Glenn's analysis rings true. How long they can continue this smokescreen will depend on the patience of the press. And considering that many major media outlets have cried "Foul" on the Dems on this one, I expect the attack to peter out shortly.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/fact_checking_dem_claims_of_fo.html

posted October 13, 2010 09:49 AM         

What's more, the USCoC did NOT ever say, "Come look at our accounting procedures.". Nor did it make the claim that it had enough money from American sources to cover the ad campaign. These are simple common sense things that an innocent party would say if they were concerned about allegation of impropriety.

posted October 13, 2010 10:16 AM         

Even your most favorite "fact checker" disagrees with your position...and O'Bomber's. Even your most favorite so called news sources disagree with your position...and O'Bomber's.

Simple fairness...which Americans embrace...except for the screwed up ones...demands that those making accusations back those accusations up with FACTS...or shut the hell up.

So acoustic, far from showing you are right, you instead showed the shallowness of your thinking processes...if what you do could be called "thinking".

To show the hypocrisy of the screwed up ones, one only need remember the refusal of the O'Bomber campaign to disclose the donor lists to the O'Bomber campaign.

To show the hypocrisy of the screwed up ones, one only need remember the refusal of White House Spokesman..."Baghdad Bob" Gibbs own group to disclose the donors to Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values which ran attack ads against Howard Dean.

Among the screwed up ones, hypocrisy abounds...indeed, hypocrisy is the norm.

All this hypocrisy because demoscats have nothing to run on in November. Having enraged American voters, all demoscats can do is make phony hypocritical accusations.

Not anything upon which demoscats should be reelected.

‘Spirit of Political Disclosure’? White House Press Sec once part of group that refused to disclose donors
By Chris Moody - The Daily Caller | Published: 4:53 PM 10/12/2010 | Updated: 2:32 AM 10/13/201

The White House plans to continue attacking groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other conservative organizations for not disclosing the names of donors behind political ads. But during the 2004 Democratic primary campaign, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was involved with a political advocacy group that refused to reveal its own donors until the law required it.

During a press conference Tuesday, Gibbs scolded groups that would not disclose, and has said that Americans have a right to know who is behind “largely negative campaign attack ads.”

“Simply tell us who you are,” Gibbs said.

In a speech last week in Maryland, President Obama even called the practice “a threat to our democracy.”

“The American people deserve to know who’s trying to sway their elections,” Obama said.

Under campaign finance law, the Chamber is not required to release the names of its donors. When pressed by reporters as to why groups not mandated by law should disclose their donors, Gibbs said they should do it in “the spirit of political disclosure.”

During the 2003-2004 presidential primary season, however, Gibbs worked as the spokesman for a liberal advocacy group that ran attack ads against then-Democratic candidate Howard Dean. The “secretive” group, called Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values, spent months organizing scathing ads without disclosing who was paying for them.

One particularly damaging TV spot that aired in December 2003 showed a photograph of Osama Bin Laden while an ominous voice declared, “Americans want a president that can face the dangers ahead. But Howard Dean has no military or foreign policy experience. And Howard Dean just cannot compete with George Bush on foreign policy. It’s time for Democrats to think about that. And think about it now.” The ad, part of a series of anti-Dean spots, crippled the Dean campaign.

The Dean camp was furious, and called on the group to disclose who had funded the ad.

“Whoever is behind this should crawl out from underneath their rock and have the courage to say who they are,” Former Dean Spokesman Tricia Enright told The New York Times at the time. “It is hateful, it’s cynical, it’s exactly the kind of ad that keeps people from voting, that keeps people from getting involved in the process.”

The organization’s Treasurer, David Jones, refused.

“We will disclose donors when the law requires,” Jones was quoted as saying in The New York Times.

By law, organizations listed under the 527 tax code only have to reveal their donors once a quarter. Given the timing of the ad, Gibbs’ group knew they could withhold the names until after the January 2004 Iowa caucuses, which were about a month away from the time the Osama bin Laden spot hit the airways.

The plan worked. Dean came in third place in the Democratic Iowa caucuses, and after delivering his infamous “scream” speech in Des Moines, the campaign was widely regarded as dead in the water. Dean dropped out of the race a few weeks later, and the group was largely credited for the defeat.

Despite calls for the organization to disclose its funding base before the election, Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values kept its word and only made the information public once it was required by law in February 2004.

Gibbs did not immediately return a request for comment.

posted October 13, 2010 10:43 AM         

There is no court here, and I'm confident that were most Americans in on the loop on this issue, they'd agree with the call for investigation. Using foreign money to influence an election is pretty serious business, and the USCoC hasn't done an adequate job of defending itself. If there was something you could post to negate this opinion, you'd have done it. You've posted no such thing. You've posted editorials that try to spin the information. Everyone here, with the exception of yourself, sees right through the spin. The only relevant facts are those that I've presented. End of story.

posted October 13, 2010 11:56 AM         

You haven't posted any "undeniable facts" here acoustic.

What you've posted is rumor/supposition/innuendo written by a leftist moron on a leftist blog which was picked up by the White House because demoscats have nothing to take back home to voters that they can run their campaigns on.

Have you no shame?

posted October 13, 2010 12:31 PM         

If you're going to make the claim that I haven't posted any undeniable facts, one would assume you'd show which of them were deniable. You haven't.

No, I wouldn't have any shame over anything I've said here. The mere suggestion is ludicrous.

posted October 13, 2010 12:55 PM         

Fire/Water (Sun in fire + Ascendant in water, or Sun in water + Ascendant in fire)
Emotions are intense and unpredictable for people with this combination. The "hot and cold" image result in moods that tend to vacillate between on the one hand optimism and confidence and on the other introversion and elusiveness. Indeed, they would probably admit to being quite irrational at times. At best, this combination gives intuitive creativity and empathy underscored by initiative and determination. If they can balance their explosive side with the cooling, deeply reflective influence of the water element, these people will be appreciated for their honest and colorful personality. They need restraint and borders more than anything, and some of that good old commonsense thinking.

posted October 13, 2010 05:35 PM         

innuendo: that foreign interests would love to see republicans and tea baggers in washington (now why on earth would they want that? especially since they all supposedly want us to be a socialist gulag..?)

FACT: the PAC fund of the chamber of commerce has less than a million dollars in it and the chamber has paid for MANY MILLIONS worth of advertisments for said tea baggers and repubs...

innuendo: the chamber of commerce is laundering foreign funds and using them to provide themselves with the most corporate friendly candidates (or the most easily bought)...mafiosi, scientologists, possible nazi sympathizers, businesswomen who think it's okay for their staff to be illegal until it becomes public, and okay to bribe the police force for endorsement! (and okay for their staff to call congress wh0res but not for others to call her one).. and liars who don't know the difference between a new jersey junior college and oxford university.

posted October 13, 2010 10:39 PM         

That leftist moron blogger is hooked up with radicals at Think Progress/Center for American Progress....the George Soros group which is running the White House.

In total, a bunch of empty suits calling the shots for empty suit Barack Hussein O'Bomber.

No need to answer that question..."have you no shame".

posted October 14, 2010 08:25 AM         

The Chamber of Commerce has done nothing wrong; they've broken no laws, campaign or otherwise.

Even your leftist news sources and fact checkers agree with me and with the US Chamber of Commerce that they've done nothing wrong in refusing to release the names of their donors so they can be harassed by leftist goons.

You look utterly foolish for insisting the Chamber of Commerce is doing something wrong by not releasing their lists of donors BUT, you look like a tin plated HYPOCRITE for insisting the Chamber do what demoscat groups wouldn't do and didn't do.

Unless of course acoustic...YOU were wheezing, whining, screeching, screaming and shrieking when those leftist 524 chartered groups...and the O'Bomber campaign refused to release the names of their donors.

Now acoustic, I don't recall a single wheeze, whine, screech, scream or shriek out of you...and the topic of foreign contributions was covered here during the O'Bomber campaign...leaving only one conclusion regarding your HYPOCRISY.

posted October 14, 2010 08:55 AM         

When O'Bomber attacked Limbaugh...his audience share went UP.

When O'Bomber attacked Hannity...his audience share went UP.

When O'Bomber attacked Fox New...their ratings went UP.

Now, O'Bomber is attacking Rove and his group Crossroads GPS and....their donations to fund their campaign ads are UP. UP $13,000,000 for the November elections.

No wonder Bob Scheiffer/CBS News asked David Axelrod on "Face the Nation"...."IS THIS THE BEST YOU CAN DO?

Rove-backed group raised $13M since attacks from Obama
By Michael O'Brien - 10/13/10 10:02 AM ET

The GOP-aligned American Crossroads said Wednesday it has raised over $13 million since coming under attack from President Obama.

The group and its campaign affiliate, Crossroads GPS, said it had easily surpassed its initial fundraising goal of $50 million to spend on behalf of Republicans, and has increased its target to $65 million, according to spokesman Jonathan Collegio.

The boffo numbers come after a week in which Obama led Democrats in attacks on the group, which is affiliated with GOP strategists Ed Gillespie and Karl Rove. Both are veterans of President George W. Bush's White House.

Obama accused American Crossroads and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of possibly receiving money from foreign donors and corporations to fund their electoral activities, a charge the groups deny.

The administration has shown no sign of relenting in their attacks toward the groups, which could have a major impact in the final weeks before Nov. 2, when voters head to the polls in crucial midterm elections.

Collegio said the attacks had only driven interest in the group's activities, and that the increased fundraising would allow Crossroads to spend an additional $10 million in House races, and $5 million more in Senate races.

The Chamber, also in light of Democratic attacks, vowed only to "ramp up" its political activities in the closing weeks of the campaign.

The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday detailed how Crossroads, combined with other allied groups, would be able to spend $50 million on ads in the closing weeks of the campaign to deliver the House to Republicans.

posted October 14, 2010 11:01 AM         

You say the USCoC hasn't done anything wrong, but the truth is that you have no idea whether they did or did not. You have no insider information about them.

My fact checkers don't agree with you. I posted the article. You won't find a word of support for your position within it.

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You look utterly foolish for insisting the Chamber of Commerce is doing something wrong by not releasing their lists of donors BUT, you look like a tin plated HYPOCRITE for insisting the Chamber do what demoscat groups wouldn't do and didn't do.

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First off, this issue isn't about releasing a list of donors. It's about whether the foreign money collected is making it into the USCoC's political campaign.

Secondly, I've never condoned foreign money being used in politics, so the claim of hypocrisy is empty. Plainly.

posted October 14, 2010 11:07 AM         

So acoustic...show me what you've got..or, continue to look like a tin plated hypocrite.

In the meantime, I applaud the efforts of Barack Hussein O'Bomber and the rest of the leftist crew to attack the Chamber of Commerce.

Donations for their fall ad campaign are UP so keep up the good work leftists.

What Fact Check really said...:

Foreign Money? Really?
Democrats peddle an unproven claim.
October 11, 2010
Updated: October 12, 2010

Summary
Democrats, from President Barack Obama on down, are trying to turn an evidence-free allegation into a major campaign theme, claiming that foreign corporations are "stealing our democracy" with secret, illegal contributions funneled through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. It’s a claim with little basis in fact.

Now others have challenged the claim. The New York Times reported:

"New York Times, Oct. 8: [T]here is little evidence that what the chamber does in collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, according to both liberal and conservative election-law lawyers and campaign finance documents.

In fact, the controversy over the Chamber of Commerce financing may say more about the Washington spin cycle — where an Internet blog posting can be quickly picked up by like-minded groups and become political fodder for the president himself — than it does about the vagaries of campaign
finance."

Guilty Until Proven Innocent

Nevertheless, some Democrats are taking the position that the Chamber of Commerce is guilty of using foreign contributions until proven innocent. MoveOn.org is using this claim in a fundraising appeal, both in e-mail messages and on its website:

posted October 14, 2010 11:49 AM         

the link is to a rundown of the chamber's PAC funds, which supposedly paid for MILLIONS of dollars' worth of ads...unfortunately there isn't anywhere near ONE million there, so where ARE the monies for these ads coming from?

my third grade grandson would have no problem seeing that there is not enough money in this fund to cover that kind of spending...

posted October 14, 2010 02:44 PM         

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So acoustic...show me what you've got..or, continue to look like a tin plated hypocrite.

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I'm not the one pretending to have something here. You are. You're claiming innocence when you don't have any basis for such a claim. I don't know how I can be any clearer on this.

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It’s a claim with little basis in fact.

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Factcheck.org cannot make this assertion if it hasn't seen the USCoC's accounting method, can it? Like you, it wouldn't know whether it's based in fact or speculation.

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"New York Times, Oct. 8: [T]here is little evidence that what the chamber does in collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, according to both liberal and conservative election-law lawyers and campaign finance documents.

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Not at issue. The issue isn't whether there's anything illegal in it's collection of foreign funds.

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"Accusing anybody of violating the law is a serious matter requiring serious evidence to back it up. So far Democrats have produced none."

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