posted March 19, 2011 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
amazing how fast the threat of fallout and the plight of japan fade into the distance...

i saw a news story today that said "tourism takes big hit in japan"...d'uh...

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Haha. I hate the media in the states. It is so shallow and so staged. I've had to hunt down so many foreign articles to even start to get a handle with what was going on with Japan.

Literally, have now been sick with a cold for 2 days, probably from stress over the Japan catastrophe. And, now, off to Libya.

posted March 20, 2011 12:15 PM            

But I do know that there isn`t a conspiracy theory behind every move a Country makes. To get lost in a theory is blinding .

Sometimes, just sometimes, it just is.

War is always ugly and heartbreaking as there are people behind the bullets. On all sides.

I prefer to simply pray for ALL countries guidence from a greater Source than than divide by projecting.

Just my 2 cents and not the Reality behind the matters of the world or your insights .

posted March 20, 2011 12:25 PM            

From which alternate universe did this comment originate?

Israel has an ELECTED government in which Arab citizens vote.

posted March 20, 2011 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
Juniperb,

I am most definitely NOT the only person with these thoughts and they are not defined as conspiracys by everyone. Particularly for people experiencing war in their country.
You are right...war is horrible for everyone! It is and should be a last resort. I am not projecting either...Is this not a thread for discussion?

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It is a place for discussion and all is valued. I also appreciate the fact you are not alone in your beliefs.

By the same token, my sharing is my value. It is not right or wrong, just an expression of how I feel about it too. I suspect a few others share my belief as well

I apologise to any offended by the use of the word projecting.

posted March 20, 2011 03:04 PM            

The government of Israel has changed leadership many times since 1948...both in their Parliaments and their Prime Ministers. In every case, they were elected to their offices. No tyranny there.

Besides which, your comment is...that "Israel is a dictator".

No dictator there but rather a Parliamentary Democracy where all citizens of Israel are free to vote...including Arab citizens of Israel.

"How is anything that I have written here related to anti-semitism?"...Quinnie

The spreading of false, malicious and inflammatory statements aimed at one race of people who happen to be Semitic is anti-semitism in action.

posted March 20, 2011 06:14 PM            

Your comments about Israel are so lopsided and unbalanced that they cannot be taken with a proverbial "grain of salt". A whole salt mine wouldn't cover your comments.

To this point, you have utterly failed to cite any reason for anyone to conclude Israel is either a dictator or tyrant.

When you talk about Israel...a secular Parliamentary Democracy, YOU ARE talking about a Semitic Jewish nation and the people of that Jewish nation who chose their elected leaders.

The nation of Israel did not come into being in a vacuum. Israel was created as a permanent homeland for the Jewish people.

posted March 20, 2011 10:37 PM            

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Your sympathy for Palestinians must be overflowing after reports of these murders.

Horror in Samaria: Terrorist murders family of 5
3/12/11
Terrorist stabs five family members to death in settlement of Itamar early Saturday; three children, including baby girl, among victims. Paramedic describes horrific sight, toys next to pools of blood

Horror in Samaria:

A terrorist infiltrated the West Bank settlement of Itamar, southeast of Nablus, early Saturday and stabbed five family members to death.

The shocking attack occurred around 1 am as the terrorist entered the family home and murdered three children aged 11, 3, and a baby girl along with their parents. The victims were apparently sleeping as the killer came in.

Itamar residents reported that shots were heard in the area; the terrorist managed to flee the scene.

Three other children at the home, a 12-year-old girl and her two brothers, aged 6 and 2, were able to escape to a nearby house and inform their neighbors of the attack.

posted March 21, 2011 07:42 AM            

Practicing Jews live in many countries and condemning their faith or religious practices, now that is Anti-Semitism.

Mixing criticism of the State of Israel or an Israeli Citizen as Anti-Semitism is pure ignorance.

Take the case of Ami Popper. He shot dead 7 innocent Palestinians in 1990. This is no different than the murder of innocent Israelis mentioned given above. Due process of law was followed, and he will be out on parole after serving his sentence.

A criminal is a criminal irrespective of nationality, religion or race.

Should we lose sympathy for Hitler's Jewish Genocide Victims because of Ami Popper being a Jew? Should we lose sympathy for the Israeli athletes killed in Munich because of Ami Popper being an Israeli? If not, then why should anyone lose sympathy for millions of Palestinians suffering since 1967 because of the act of one murderer in 2011?

Will Palestine Haters stay in Gaza for one year, and then speak favorably for Israeli Government actions?

posted March 21, 2011 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Condemning Israel's mistakes is not Anti-Semitism. The elected Israeli government represents Israeli Citizens, not Jews. The Blockade of Gaza is a human rights violation, and the government of Israel is definitely guilty of human rights abuse in this case. This does not condone the recent horrific murders of the Israeli Citizens.
The Palestinian Government is fully cooperating with Israel to find those killers and has condemned those murders.

Practicing Jews live in many countries and condemning their faith or religious practices, now that is Anti-Semitism.

Mixing criticism of the State of Israel or an Israeli Citizen as Anti-Semitism is pure ignorance.

Take the case of Ami Popper. He shot dead 7 innocent Palestinians in 1990. This is no different than the murder of innocent Israelis mentioned given above. Due process of law was followed, and he will be out on parole after serving his sentence.

A criminal is a criminal irrespective of nationality, religion or race.

Should we lose sympathy for Hitler's Jewish Genocide Victims because of Ami Popper being a Jew? Should we lose sympathy for the Israeli athletes killed in Munich because of Ami Popper being an Israeli? If not, then why should anyone lose sympathy for millions of Palestinians suffering since 1967 because of the act of one murderer in 2011?

Will Palestine Haters stay in Gaza for one year, and then speak favorably for Israeli Government actions?

Do not forget the Law of Karma. It is catching up with Gaddaffi's brutal regime, it will catch up with Israeli Government too, they are wasting the good karma of 6 million Sacrificers.

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posted March 21, 2011 10:44 AM            

The Palestinians know who they're talking about when they talk about Israel. It's the Jews. Got it?

Here's part of the Hamas Charter.

Hamas Charter

"One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith:

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:"

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

Further, it's not Israel whom so called Palestinians talk about driving into the sea and killing. It's the Jews. Got it?

Every nation on earth is entitled to self defense. So is every single individual...unless of course you're an extremist Muslim or an enabler of Muslim terrorists talking about the Jews. Then, the Jews are not entitled to even defend their land or their lives.

To show the extremist hypocrisy, let's talk about the blockade of Gaza. It's said by extremists and their enablers that the blockade is a human rights violation. Pure undiluted codswallop.

The purpose of the blockade of Gaza is to prevent shipments of arms from reaching terrorists posing as ordinary citizens.

Extremists and their enablers never mention the blockades of France by the British in the 19th Century or the blockades set up in the 20th Century during both world wars or the blockade of Cuba to prevent nuclear weapons from reaching Cuba or the UN established blockade of Iraq or the blockade of Yugoslavia or the blockade of Sierra Leone or the blockade of Yemen by Saudi Arabia or the boarding of North Korean ships in international waters to prevent the insane madman Kim Jong Il from shipping nuclear weapons or nuclear materials to nations attempting to build nuclear weapons.

There, that's enough to show the absolute hypocrisy of Muslim extremists and their enablers...unless of course, these enablers of Muslim terrorism were screeching, howling and shrieking about those recent blockades.

But no, it's only the Jews who are guilty of human rights violations for attempting to prevent weapons from reaching Muslim terrorists in Gaza.

Oh, and it's never Muslim terrorists who fire unguided rockets and mortars into Israel to kill non-combatant Israeli civilians who are guilty. It's always the Jews who counter fire at the Muslim terrorists...then, it's the Jews who are guilty.

Again, the so called peaceful Palestinians know whom they are talking about when they say they're going to drive the Jews into the sea and kill them.

posted March 21, 2011 02:45 PM            

when the palestinians rale against israel they are NOT raling against my cousin marlene(who is jewish and lives in new york)!! she is antiwar no matter the provocation...

and quinnie is not talking about ME, since i am not in favour of invading other people's countries (and would have been well angered if the british, for instance, weighed in on the civil war) she is talking about the american govt and those who think we have that right...

being anti JEWISH is what is usually defined as antisemitic. it's a bit of a stretch when you REMEMBER the arabs are also semites and MANY jews are NOT AT ALL SEMITIC.

the israeli government may be a theocracy but that does not mean it stands for all jews - ONLY ISRAELI ONES, and not every israeli is jewish either, despite the national religion.

and unless you are jewish don't bother to argue. my father WAS jewish and hadn't a semitic cell in his body. and he detested the zionist movement and the FACT of israel despite sympathizing with a lot of disenfranchised jews (some among them his own family)...

do catholics have a country? do you think italy would let you become a citizen just because you were catholic? israel is NOT the homeland for most jews worldwide.

posted March 21, 2011 03:32 PM            

so having changed his foreign minister due to the revolutions in magrheb, I think sarkozy was very keen to show to the arab people that he was on the people's side, and not the "governing" classes.

in countries like tunisia, algeria, marocco, the population watch french tv. there is a lot of arabs from maghreb in france, and although sarkozy is right wing and talks a lot of imigration, arab threat and so on, france has a history with these regions. algeria was part of france until the 60', not just a colony, but a proper french territory, like brittany or paris, and unlike other african colonies.

so despite the "securitarian" sarkozy's government, he had to appear on the side of the population who was peacefully claiming its freedom, and because it had missed the boat wityh tunisia, and watch it unfold in egypt, it had to get seriously active for the following country in this situation. sarkozy act quickly because libya is geographically in between tunisia and egypt, a symbol, and the population in benghazy freed itself from kaddafi and was asking for help before to be crushed by him when he'd fight to get the territory back, which was about to happen when (kaddafi was marching on bengazy, and a day or two after the begining of the military operation started on friday 18, he would have taken bengazy back, and surely slaughtered the "rebels". sarkozy first, with great britain, tried to persuade EU countries, but germany kind of disagreed. what he did was he officially recognized the benghazy rebels as the new lybian "officials with whom france would deal. and asked the EU to do the same. then with UK, they went to the UN.

that is why france got involved.

I see were the "hidden" agenda can be seen, and just the name of the operation makes me wonder "dawn odyssey". do they mean odyssey of freedom of people... or odyssey of one world order?

but here I think france acted quickly for:

1-the internal mess made by the previous foreign minister regartding the tunisian's revolution
2-trying to be seen from the arab population struggling for freedom on their sides, and so recognizing bengazy's population, and before kaddaffi took revenge on them, france had to act.

having said that, the military operation is only by plane, and if kaddafi decides to invest every building, it will take a long time befor this mess is sorted.